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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 01:32 GMT
#3847
If it makes you feel better, I think we're all VT.

And evil god koshi randomly killed disfo so at least we're fine on that front. -_-
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 13:16 GMT
#3855
Quick response to the stuff from disfo. He's dead so I'll keep it short, but a bunch of the stuff he said didn't even make sense:

1) The QT #2 is obviously not the mafia QT. It consisted of GB, Holyflare, and myself.

2) I claimed my role a couple days ago. I could transport people as my active and I have a passive was never used. I assumed winning the European chancellor would trigger it (democracy/fascism election choice), but there wasn't an obvious option there so I went with the lynch.

3) Yeah I pushed for killing GB/chez/prpl yesterday, but we were all on board with those. I admit my reads have been lousy so far, but it's the same for everyone else

4) As for why I swapped reads on Dandel, check out the response to HTS's banana claim (search for "igrok"). Dandel was one of the banana recipients.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 13:16 GMT
#3856
HTS, I'm not really sure there is even anything for me to respond to regarding your deadline post, but if there is something you want me to clear up, let me know.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 13:37 GMT
#3857
HTS here is my biggest problem with your Trfel analysis.

On August 18 2016 07:59 ritoky wrote:
Breaking News: Unpatriotic Man Being Chased Through Ikea
[/center]

On August 18th, Trfel learns he is a dead man. His delayed death has activated and mafia apparently had no way to save him.

Anything he posts in the next day, he is fully aware will be analyzed once he flips. That's the definition of WIFOM.

To say that he is trying to keep his options open isn't all that relevant when he is already dead. There is no consequence for him going after whoever he chooses because it's not like he could die a second time. In fact, any kp that are directed at him would actually be beneficial for mafia.

There was one point that I do think could have some worth though and that was the argument that Trfel likes to keep his scum buddies out of the spotlight. If he knows he is a dead man, then taking the attention away from his buddies would be a good strategy.

I'll have to check out if there are any specific points where Trfel had an easy opportunity to push a specific player who was under heat at the time, but choose to ignore them or go elsewhere.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 13:40 GMT
#3858
I'm going to start to put together a claim list to see if it helps us narrow down potential suspects. We know there is still that banana vig guy out there from the first set of quicktopics who is almost certainly mafia since they haven't come forward. Someone with an unconfirmed role might point us to them.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 14:02 GMT
#3859
Here is what I've come up with. If anyone has any actions they'd like to claim, it probably makes sense to do so since we're getting closer to endgame. Really likely to be in lylo right now. Unfortunately a lot of these powers are unconfirmed so it's tough to point to 1-2 people and say they are the banana guy.

Tumblewood
-American, handsome, Michael Vick, needs money
-Dodges kp
-Kp via dogs

Rels
-Buzz lightyear?
-Rich, handsome
-Third party survivor claim
-Roleblocker

Lunaticman
-1 shot vig, used on chez. Broken tank?
-kgb poison, used on shape
-Survived nuke in broken tank

Kurumi
-Space/blow up the moon
-USSR/Gulag rescue
-kp

kitaman27
-Angela Merkel
-Transport people to Europe
-Receives tank if Europe turns to fascism

Stutters695
-Rich, Africa, robs people (conditional fails against non-human?)
-Weak role? Role is useless if claimed
-Stole birth certificate

Damdred
-kp role, bounty hunter (Thought maybe Boba Fett, but he says female?)
-Secondary objective to kill kurumi
-Parity check between SL and stutters

Fecalfeast
-Ash Ketchum, Japan
-Wants to catch pokemon
-Caught pidgey, watcher role

Koshi
-Belgian
-God
-Day vig

iamperfection
-Third party survivor claim
-Survived lynch and shot

sicklucker
-kp targetting aliens
-Nuke

Meapak_Ziphh
-Immune to election
-Wants bounty on himself

Half the Sky
-kp targetting players with bananas
-Has zombie army (?)
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 14:12 GMT
#3860
I think the most sketchy claim that has come out is Damdred's parity check since I can't find a timeframe that it makes sense from him to have used his power.

First off, if you have a parity check role it almost always makes sense to use it on day one, but he clearly didn't use it until recently because I'm not seeing any sort of breadcrumb (or much mention of SL or stutters in his filter at all) for that matter. He wouldn't risk taking that info to his death.

Secondly, I'm under the assumption that none of us could have performed actions during the mass roleblock from the robots. Was anyone able to get their action through during that time?

Thirdly, we were all roleblocked again this cycle (I assume?). Plus it's still the planning phase, so the action phase wouldn't have resolved yet.

Even if he managed to get it off, he didn't claim it immediately at the start of the cycle. The only reason to do so would be to try to question/interrogate SL and stutters to come to a conclusion, but he didn't bother to do that either. He just made the claim and disappeared.

It seems like a desperate attempt from mafia now that he has been caught by several players to try to lead us to focus on someone else.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 14:16 GMT
#3862
Koshi also needs to be dealt with.

Whatever he is. He may be third party or mafia, but he is certainly anti-town. Could be a conversion mechanic like someone mentioned.

