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On August 12 2016 09:10 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
My initial plan was to unclaim on Gb if he tried to play or at least be sensible and subsequently draw a shot later. You can see me try and talk to GB through the day and I did see gleams of town GB with the giving up and it's part of the reason I kept telling him to try and solve the game and arguing with him instead of afking on it. However, he didn't vote, he completely ignored SL's posts that made SL almost confirmed mafia to himself and he was stuck on his one read from the start of day 1.
I'm definitely disappointed and ashamed that he solely joined up to claim blue and afk but obviously part of it is my fault too. Bold is right and wrong. Right that he didn't vote, wrong that he ignored SL comments, and in fact, said they were town.
Nono he didn't even acknowledge the miller and role cop thing which would/should have made him go crazy.
On August 11 2016 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, again, I've never questioned your night actions, I have no idea why you're coming up with that.
I also don't understand how you can say that SL has too much insight on me when he calls me Miller (I didn't see that post?) and you jump on him calling him Mafia and never dropping that read when, well, he couldn't have too much insight because you think I'm Mafia and you said that two millers is impossible.
What I'm trying to say is: you either believe I'm Mafia and SL is stupid town considering I'm Miller, or you believe SL had TMI, then I'm town and he is Mafia. You can't call us both Mafia, and that's what you're doing.
Here's the thing that I posted.
On August 11 2016 22:47 Holyflare wrote:
Because nobody's first fucking thought on a cop check on a day where i would have likely got you lynched without it would be "oh holyflare could be role cop and gb miller," that's CRAZY and yes sl says dumb shit but it makes me paranoid.
I also said two millers is unlikely, not impossible.
I am also not fake claiming.
Basically it shows that I was super paranoid that he was towny which makes sense if I don't know his alignment!!! I was getting crazy paranoid with SL's posts and now it fits in perfectly hence why to gb it looked like I was calling them both mafia.
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On August 12 2016 09:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 09:10 Shapelog wrote:On August 12 2016 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
My initial plan was to unclaim on Gb if he tried to play or at least be sensible and subsequently draw a shot later. You can see me try and talk to GB through the day and I did see gleams of town GB with the giving up and it's part of the reason I kept telling him to try and solve the game and arguing with him instead of afking on it. However, he didn't vote, he completely ignored SL's posts that made SL almost confirmed mafia to himself and he was stuck on his one read from the start of day 1.
I'm definitely disappointed and ashamed that he solely joined up to claim blue and afk but obviously part of it is my fault too. Bold is right and wrong. Right that he didn't vote, wrong that he ignored SL comments, and in fact, said they were town. Nono he didn't even acknowledge the miller and role cop thing which would/should have made him go crazy. Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, again, I've never questioned your night actions, I have no idea why you're coming up with that.
I also don't understand how you can say that SL has too much insight on me when he calls me Miller (I didn't see that post?) and you jump on him calling him Mafia and never dropping that read when, well, he couldn't have too much insight because you think I'm Mafia and you said that two millers is impossible.
What I'm trying to say is: you either believe I'm Mafia and SL is stupid town considering I'm Miller, or you believe SL had TMI, then I'm town and he is Mafia. You can't call us both Mafia, and that's what you're doing. Here's the thing that I posted. Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 22:47 Holyflare wrote:
Because nobody's first fucking thought on a cop check on a day where i would have likely got you lynched without it would be "oh holyflare could be role cop and gb miller," that's CRAZY and yes sl says dumb shit but it makes me paranoid.
I also said two millers is unlikely, not impossible.
I am also not fake claiming.
Basically it shows that I was super paranoid that he was towny which makes sense if I don't know his alignment!!! I was getting crazy paranoid with SL's posts and now it fits in perfectly hence why to gb it looked like I was calling them both mafia.
Well I mean he did acknowledge it actually but not in a proper context and I guess it should have been my responsibility to press gb onto it more too but I do admit to some confirmation bias on gb being mafia.
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Grack/shape do you mind doing a quick thing about why you think the other one is mafia? Like bullet points brief.
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Also SL mentions contradictory motives to further his agenda. He consistently states about role cops and mafia drawing out cops but also said he knew I was fake claiming since I was roleblocked and he town read GlowingBear. None of this has played a part until now when his agenda is to push my lynch. Not once did he try and engage GlowingBear about his town read or try and figure it out, in fact he said the opposite, that GlowingBear was 95% mafia.
If you read his filter his story changes to whatever it needs to consistently. Now, he boasts about knowing I was unclaiming but did nothing to stop it. He will say about the flip sorting itself out but his setup to cover that situation where GB flipped miller was conveniently laid out by him previously.
