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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 31 2016 23:32 GMT
#278
On August 01 2016 08:26 Grackaroni wrote:
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On August 01 2016 06:25 KelsierSC wrote:
yeh this game is just terrible

Why are you being crotchety? Come play the game and it will be less terrible.

Otherwise please ask for a replacement so we can get somebody who wants to play.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 00:53 GMT
#280
On August 01 2016 09:37 KelsierSC wrote:
Skynx seems ok . Everyone else is kind of irritating to read

Who would you like to lynch?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 03:57 GMT
#290
On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking.

I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it.

This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy?

I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this.

However I have huge issues with this bit:

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Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third.


No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean.
The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's.

I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia.

Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic!

As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things.

My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 04:30 GMT
#291
I don't see much else I can comment on from that list. A lot of it is like "town for post on Racebannon, disagrees with Grack."
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 04:44 GMT
#293
On August 01 2016 13:41 DCWasabi wrote:
Can somebody point me in the direction of the obs QT please, I can't find it, lol.

PM Shapelog.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 14:59 GMT
#313
On August 01 2016 14:51 Skynx wrote:
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On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:
On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post:
On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:
Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though.

But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC

On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted.


So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us.

On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game

##vote Race Bannon

See you all in a few days


Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post.
I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do.
##vote Kelsier SC


I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone.
I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak.


It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny?

He asked for people's opinions, I gave one, how's that being sceptical of anyone? Also previous games shouldn't have an effect on how you approach people if they are not massive trolls. If you feel like you have such a good feel in his playstyle after 1 game and can meta read him based off of that 24h into a new game please inform us.

I think that Lunatic misread my post as me quoting myself.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 15:05 GMT
#314
On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote:
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On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking.

I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it.

This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy?

I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this.

However I have huge issues with this bit:

Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third.


No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean.
The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's.

I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia.

Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic!

As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things.

My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott.

I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away.

That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise).

What did you dislike about Scott's posts?

I'm really just trying to make do with what little I have reads wise. You guys think I'm silly for my town reads but I think there are a lot worse ones being made right now.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 15:09 GMT
#315
On August 01 2016 20:30 J Roc wrote:
Just something real quick and I will be back later.

I really hated scotts entrance.

Race Bannons actions completely null and the fact that he came in here saying he knew RB was town from a obs point of view is really off to me.

Also the dude who wrote the huge post. You have pocketed me. Well played. Not voting you.

Ill be back later.

##Vote: Scott

See I just don't get it. I think the most obvious assumption here is that Scott actually believed that Race Bannon was town for those reasons prior to joining and then wrote that post regardless of what alignment RB is.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 15:24 GMT
#316
On August 01 2016 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia.


Perhaps. But Race seemed to be in a place where he'd do that as either alignment, especially given the banning. And I don't think its necessarily a safe bet to always assume mafia is going to be more passive.


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Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic!


Hah, sorry, I think you're misunderstanding where I'm going a little bit. That's on me, I didn't explain very well.

My point was that there's a difference between saying that you disagree with someone's points and yet townread them for it and implying people are scummy for not doing so. On reflection I think I might have read more into this particular quote than you had intended, I got the impression you were throwing shade on people for it, so apologies about that:
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Since earlier in the thread J roc and Mderg posted suspicions on Silentwarrior based on that post and the day has been so slow, I wanted to see if a wagon would form. Not much came from it. Skynx said Silentwarrior was suspicious and Mderg reaffirmed his suspicion.



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As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things.


It was just more the fact that you asked for opinions before putting your own opinion, which meant nobody could comment on your opinion whilst doing so. *shrug*


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My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott.


The fact that you were highlighting him pushing on scott, yet he hasn't even addressed scott himself. He just wanted rid of Race because of the spamming. I don't think its a very fair claim to make given the circumstances and came across a little as trying to make him look worse with a reasoning that doesn't hold up particularly well.


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On August 01 2016 17:25 mderg wrote:
Too lazy to continue like that, so here are some general thoughts:
I don't like how you're giving town points to everyone who's calling out BTDT. I agree that BTDT wanting to lynch Race before the replacement was scummy. But anyone would agree on that, it's such an easy and obvious point to make that I don't think it warrants town points at all.


You're probably right. The issue right now is that there's not a lot of 'events' to draw conclusions from so I'm just working with what's there. :-\


Legitimately dunno who to lynch right now honestly which is really bad with so little time remaining. I'm finding it interesting that people are hating on scott's posts so much right now. I'm not liking his position on silent but apart from that I'm not seeing anything obviously problematic. Can anyone go over their reasonings on that?