I thought he might have like a Hilary Clinton role that had to kill the Donald before endgame or something, but he is European so that doesn't make sense.

Town is in such a miserable position, that you don't focus on a secondary win condition by shooting disfo. I can't see a town Koshi doing this and trolling the game afterwards. It seems more like a player who has assumed they have already won and knows we can't do anything about it.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 14:18 GMT
#3863
On August 25 2016 21:50 Lunaticman wrote:
Can you prehaps kill Damdred/Kita/Stutters?


Why me in particular?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 14:27 GMT
#3865
Specifically though?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 14:57 GMT
#3874
On August 25 2016 23:32 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2016 23:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Rels
-Buzz lightyear?
-Rich, handsome
-Third party survivor claim
-Roleblocker

I'm not handsome anymore I'm old. I can't use my roleblock anymore 'cause my batteries are dead. I was never rich, I just have some trillons of toy money that is worthless.


Remind me what actions you took the first two days?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 14:59 GMT
#3875
Do we know if this is a 24 hour lynch or 48 hour lynch
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 15:34 GMT
#3885
On August 26 2016 00:02 Half the Sky wrote:
(1) the read of Stutters for one, he did shit all other than a read on GB, so how does a lurky player as both alignments make it to your 99% don't lynch list


You straight up directly replied to my list stating that you agreed with it when I posted it. In fact, when Rels brought up killing sutters, you even responded saying we should focus on other players.

I shared the same opinion, there were other players I wanted lynched more and we weren't going to kill like 7 people that cycle.

On August 26 2016 00:02 Half the Sky wrote:(2) I am sure I called you out on this before but if I didn't (or pull the relevant quote if you answered this and I missed it)


Yeah I did answer this. #1660

On August 26 2016 00:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Separately Stutters completely ignoring disformation's wall on Kita and responding to Kitaman the way he did indicates a Kita/Stutters team, even if loosely
[/b]

Pre-flip analysis like this is really dangerous and rarely end well.

meh every game we play you start to get paranoid about me which is really frustrating lol. -_-

It's just annoying when all the stuff you've brought up so far is speculative at best. It's all "If kita was mafia, this could make sense."

Anyways, damdred and koshi are clearly superior options so we can revisit this later if need be.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 15:40 GMT
#3887
On August 19 2016 23:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
turns out she got shot* by player 14770601
she also got medic saved* by player 91757281


Was this you Rels?

If 91757281 = Rels it might lead us to 14770601.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 17:33 GMT
#3910
damdred and koshi are the only two people worth considering here.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 25 2016 20:55 GMT
#3969
On August 26 2016 05:33 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2016 02:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Damdred and Koshi seem like the correct play here


Show nested quote +
On August 26 2016 02:33 kitaman27 wrote:
damdred and koshi are the only two people worth considering here.


The "only" two Kitaman?

What about Rels (from your end) whom you've been all over, all game?

You realise we're dealing with a 5-player mafia team? Who are the rest?


Yes, only two options for today's lynch.

Frankly only one (damdred), but koshi would be next in line.

Why would I want to lynch Rels today when I already explained why damdred's claim sounds like a bunch of BS?

For the record, I still think Rels looks kinda bad, but not to the point where he passes the guy with a nonsense parity check or the guy the shoots our strongest townie and then trolls.

On August 26 2016 05:33 Half the Sky wrote:
You realise we're dealing with a 5-player mafia team? Who are the rest?


Well no. I don't know what size mafia team we are dealing with, do you?

I get what you are saying though. I don't have anyone I'm completely confident besides koshi/damdred right now. After today's lynch, I'll look towards who should be the next step.

On August 26 2016 05:33 Half the Sky wrote:
And what else about that Trfel filter? Where did it lead you?


Haven't looked yet. Still at work.

On August 26 2016 05:33 Half the Sky wrote:
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then...


Now you're just trying to aggravate me. -_-
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 26 2016 13:15 GMT
#4103
On August 18 2016 00:54 GlowingBear wrote:
QT 5:
- "I'm kinda paranoid the third person who hasn't spoke yet could be mafia though if they're just watching."

- "I don't get it at all"


This is me. Just me and GB were in the QT all of phase one. We were informed there were three people and Holyflare didn't show up until phase two.

I was also QT 2 from disfo's set of quicktopics.

So why in the world has nobody else come forward to claim the other quicktopics?

There can't possibly be 4 mafia quicktopics right? If you are town, then come forward. If each quicktopic has at least 2 players (possibly more) and there are 4 unclaimed quicktopics, that means there are a minimum of EIGHT PLAYERS who are in quicktopics, but haven't claimed. THAT'S ALMOST EVERYONE.

Are you guys all just prioritizing your secondary win conditions or something? If you are, you're playing against your MAIN WIN CONDITION, which is really lame.

On August 18 2016 00:54 GlowingBear wrote:
QT 1:
- "Welp Tumble Lost lol "

- "Nah makes perfect sense."

QT 2:
- "WHAT? JUST BECAUSE I'M GERMAN, YOU ASSUME THAT I WANT TO OPEN UP A CONCENTRATION CAMP?

