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On August 02 2016 12:57 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 12:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I think it's at least as face palm as my squirming theory. This is utter nonsense. Because one is based on feelings and one is based off some cold, hard facts. Your squirming theory was based on an unflipped association read between three people. All of whom, by your own pointing out, were on the same wagon (a damn risky thing for mafia to do, even to save one of their own, safest thing would have been to have one bus late on). And one of whom actually managed to hammer himself and is now confirmed town after being lynched. It had zero basis on any actual evidence and has been shown to be rubbish because mderg is confirmed to be not mafia. On the other hand the thing Moosy pointed out (and I've detailed above) is based on actual, verifiable votes made. Not wild guesses based on future flips. It is a FACT that the two of you were consistently on votes with each other around the same time. It is also a FACT that silent consistently followed you onto the votes. I'm going to look through filters tomorrow properly to see the excuses given for the vote changes; but the fact that those events actually happened cannot be disputed and it looks dodgy as hell.
Aha! I predict you shall be baited yet. Since when is voting next to each other for three lynches a mafia strategy? I say your cold, hard "facts" are cracking at the seams, while my feels were reals, indeed!
Serious answer:
(they're the same thing regardless. Both theories were based off "verifiable votes" and wild guesses based on future flips. Once I flip town your theory will look equally silly.)
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Lol go to sleep Celestial.
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On August 02 2016 13:14 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 13:08 Grackaroni wrote:
Aha! I predict you shall be baited yet. Since when is voting next to each other for three lynches a mafia strategy? Its a poor strategy. But silent is a newbie. So anything is possible. Show nested quote +I say your cold, hard "facts" are cracking at the seams, while my feels were reals, indeed! Your "feels were reals"? Wait...you still thing mderg could be part of a me/Stutters/mderg scumteam? Despite him flipping town already? You what? Show nested quote +Serious answer:
(they're the same thing regardless. Both theories were based off "verifiable votes" and wild guesses based on future flips. Once I flip town your theory will look equally silly.) They're not the same thing. Because I had no 'theories' in the post you quoted. I was simply expressing facts that Moosy drew my attention to. It is a FACT that that voting pattern happened. And you're trying really far, far too hard to dismiss this. My ACTUAL theories, meanwhile, I have already just quoted above as being totally wild, unsubstantiated guesses. Proudly self-admittedly so. Though I'll probably have a dig about tomorrow to see if any posts fit either pattern.
It's just a meaningless phrase. I'd be quite shocked if you were mafia.
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On August 02 2016 13:46 Stutters695 wrote:
@Grack
I'll concede 358, that was a pretty convoluted point and honestly fairly inconsequential. Made more sense as I was typing it.
I didn't push your lynch because we had like an hour and a half until the lynch and I didn't have the clout to get it to go through. Last thing we needed was to shit up the thread more.
The plynch vs actual push is the crux of what's wrong with silent's vote on me. His return/vote on me was before I had him as anything other than a policy lynch. Of course I hadn't mentioned him because there was nothing to mention. He was mia and needed to post.
Yet, despite your admitted lack of trust in your own reads and your willingness to sheep someone of whom you had no idea their alignment, you defended Silent. Then when you apologized to mderg (implying at least a slight town read at that point) you could have switched to silent, which would have put him in the lead over mderg. Why not do that?
This doesn't add up.
Well the way I see it your original reasoning for voting me was weak and then he saw you voting him after Celestial posted and thought it was opportunistic. It seems reasonable from a town perspective to me. It's possible he's mafia, but I don't see what all the hubbub is about.
Here's the context for the post you're referencing:
On August 02 2016 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm kind of tempted to shennany but I waited too long.
On August 02 2016 07:58 mderg wrote:
No shenannies happening?
On August 02 2016 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Sorry Mderg.
The post was just my way of affirming that I wasn't going to switch.
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On August 02 2016 22:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.
Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.
Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.
Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while.
I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train. I like this list.
J'accuse!
On January 26 2014 11:20 Alakaslam wrote:
I am who I am! But I am not who I was! But I was similar to who I am! Am I worth your time?
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On January 26 2014 09:47 Alakaslam wrote:
Grackaroni
Have you knowledge of the ways of KASLIZM? Many fish! What for to say when shall it be caught?