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I need someone like dis or shape/grack to talk to me about luna.
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I'm also of the mind stutters is definitely mafia, obviously for everything I linked day 1 but the fact his only post today was to vote and say he's read and then afk again when arguably the most important situation of the game has occured is bad.
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You are also extremely welcome to filter dive me and try and link me to people or whatever but you should definitely ask me questions about stuff if you need to.
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On August 12 2016 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
I have a bit of a block with Luna for the most part and it's definitely because I've never played with him but I tend to think that new mafia don't try and play the game or solve it when there's a red check afk day. Luna made a case against disfo based almost entirely on his association with GB. So the question is, is he smart enough /motivated to do that. Generally I would say new players arent. I also was hesitant to lynch him d1 because I saw some towny obstinace.
Basically he's probably town unless you can say he's an intelligent mafia.
Disformation is much the same reasoning for a town read but his posting comes across as smart. Yet, he filter dived previous games, did associations etc etc. I'd very likely say he was town too.
On August 12 2016 08:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
I have a bit of a block with Luna for the most part and it's definitely because I've never played with him but I tend to think that new mafia don't try and play the game or solve it when there's a red check afk day. Luna made a case against disfo based almost entirely on his association with GB. So the question is, is he smart enough /motivated to do that. Generally I would say new players arent. I also was hesitant to lynch him d1 because I saw some towny obstinace.
Basically he's probably town unless you can say he's an intelligent mafia.
Disformation is much the same reasoning for a town read but his posting comes across as smart. Yet, he filter dived previous games, did associations etc etc. I'd very likely say he was town too. An addendum to this though, while Luna's experience and actions lead to me thinking he's town some of the content about there being multiple mafia on wagons is very fucking suspicious and sends alarm bells evry time I hear it.
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Specifically, I know nothing about Luna, I don't know his scum game at all. SL keeps posting he'd be more tinfoil as town and it's making me wifom harder because regardless of alignment I don't think SL would lie about that.
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On August 12 2016 09:39 Holyflare wrote:
Specifically, I know nothing about Luna, I don't know his scum game at all. SL keeps posting he'd be more tinfoil as town and it's making me wifom harder because regardless of alignment I don't think SL would lie about that.
Actually, SL is doing some shady shit with Luna. First it's a town read then it's scum because not tinfoil and now it's town because I was pushing him even though I town read Luna and moved to GB.
Possibly saving a partner? His grack is 100% mafia read d1 vanished though.
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I've got work in 4 hours, don't leave me hanging I want to sleep 
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Well cop can check him to prove really 
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Anyway, my thoughts on his newbie status are in my post? I don't think newbies usually make cases (yes, it was shit and full of holes) on people halfway through an afk day when they know their case is turned to shit later when GB flips.
I feel like the motivation or actual idea just wouldn't occur to him. I also mentioned the alarm bells but when I read his filter I remember him explain about the vca stuff and me not hating it.
Basically a heavily associated case that becomes useless within 24 hours is almost (ALMOST) exclusively a town thing to do imo.
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Aka it just seems like crazy confirmation bias tunnnel?
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Bed for me, lame. Another fucked up day of no sleep :s :s
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Do you want to quantify those reads with any game related activity luna?
Why is SL town? Why is Dis STILL mafia despite your case relying on GB being mafia?
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I also don't think you've mentioned mderg all game? (don't remember at least)
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On August 12 2016 17:25 Lunaticman wrote:I also think it is funny that Dis was the first one to go on the GB train. Were you afraid he might fight back on the claim 
Yo dude, I know you're pretty tunneled or mafia but Dis was on the GB wagon before I claimed I had a check.
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Also there's still the part of the game where I'm town that you need to look at. If you change your view on me to town how would the game look from that perspective? Who would the mafia be in your opinion?
Do you think I'm apparently crazy distancing myself from Disformation or something? Also narrowing my mislynch pool for fun? You're grossly misunderstanding my mafia play in that case, I try and play mafia with the least resistance possible because it is a thankless boring job to lie a lot. I've also just had a mafia game where I flat out quit day 1 because I couldn't be bothered yet here I am trying to give information.
Why are you not finding my connections based on my posting and votes if you're so deadset on me being mafia? I think you're too tunneled on disf because he's very likely to not be mafia.
Can you explain what i asked earlier? Why do you think Disformation's early posts hinted at him being a role?
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He's trying to say that you jumped on the wagon to bury him or something from talking even though he had 48 hours to talk and your vote wouldn't have made a difference.
Not to mention you voted him before the claim anyway.
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