YOU DISGUST ME."

- "I already bid 20 million Euros on the tank and 10 million on the iPhone. I can increase those bids if needed."

- "I'm going to Africa
And I'm killing Onegu soon"

QT 3:
- "oh and I gave kitaman a banana. It's mostly up to his imagination what he does with it.

For posting that banana picture."

- "On second thought I am just going to babble some nonsense and go down with the ship."

QT 4:
- "Man, Palmar, we are going to be BFF's

I like this place.

I think I just going to keep on trying to run for USSR election, and we can just keep on talking and talking. You and me, forever....

Are you ready for your punishment Palmar?"

- "A benevolent figure has gifted you an ice machine during your stay in the Gulag. Overusing it will cause you to get executed."
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 26 2016 13:30 GMT
#4105
On August 26 2016 22:15 kitaman27 wrote:
QT 3:
- "oh and I gave kitaman a banana. It's mostly up to his imagination what he does with it.

For posting that banana picture."

- "On second thought I am just going to babble some nonsense and go down with the ship."


The person giving out bananas seems so incredibly obvious to be mafia considering they haven't come forward and chose to target myself, dandel, and grack. If they were town, they wouldn't have anything to hide. Furthermore, a town player doesn't "go down with the ship".

It is also incredibly obvious that I am not scum buddies with the banana vig because he is talking about me as if I'm not there.

Now take a look at HTS's relation to the banana shot.

On August 17 2016 23:42 Half the Sky wrote:
This is where I am:

Not entirely sure/will need to be sussed out a bit more:
GlowingBear (some townie thought towards the end, though I am deliberately ignoring mechs here, some similar reads to mine)
Dandel Ion (meh)
Lunaticman (need to really see actual reads and not just surviving on mech discussion)
Grackaroni (originally was good but not remembering too many impactful posts from him more recently, falling under the radar?)
MZ (some of his reads I liked but more content would make me more confident on him)

The "dear vig, please take out the trash" pile:
Rels (pending catching up)
Stutters695
Kurumi
Shapelog
Fecalfeast

Possible scum
Trfel (it's somewhere in my filter)
sicklucker (where are the reads)
Chezinu (all he does is go on about his position, someone please shoot him, clearly he's not helping town even compared to Star Wars where you got some semblance he was trying to)

Scum reads
prplhz
Onegu (I make no distinction between anti-town third parties and scum)
IAP

I would say that vigis should target the bottom six players.



On August 19 2016 09:19 Half the Sky wrote:
Anyhow first things first, I'm claiming the shot on Grackaroni. I had one bullet only shoot people who held/were holding bananas (kills wouldn't register if I just shot anyone and they didn't have a banana) and there was zero to negative chance in hell I was shooting either of Kita or Dandel Ion.


Look at how she justifies the banana shot. She shot grack because she didn't want to shoot townie kita or dandel. However, in her scum list from the previous day, SHE LISTED TWELVE DIFFERENT PLAYERS that should be shot ahead of grack.

Then when she returns to the thread, SHE NEVER EVEN COMMENTS ON THE QUICKTOPICS FROM GB. A player with 16 pages of filter, is completely uninterested in the most powerful ability that town has received this game.

She does know the of the quicktopic's existence though. She knows that I was given a banana and she was either tricked into possibly shooting me or she was lying about how her shot works in the first place. Yet now she does a complete 180 on me from the previous day saying that I'm her #1 scum suspect, while HARD DEFENDING THE GUY WHO JUST SHOT DISFO.

I'll take a shot at the post game cred thing and say HTS is mafia.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 26 2016 13:32 GMT
#4107
That being said, I can't explain the medic save on her that was claimed by dandel.

Since we're all vanilla townies at this point, if a town medic protected her, they should come forward. Otherwise, it opens the possibility of a mafia medic. There wasn't any flips that could have been the medic so the medic must still be alive.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 26 2016 13:54 GMT
#4127

QT 3:
- "oh and I gave kitaman a banana. It's mostly up to his imagination what he does with it.

For posting that banana picture."


On August 16 2016 21:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 16 2016 22:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 17 2016 00:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 17 2016 01:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 17 2016 20:12 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 19 2016 23:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 19 2016 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 20 2016 00:55 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 20 2016 03:33 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 20 2016 22:49 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 22 2016 06:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 23 2016 08:34 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 23 2016 22:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 23 2016 23:13 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 23 2016 23:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 24 2016 04:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 24 2016 07:36 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 25 2016 06:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 25 2016 06:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 25 2016 07:26 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 26 2016 00:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 26 2016 00:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 26 2016 04:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 26 2016 05:33 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman?


On August 26 2016 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:
kitaman


On August 26 2016 05:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 26 2016 19:21 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 26 2016 20:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 26 2016 21:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 26 2016 21:20 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 26 2016 21:25 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 26 2016 21:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 26 2016 21:43 Half the Sky wrote:
Kitaman


On August 19 2016 23:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Second, at no point did I have access to any QT


If the person in QT 3 isn't HTS, I'll eat my hat. She's lying.
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