I now have knowledge of the ways of KASLIZM. many fish shall be caught. Many fish, indeed!
I point my finger most vigorously at the traitorous Rels.
From day 1 his reads were as follows:
On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT
Clearly stutters and Celestial are town now from the end of the day and night, so I would expect changes to be made there in Rels' reads.
On August 02 2016 22:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.
Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.
Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.
Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while.
I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train. I like this list.
However, now that the thread sentiment has focused on a scum team of me/Silent, he has changed his reads to match! oh dear! oh my! Please say it isn't so! But alas it is true.
For what reason does he believe that the counterwagon Silent was mafia? It's only because that is where the thread sentiment is right now. Let's look at the facts. Scott was voting Mderg the entire time because Mderg was his top scum read. Not a scummy vote. I think I was pretty clearly just looking to sheep whoever Rels accused. Silent voted to save himself. None of these votes read as scum motivated. Now why exactly is the counter wagon scummy enough for Rels to change his reads completely into believing the counter wagon is mafia?
I don't believe Rels is approaching this as a townie. He just sees that Silent and I are going to be taking the fall for this from Rels/Stutters/Moosy and has changed his reads accordingly. J'accuse!
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If I have not made my post clearly enough here is my issue:
Celestial believed that me/Silent were mafia from the beginning and sees confirmation of it in the end of the day vote.
Stutters believed that I was mafia during the day and sees confirmation of it in the end of the day and comes to the conclusion that Silent and I are mafia.
Both of these make sense.
Rels on the other hand was suspecting KSC/BTDT and was not suspecting me or silent or Scott. None of the votes on the Mderg wagon seem scum motivated. There's no reason for Rels to buy into Celestial/Stutters' theory without already believing that one of us is mafia. As town I would expect Rels to ignore the wagons completely from his prior reads.
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On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ?
What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment:
Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read.
I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked."
Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch.
I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game.
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On August 03 2016 02:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game. Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list"
Yeah that's the one. You're basing your reads off the vote and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. J'accuse!
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On August 03 2016 02:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game. Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list" Yeah that's the one. You're basing your reads off the vote and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. J'accuse! You don't know what I'm basing my reads on. This reaction is waaaaay too over the top to be townie. I say I like ONE post with ONE list with your name as scum on it, and you've said all of this. But it is based on nothing since I didn't say anything. O M G U S This is what you're doing. And this is scum indicative.
But it was not just one list with my name on it. It was a list with everybody who voted Mderg in red.
Therefore,
On January 26 2014 23:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Ah, HIJOLE! I am being slandered
I Dinnae say that!
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Yet not sure I want to out those who Dinnae read what I Dinnae say that they say I said but to for to LaL, I don't know!!!
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On August 03 2016 02:57 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:49 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:41 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game. Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list" Yeah that's the one. You're basing your reads off the vote and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. J'accuse! You don't know what I'm basing my reads on. This reaction is waaaaay too over the top to be townie. I say I like ONE post with ONE list with your name as scum on it, and you've said all of this. But it is based on nothing since I didn't say anything. O M G U S This is what you're doing. And this is scum indicative. But it was not just one list with my name on it. It was a list with everybody who voted Mderg in red. Therefore, On January 26 2014 23:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Ah, HIJOLE! I am being slandered
I Dinnae say that!
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Yet not sure I want to out those who Dinnae read what I Dinnae say that they say I said but to for to LaL, I don't know!!! I don't believe you can really believe this to be true. Skynx makes a list with you on it and other people => you're OK with it. I say I like the list => you scumread me. It doesn't make any sense.
I have higher expectations from you.
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On August 03 2016 03:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:58 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:57 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:49 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:41 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game. Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list" Yeah that's the one. You're basing your reads off the vote and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. J'accuse! You don't know what I'm basing my reads on. This reaction is waaaaay too over the top to be townie. I say I like ONE post with ONE list with your name as scum on it, and you've said all of this. But it is based on nothing since I didn't say anything. O M G U S This is what you're doing. And this is scum indicative. But it was not just one list with my name on it. It was a list with everybody who voted Mderg in red. Therefore, On January 26 2014 23:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Ah, HIJOLE! I am being slandered
I Dinnae say that!
