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J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 07 2016 16:05 GMT
#1068
On August 08 2016 00:36 Lunaticman wrote:
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On August 07 2016 06:53 J Roc wrote:
Have free time this evening after dota battle cup. Will do stuff I promise


Hahahaha, That is one loooong cup.



Yup I am still playing. 5 hour games man its rough.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 08 2016 16:12 GMT
#1107
On August 08 2016 17:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
J Roc

His day 1 posting pattern is really weird. Lot's of fluff ("I am blue"), early, unreasoned vote on Stutters ("Happy Birthday")...
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On July 31 2016 17:23 J Roc wrote:
On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted.


something reasonable

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On July 31 2016 17:00 J Roc wrote:
On July 31 2016 16:48 mderg wrote:
Easy game, J Roc, Grackaroni and Race Bannon are the dirty scummers.
Next game pls.



RIP.

Thought first post meant you were confirmed town on this site. Guess thats only true if you get a role PM.


But he drops that style at the point where silentwarrior comes up with his Kelsier read.
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On July 31 2016 20:31 J Roc wrote:
On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:
Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though.

But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC

On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted.


So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us.

On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game

##vote Race Bannon

See you all in a few days


Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post.
I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do.
##vote Kelsier SC



This post. Spaming the thread doesnt help town in anyway. If anything it shuts down discussion because people dont want to deal with him.

Normally I dont like policy lynches day one but here I dont mind the vote going on Bannon. Your problem is that someone posting shouldnt be voted. But when that person is doing nothing constructive and just posting nonsense it does nothing. So you reason for voting Kelsier is bad.

While I dont like the fact that he said be back in a few days I had no problem with his vote and dont like your reason for voting him when he is putting pressure on someone who frankly needs pressure put on him.

I think anyone would agree with Silentwarrior there but what I find highly interesting is that J Roc completely disagrees with what Silent said about Kelsier. Why? I think silent's point there are really good. The thing is however that kelsier flipped town so there's no way that his is mafia soft defending an inactive teammate. But what I can see there is that J Roc is defending a vote on RB. RB would've been an easy mislynch for scum had he continued his spam.

Next thing that is weird is the vote on scott:

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On August 01 2016 20:30 J Roc wrote:
Just something real quick and I will be back later.

I really hated scotts entrance.

Race Bannons actions completely null and the fact that he came in here saying he knew RB was town from a obs point of view is really off to me.

Also the dude who wrote the huge post. You have pocketed me. Well played. Not voting you.

Ill be back later.

##Vote: Scott

He says that RB's actions were null. He points out my post about RB, scumreading me for that post. Scott does the same, which implies that scott agrees with Roc at this point. But he completely disregards that. Instead he votes scott (who still has a weak position at this point because he comes off of the RB replacement and IMHO could've been an easy mislynch if mafia dared to push him) because he thinks that an observation from OUTSIDE THE GAME is alignment indicative? That does not make any sense to me, at all, and feels like scum seemingly having found a pain point that can be pushed. I am absolutely not liking that post.
Talking about a scott mislynch, it looks like that's how J Roc perceived it indeed:
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On August 02 2016 08:36 J Roc wrote:
On August 02 2016 08:28 Stutters695 wrote:
JRoc, since you're here, what do you make of those last few hours before the lynch?



Wasn't very productive and we let Scott make a few posts then fuck off while the wagon moved off of him

I completely disagree with the scum read of Scott. Completely. The reasoning behind this read is simply bad and highly constructed. Yet he still stresses it, without any follow up, without bringing scott back to the thread's attention.

Instead, mderg defense:
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On August 02 2016 06:33 J Roc wrote:
I'm not lynching mderg. I agree with a lot of his reads.

At this point, many people want to lynch mderg. This can easily be scum, trying to gain town cred for voting outside the wagon.
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On August 02 2016 08:34 J Roc wrote:
Was against a mderg lynch the whole time

[image loading]

"Look, I knew it."

His following reads during the night phase say Rels and Scott are scum, while he does not react to Moosy although being explicitely asked about Moosy - by Moosy. Also he engages in discussion with Moosy and starts agreeing on Moosy's vote analysis bullshit. While they had opposite opinions before, J Roc abandons his scott push at this point and follows Moosy. Why? But yeah, after that short excursion he goes back to scott.

Then he leaves completely:
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On August 07 2016 06:53 J Roc wrote:
Have free time this evening after dota battle cup. Will do stuff I promise

That never happened.

Given that J Roc went for scott since D1 and never really stopped, I think he's pushing an agenda. It actually makes sense, scum needed only one more mislynch to win before moosy was modkilled. And pushing a player with two pages of filter that is being scumread already by others (-> Celestial, who has a high level of town cred) feels like the easy thing to do. In D1, it's safe to vote outside the town wagon. D2, the push can be kept up, and once D3 has started, things look good: thread put me under suspicion (first potential mislynch), and if that fails, there's always scott (second potential mislynch). We're lucky that Moosy was modkilled tbh.

I think J Roc is scum and we should vote him. If J Roc flips town which I find highly unlikely, I'd go for Scott. Or at least that's what I would do now. We're in a very good situation but we really need to carefully look into what we do next.



No my point was you shouldnt have a read on RB at all.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 08 2016 16:16 GMT
#1108
I am currently re reading the game then will go over filters.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 08 2016 16:27 GMT
#1109
If Skynx is scum and knows Moosy is going to get modkilled there. And no one else was around he would have had to bus there, there were already 2 votes on luna first. So even if he votes on celest with luna, luna still gets lynched and he looks really bad.

Dunno need to look into things more.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 09 2016 02:23 GMT
#1146
I am still reading. Scott is the lynch btw.

