Palmar's Purge: Crisis and Turmoil in Liquidia
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On August 16 2016 17:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ![]() I want to go there. Hey guys I just remembered I signed up so I'm currently reading the thread and I just want to say this is the best post I've seen so far. | ||
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On August 16 2016 18:01 Rels wrote: I'm pretty nice. I'm handsome actually. Not that it needed to be said. Do you have something to do with Pandora? | ||
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On August 16 2016 19:59 disformation wrote: So you are saying there is a hidden mastermind taking advantage of two ppl firing nukes in thread and neither oneg nor art are nuking Superbia? inb4 someone is kim sitting in north korea laughing his ass off. also agreeing a lot with koshi. This is a great post yo | ||
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On August 16 2016 21:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think prplhz is mafia. He is wordy. Normally he isn't wordy. That is the extent of my read. I was leaning scum on you but then you said this | ||
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On August 16 2016 22:58 kitaman27 wrote: Leaning scum on onegu, GB, sicklucker. Onegu claims he is fairly certain GB is scum and then nukes superbia out of the blue after people call him out for the chinese thing which makes him look really scummy. GB's only real post aside from his election talk is a self-defense post, which comes off bad. I seem to remember something similar with a mafia mayor election from him in a past game. I gotta double check the database though when I have a chance. SL seems like he was given the suggestion to lay low in a mafia qt or something. I think town SL would be way less concerned about playing careful or getting nuked. I didn't like that Vivax went out of his way to disagree with my voting plan when there really isn't a downside to the extra information, even if it doesn't pan out in the end. He never explained why it was too complex when asked. His most recent post about disfo just a couple minutes ago makes me like him slightly more, because I was thinking the exact same thing. Arta kinda rubs me the wrong way with his initial few posts so I'll bring him up for good measure. Kita is town. That makes me so happy :D | ||
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On August 17 2016 04:00 Skynx wrote: How is that a great post? If onegu is not the one nuking Super he should say right now lol... Onegu hadn't come back to the thread at this point so if he had come back and said he hadn't nuked this post made a good point that he might have been telling the truth. However he came back later and seemingly confirmed that he had nuked so it was irrelevant. | ||
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On August 17 2016 04:30 Skynx wrote: So you are going down the thread chronoligically and agreed with it at the time however no longer think it is a great post? Well it was a great post at the time but it's irrelevant now since onegu has confirmed his shot. I pointed the post out when I was reading through bc I assumed there was going to be an argument if onegu didn't claim the shot. | ||
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No my alignment is town, but one of my traits makes me immune to election. Actually after rereading my role PM and at the risk of blatant setup speculation I think there are up to three people who have a role similar to mine. | ||
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I haven't played in like 3 years but this kinda feels like his scum meta. | ||
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On August 17 2016 05:01 prplhz wrote: I'm just saying that it's crazy to ask someone with that power to claim. That's like on d1 in a normal game to say "We think this guy is town so medic has to save him tonight, if he doesn't then medic needs to claim". Ok I guess I understand that thinking but we've already established that roles don't have to be claimed/posted about in thread in order to be used. Nobody needs to claim in this scenario so they can keep themselves safe. | ||
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On August 17 2016 05:18 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah and I think it's a pretty good read, but I was wrong last time. Disform is actually like a crazy nervous mafia player judging from his mafia QT last game. Are you getting that vibe this game? | ||
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Interesting. I have never played with Disform but a couple of his posts earlier today came off as nervous to me. Nervousness isn't strictly a scum trait but now I'm wondering how you differentiate his play now from his play in the previous game? | ||
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On August 17 2016 05:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That is pretty much Onegu's mafia meta to a T though. He does random shit then tries to get away with it. This is the second post of yours I've really liked | ||
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An elaboration on GB, I find him claiming the same sort of vote manipulation power suspicious as fuck along with his whole "I picked chaos BS." Also he's been incredibly deceptive about what his roll does. I understand townies make mistakes but at some point "that's too stupid for scum" doesn't cut it as an excuse. | ||