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Yet not sure I want to out those who Dinnae read what I Dinnae say that they say I said but to for to LaL, I don't know!!! I don't believe you can really believe this to be true. Skynx makes a list with you on it and other people => you're OK with it. I say I like the list => you scumread me. It doesn't make any sense. I have higher expectations from you. Bullshit. Nowhere in your two posts did this ever pop up as a reason to scumread me and not scumread Skynx.
I think I've pretty clearly showed that I do from day 1. Also most people in the thread have expressed that you are the strongest player so I don't see how this is strange to you.
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On August 03 2016 03:12 Rels wrote:
So your argument is: Skynx makes a mafia list of dudes that voted for silent. Rels says it's a good list. Since there is nothing fishy about how the votes went down yesterday, Rels is scum fishing for some easy targets.
My argument is that day one you seemed to be reading the game in a similar way that I was. Day 2 you moved with the thread sentiment for what looks like reasons that I don't believe you would actually read as scum indicative. (being on the mderg lynch)
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On August 03 2016 03:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 03:17 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 03:12 Rels wrote:
So your argument is: Skynx makes a mafia list of dudes that voted for silent. Rels says it's a good list. Since there is nothing fishy about how the votes went down yesterday, Rels is scum fishing for some easy targets. My argument is that day one you seemed to be reading the game in a similar way that I was. Day 2 you moved with the thread sentiment for what looks like reasons that I don't believe you would actually read as scum indicative. (being on the mderg lynch) Why ? Who were you scumreading between the mderg lynch and the scumread on me ? Who would you expect me to scumread and for what reasons ?
For reasons I have already pointed out!
between the mderg and you I had thought there may be a Lunatic/KSC team because this post seemed different to me than the rest of Lunatic's filter.
On August 01 2016 05:38 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 05:09 KelsierSC wrote:
game starting again cool. Hi i'm town So are you having regrets about something? Your first posts really didn't put you in a good position becauset they were a super lame buss attempt on a "policy lynch" (however I don't think many would disagree on it), I would consider this was more of a towny mistake than anything but if I was town I wouldn't go back on what I said like that without an explination something like: "hey I messed that one up and thought he was super annoying". No intead you were like "Hi I'm town". It's like your just trying to hide what you previously stated. I would definatly not have a problem lynching you for your posting behaviour tbh.
I had a flash of an idea that perhaps Luna was scum with Kelsier because Luna seems quite convinced that Kelsier has slipped! (And also I was already suspicious of Luna)
I would expect you to maintain some of your current reads with some adjustments rather than a complete 360 to scum read everybody on the Mderg lynch.
On December 08 2014 06:27 Alakaslam wrote:
You see not with the eyes of chupazi
his words must all be original
Khazad-Summachin qua tua sikh Malahanarizanichuu pi onb jiaan chaldiss phor. Phait janfini po zu tre qua minina zoot!
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On August 03 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:
You had no scumreads all night apart from the one on me. You had two townreads that we share. So I don'tr understand why this is a reason to scumread me:
"My argument is that day one you seemed to be reading the game in a similar way that I was. Day 2 you moved with the thread sentiment for what looks like reasons that I don't believe you would actually read as scum indicative. (being on the mderg lynch)"
ESPECIALLY since we mislynched, so it's normal reads evolve, and ESPECIALLY since you've said your reads were also going to change entirely.
My reads would change but not like this. The reads you liked were opportunistic reads that already seemed down and out for the count. I don't think you came by them from your own analysis because you would have noticed that there was no evidence of anyone switching on to Mderg to save a scum buddy. On the contrary, all of the votes were almost destined to occur.
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I will not yield, Rels. Oh no, no, no! A fight through the day there shall be!
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On August 03 2016 09:19 -Celestial- wrote:
...is this a never-ending night or something?
Are we supposed to have stopped talking now? I thought deadline was like an hour twenty ago. There hasn't even been a message to tell everyone to stop talking.
Shapelog has probably run into some difficulties. I think we should probably avoid talking about game related things until the night post. The night is dark and full of terrors.
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