Skynx was starting to look like he would be up for lynch today. So why kill him? Well who was he scum reading?


On August 08 2016 17:56 Skynx wrote:
Other voters have to explain themselves. Mafia didn't even bus lol this is such a wtf game. Silent and celest earned eternal towncred. I'm not scum.
Btdt needs a bit of a re-read but he's putting effort right now.
Comes down to Onegu vs Scott. Onegu has been tunneling Scott since min1 so I doubt he's the last one here.
Scott should be the vote for now. Time to re-read if he's town which would be unfortunate.



I would have most likely stayed on scott. Skynx was going on scott and. Other people had scott as maybe scum. Scott needed to get rid of one of the people who were going to vote him. And killing me would have screamed scott is mafia.. Will go through the other filters tonight/tomorrow to double check. Scott is last scum most likely.

Also look how he came into the thread. Celest and onegu need to figure out which of them is scum... That makes no sense at all as a post.

##Vote: Scott
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 09 2016 02:26 GMT
#1147
Silent isnt scum at all as he could have just switched his vote and luna wouldnt have been lynched. No reason for him to bus there, even more so if scum knew MD was going to get modkilled.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 09 2016 18:30 GMT
#1154
On August 10 2016 02:48 silentwarrior wrote:
But I am quite puzzled by last nights kill. There was a decent chance that skynx would be lynched, and there are a lot better options for night kill. I see 3 reasons for killing skyns.
1. The most obvious town players had townread the mafia
2. Skynx had scumread mafia and he wanted rid of him
3. He was trying to cast shade on the ones that skynx had scumread.

I don't think 2 is likely, it would be too suspicous tbh.
Can say as of right now, I consider only btdt as the only town apart from me. Rest I am unsure about.



Number 2 is most likely. First off most people dont read dead peoples filters.

1 why would that matter? If the most town people were read scum correctly scum would kill them because they appeared town. Most people dont look at who someone was scum reading.

3 again who cares most people dont check who people were scum reading when they die. First rule for newbie mafia, kill the people who are correct and will be pushsing you.

People shouldnt try to read wifom into the nk.

The fact skynx was killed doesnt change the fact that scott is scummy anyway. Skynx scum reading scott is also a point against scott but not a big one. It def isnt a point for scott to be town read.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 09 2016 20:51 GMT
#1158
On August 10 2016 04:04 silentwarrior wrote:
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On August 10 2016 03:30 J Roc wrote:
On August 10 2016 02:48 silentwarrior wrote:
But I am quite puzzled by last nights kill. There was a decent chance that skynx would be lynched, and there are a lot better options for night kill. I see 3 reasons for killing skyns.
1. The most obvious town players had townread the mafia
2. Skynx had scumread mafia and he wanted rid of him
3. He was trying to cast shade on the ones that skynx had scumread.

I don't think 2 is likely, it would be too suspicous tbh.
Can say as of right now, I consider only btdt as the only town apart from me. Rest I am unsure about.



Number 2 is most likely. First off most people dont read dead peoples filters.

1 why would that matter? If the most town people were read scum correctly scum would kill them because they appeared town. Most people dont look at who someone was scum reading.

3 again who cares most people dont check who people were scum reading when they die. First rule for newbie mafia, kill the people who are correct and will be pushsing you.

People shouldnt try to read wifom into the nk.

The fact skynx was killed doesnt change the fact that scott is scummy anyway. Skynx scum reading scott is also a point against scott but not a big one. It def isnt a point for scott to be town read.


People do check dead peoples reads, that even happened in this game.

1 would matter a lot. For example I am seen as pretty town since, but can easily be wrong about the last mafia which is why I wasn't killed last night. I might have townread last mafia, in which case me living helps him more than dying.

You just used wifom about nk against scott, but say it dosen't matter? All I was trying to do by that post was show that nk could be done for multiple reasons. It was posted in response to you saying nk is a point against scott, which I think it's not.


How many games have you played and how many of them were scum?

J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 09 2016 20:57 GMT
#1160
On August 10 2016 05:56 Onegu wrote:
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On August 09 2016 16:00 scott31337 wrote:
On August 09 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote:
Jroc-

Celestial -

Name who you will lynch next after I flip town.


Everyone playing

Name who you will lynch next after I flip town



If you are town why dont you put the work in and help us figure out who is scum instead of asking these pointless questions.

J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 09 2016 20:58 GMT
#1161
I figured out what happens. If I check a filter it goes to teamliquid.net while I am signed into liquiddota as j roc. When I go to the other site I am logged into onegu so I cant check a filter from op and then post as it will be from onegu account.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 09 2016 21:15 GMT
#1163
On August 10 2016 06:07 scott31337 wrote:
I want a serious answer you and Celestial won't try to squirm out of after I'm dead. (You will, but I want it on paper)

Now i know you're Onegu I'm even more confident it's one of you two. Don't do jack all game until the fun occurs.

I can't outspam Celestial so why even try?



If you arent scum then I prob get lynched next so...

And like you arent even looking at anyone other than me or celest. Also lol at the show up when shit occurs its not even lylo and I was fairly active day 1.

I dont think I am ever lynching celest. If he is scum then WP and GG.

I dont like how BTDT isnt around but I dont think he voted last phase and if he doesnt vote this phase he will get mod killed.

And I still plan on reading silent.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 09 2016 21:17 GMT
#1164
Like btdt should be here but the fact he isnt is worrisome...
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 09 2016 21:18 GMT
#1166
On August 10 2016 06:18 beentheredonethat wrote:
Im im the hospital. Daughter had accident. I concede the game im last scum.



Sorry to hear this

GG though.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 09 2016 21:22 GMT
#1168
Good to know I tunneled town since day 1 and havent lost my townie tunnel ability.
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