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prplhz is still my strongest scum read, GB and fecalfeast are still up there as well. At this point everyone should reread the filters of the dead. Also Chez can you plz answer my question? | ||
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On August 19 2016 04:11 Skynx wrote: I had to shoot today or can't use my bullet at all. Shooting was obv choice but there wasn't a clear scum for me and i wasnt trusting my gut enough to shoot kita or hf or gb. When i was about to go sleep obv afkers at least mostly filled a 1 page filter. Other policy option was Superbia at 11 pages of filter. I couldn't convincr myself so i rolled the dice with no vetos, ready to kill myself if it came to that. Rels or Fefe could be a better shot yeah but its done now. This is such a Palmar role to create, designed to show idiot townies that they're bad by playing on their innate blood thirstiness. Everyone thinks they're fucking dirty harry when they're given KP. In a high kp game that Palmar has promised us this is, its obviously best to hold a shot D1 but rational thinking usually doesn't hold up when given a fleeting chance to use it. All of this is to say think I understand why Skynx shot even if it was a stupid play but I'm more inclined to say bad town than scum at this point. | ||
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On August 19 2016 07:24 Koshi wrote: It is actually funny how not having a pretty "democratic" system like a lynch makes you feel super powerless and annoyed. While a lynch is actually nothing more than casting 1 vote that does almost nothing on its own. Never thought of it that way but it is a strange feeling not having a lynch. It makes it so there's no way to put realistic pressure on people which is really frustrating. | ||
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On August 19 2016 07:28 prplhz wrote: Koshi is right, we need something to vote on that's more clear cut than elections for offices we don't know what even do. I have a nuke and will throw it at whoever gets the most votes. Vote in this thread as you'd normally vote. Don't change your vote too much because I don't wanna do a lot of vote counting. Where did this nuke come from? | ||
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On August 19 2016 07:50 kitaman27 wrote: ##I announce my candidacy for the Chancellor of Europe I promise to be completely transparent with all my actions as Chancellor. If I'm able to share my election choices with the thread before choosing, I'll definitely do so. Otherwise I'll go with the most pro-town option like a lynch or public dt check. I also get a bonus power if elected, similar to Obama's NSA quicktopic spy bonus power, so that would swell to obtain. Vote for Kita ^_^ I'm not a European but this seems like a pretty decent reason to elect kita. Also did the citizens of the US realize they were only electing GB for one term (day)? I was under the impression it was for the entire game although it might have been spelled out and I missed it. | ||
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On August 19 2016 11:51 Chezinu wrote: When one deviates from the plans seen by the footage of the man in the high castle, one has to pave a new route or call upon a greater being for guidance. Perhaps if we make a new being we could be more successful. Ilya Ivanov could help... I wonder if he is willing to help out.. Chez if you restart the space program I'm down. | ||
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Disinfo if you're still slinging around that kinda of money would you mind throwing 500 mil USD my way? I started the game in debt by that amount with vague warnings that something bad will happen to me if I remain in debt. I can't promise anything good will happen if I pay off my debt but if you've got $$$ to burn I wouldn't mind avoiding whatever consequences Palmar has cooked up for my financial insolvency. | ||
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Damn so this strikes me as a great scum tactic. | ||
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I'm quoting this again because it's actually really bad in my eyes. Disinfo's frustration comes across as genuine and is a sentiment I also kinda share in terms of the struggles that come with not having a lynch or super interesting powers to influence things, however he keeps reading the game and sharing thoughts and giving reads. However since town has no surefire way to punish scummy play, people are free feign frustration and to just fuck off like the above quotes and know they can get away with it. | ||
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Yo so I just read your filter and I saw literally zero reads, what gives? That landed you a spot on my suspicious list. Do you have any reads you'd care to share with the thread? | ||
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On August 20 2016 03:36 Half the Sky wrote: IAMP's post is about as forced as it comes. Furthermore the point was made that mafia can medic themselves/each other in themed games and I know it's happened in prior GM games. Another red flag here is that I was shot last night, I didn't die and I received zero notifications. Additionally (disclaimer: host wifom) Palmar generally prefers mafia-favoured (slightly) setups and will never have notifications that are not necessary. I'm 99.9% sure IAMP just claimed scum here. Forced That's a great word to describe how I was feeling about his whole "kill me I don't care about this game" shenanigans. | ||
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On August 20 2016 04:23 Kurumi wrote: Save USSR, kill people nuking stuff, be suspicious of Americans. That's what my agenda is right now. I also gave prplhz 1 credit, he never claimed it before I asked him about it, he likely has nuked another Soviet Union person, so I'm getting his ass the moment I can. See this is what I was talking about in terms of people playing to their secondary objectives and not to win. Are you calling prplhz scum or do you want to kill him just because you think he killed a soviet citizen? | ||
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As for the second I think we should avoid nukes rn, giving money to the poor would be cool but it's unclear yet what money can do in terms of scum hunting. If you put a bounty on me that would give me one of my secondary objectives so I wouldn't mind that but I think the QT one is probably gonna be the most useful. | ||
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On August 20 2016 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: also lots more votes than people posting in the thread And I haven't voted yet | ||
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On August 20 2016 07:51 kitaman27 wrote: meh it's tied right now and I need to choose. Since nobody who voted zombies has come forward, I'm going to assume that's the mafia preference. Choosing double lynch. I vote DL | ||
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[/b] ##euvote: iamperfection ##usavote: skynx[/b] | ||
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On August 20 2016 14:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's late, I'm tired, gj Kita and Dis ##euvote: iamperfection ##usavote: skynx EBWOP | ||
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On August 21 2016 08:50 iamperfection wrote: I am third party. I had to get lynched or win an elected position. Getting to an elected position seemed like it would take a lot of effort so i said fuck that and pouted until there was a lynch. I went afk and was anti town on purpose hoping to get lynched. I need to survive now to win. I don't care what faction i win with Town, Scum whatever weird thing is going on in Russia i don't care. Anyone sending kp me will make me sad and quite frankly its playing against your win condition as it doesn't matter what faction i win with. Scum other 3p? if you have the ability to contact me do so i have some tools that might speed up the ending of this game with some of your help. Town .... i dont really feel inclined to help you as i dont think your gonna win. Any townie with KP this is a free fire zone here | ||
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On August 21 2016 09:19 prplhz wrote: yea same if scum has an ability to contact me just go ahead i have some super awesome stuff for you also if anybody targets me with anything except money they're playing against their win condition If you're 3p and you declare you're willing to help maf targeting you with KP is in no way against towns wincon. That goes for iamp too. | ||
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Also disinformation I didn't get your money ![]() ##Vote world leader: Koshi | ||
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On August 23 2016 01:37 Koshi wrote: Available votes better means votes casted. Otherwise I am going to get like 20% I voted for you but since you did say you'd be willing to help people out with stuff if you're elected, do you think you can put a bounty on me? Assuming you have that as an option and there aren't better things to chose. | ||
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On August 23 2016 08:13 Tumblewood wrote: consider that every stupid push creates an extra move needed + a lost move. consider that prplhz pushes "might be scum" hastily. obvious scum. gb/chez/prplhz/iamp are claiming anti-town Yeah I'm pretty on board with this. Chez and GB need to die They've both been essentially found out for the past 72 hours and have chosen not to play because they know we have no way of killing them. | ||
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On August 23 2016 08:20 iamperfection wrote: as long as i dont get killed i dont care. Come up with a majority and i will make that my action. ill do it tomorrow. lmao its shit like this.... | ||
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On August 23 2016 08:42 Kurumi wrote: btw i can't die to this so dont worry What is it about this game that has made so many people decide not to play bc they can't die. I think it's time for another round of Ver's Responsibility mafia after this. | ||
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On August 23 2016 11:49 iamperfection wrote: I will follow whoever has plan that involves me not dying in this cycle. They can even have my support going forward. Awwww this post is so cute. You were more than happy to work with maf when the town seemed short of kp. Now that we can actually swing things in our favor you wanna play nice with the town. | ||
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Chez and GB have nobody to blame but themselves for this. I feel kinda bad about Prplhz but shit happens. Unless people like stutters, fecalfeast, rels, et. al. lurkers are scum then it may be time to start reassessing who's looking green. Personally I think I'll start with Half the Sky in honor of Prplhz | ||
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On August 26 2016 03:55 Damdred wrote: It was a fun game crazy but fun I had fun while I was here then right before I die I can go MAD I take this as a breadcrumb for more nukes? | ||
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On August 26 2016 04:59 Half the Sky wrote: My vote at this point in time is for Damdred and Stutters. I agree that Koshi is anti-town, but people aren't considering the why. If someone wants to explain why Koshi was mafia BEFORE his behaviour changed drastically that's fine. But that's a different argument. I'll be back in one hour. Sigh After the prplhz death I took a long hard look at you but other than the shit flinging between you two I don't really disagree with most of the stuff you've said and your latest and greatest reads are about in line with mine as well. I'm going off the assumption Koshi is 3p, if not we need to have a long conversation after this game about what it means to play to win vs play to secondary objectives bc there have been a frustrating amount of townies who have essentially said fuck winning and tried for secondary objectives. Take stutters for example, playing blatantly anti town in hopes of getting vigi'd so that you can then kill more people upon death is NOT optimal town play. Stutters if you somehow flip town I hope you understand that even in a game like this, increasing random KP is almost never ever in the town's best interest. It is on the other hand great scum play as it would increase team kp. It would also go along with the trend we've seen/had people claim of nontown aligned players having after death mechanics. | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:23 Koshi wrote: The only thing I am immune to is losing. I really don't understand why you people believe Rels is 3p. So funny. Shall I claim 3p survivor? I'm just treating this as a scum claim at this point. Next game I have a gun in I'm shooting you N1 regardless of alignment out of spite. | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:33 Half the Sky wrote: The "only" two Kitaman? What about Rels (from your end) whom you've been all over, all game? You realise we're dealing with a 5-player mafia team? Who are the rest? And what else about that Trfel filter? Where did it lead you? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then... You wanna switch to stutters? | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:34 Half the Sky wrote: MZ, I have voted Damdred already, unless you are saying Stutters is more probable than Damdred. I mean between damdred and stutters I dislike stutter's play + claim more but we only have a few hours left so maybe it's fruitless | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:37 Half the Sky wrote: I don't think we'll win but I am just doing this for post-game cred. If I was wrong, I was wrong. Yeah damdred + stutters need to go but it just doesn't feel like we have the KP to close it out. There's no way Koshi is town aligned but I guess 3p does make more sense, I just hate him rn for killing disinfo bc it was my first game with him and I was really starting to like him. | ||
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What I can handle is the knowledge that I am killing you the next game I get a gun. I've already written this game off as an L. | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:43 Half the Sky wrote: No. We are not touching Koshi. It is a cop-out. It should be obvious who the mafia are if you read the last few pages. Btw HtS if you really are scum wp, in that case I apologize to prplhz for not looking closer at you the second time around. 15 mins until flip right? | ||
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Who is still alive but hasn't said if they were in a QT or not? | ||
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Follow up question, did anyone fight off his KP? | ||
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I gotta be honest, people who hide or distort information don't rate very high in my book. This whole QT fiasco hasn't really made HtS look any better and I don't think the secondary objective is alignment indicative. What I do have an issue with is QT3 and the banana situation. That and I can't shake the nagging feeling prpl was on to something when he died. There was no reason as a townie to not bring up this QT earlier in the day when everyone was discussing if they had ever been in a QT at some point. As a cardinal rule townies shouldn't be lying or obfuscating information because then we get situations like this. On top of all that I've had a town read on kita for most of the game and lately he's deviated very far from what I remember his scum meta to be. | ||
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On August 27 2016 08:03 disformation wrote: yeah the talk about flipping the belt and last second shennanies really scared the fuck out of me with that belt. and I should have been gunning for world leader cause the +2 votes would have made it really safer for me to get elected. actually koshi getting elected without problem should have set off some alarm bells I wish you had pushed a bit harder for it bc I would have gone hard in the paint for you if you had wanted to challenge koshi. You played a really good game. | ||
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