Now the formatting is really going to get out of control! If you really think that it's non-alignment indicative, why do you like Stutters for scum reading him and dislike me for town reading him?
On August 01 2016 00:25 Stutters695 wrote:
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On July 31 2016 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey guys, totally reasonable Moosy chipping in here. My totally logical thoughts say that Race Bannon is spamming for the sake of spamming. As a man who employs this technique myself I say it's safe to ignore every post he makes and address him on a later date since he's basically guaranteed to act like a sack of potatoes all of D1.


Slight issue is that's totally unreasonable. He was completely capable of producing readable content as both alignments in previous games. This is probably an attempt to shift his meta, although it's almost inconsequential because it is incredibly anti-town.

You townread stutters for this post and subsequent questioning of me? Isn't he making an argument that Race Bannon had changed his meta because he rolled scum?

That's kind of where I'm at though. I can't discern much out of the filters since they're all very short and talk about things that I don't find very telling. My first feeling was that Silent's post seemed townie and that scum would probably want to push him. It doesn't make for a convincing case, but those are my feels lol.

Ah. I didn't expect to get much from saying that I thought the post was fine, so I wanted to do my way to see if I could get more information, which I really didn't.

This part of the post actually seems quite contrived to me. I wrote Scott instead of Race Bannon just because he was the person that filled that slot. What could I possibly have to gain from this sleight of hand?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 15:35 GMT
#318
On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote:
Also Moosy how is KSC town is that a tone read?

Yes.

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On August 01 2016 22:54 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking.

I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it.

This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy?

I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this.

However I have huge issues with this bit:

Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third.


No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean.
The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's.

I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia.

Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic!

As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things.

My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott.

I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away.

That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise).

explAin dood

Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative.

scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated.
His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post.

So do you think btdt's post was shit or good?

it was bad

So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post?

I think the real question is: are you going to scumread Mderg for scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 15:57 GMT
#322
On August 02 2016 00:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
For example, say I pose the question, throw shade on mderg through the process, but don't do anything with it for the rest of this day or for some time. After time passed, you bring it up and say "hey, this might be a sign of mafia asking questions for the sake of asking questions to appear like an active and engaged player" and then you can put pressure on me that way. And you can wait and see the answer that mderg gives and draw reads from it. As it is, you put me on high alert if I'm Mafia, you give mderg wiggle room if he's Mafia because you're putting pressure on me through the process, and generally messing with the line of questioning.

Well I promise I won't do that. My post was intended as a joke.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 17:17 GMT
#325
On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote:
Also Moosy how is KSC town is that a tone read?

Yes.

On August 01 2016 22:54 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking.

I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it.

This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy?

I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this.

However I have huge issues with this bit:

Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third.


No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean.
The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's.

I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia.

Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic!

As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things.

My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott.

I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away.

That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise).

explAin dood

Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative.

scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated.
His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post.

So do you think btdt's post was shit or good?

it was bad

So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post?

The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again.

btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial.
Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody.
He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town".

That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that.

He was pretty transparently lazy openly stating that he was only looking at the people voting for him and choosing the worst one.

I know that other people have townread people for similar things to Scott's +1 post. Celestial is one for sure. I'm sure there are others as well. I dunno, the more people push against me for my reads the more entrenched I am in them lol, and they weren't even that strong to begin with.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 17:22 GMT
#326
On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 02:18 Stutters695 wrote:
On August 01 2016 01:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 01 2016 00:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On August 01 2016 00:55 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 01 2016 00:50 Stutters695 wrote:
On August 01 2016 00:38 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 01 2016 00:25 Stutters695 wrote:
On July 31 2016 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey guys, totally reasonable Moosy chipping in here. My totally logical thoughts say that Race Bannon is spamming for the sake of spamming. As a man who employs this technique myself I say it's safe to ignore every post he makes and address him on a later date since he's basically guaranteed to act like a sack of potatoes all of D1.


Slight issue is that's totally unreasonable. He was completely capable of producing readable content as both alignments in previous games. This is probably an attempt to shift his meta, although it's almost inconsequential because it is incredibly anti-town.

You should read Race Bannon's blog. Page 2 is where it starts to really get good.

Can I get a tldr?

Gonna lynch him?

It is just the LONGEST stream of gibberish that I have ever seen. Celestial is right it looks like Race just got banned for 2 weeks, so a replacement should be on the way.

Based on his play so far I think he was more likely to be town.

Explain

Mafia tends to play a bit more subdued. I think there's a bit more fear of being lynched as mafia than town, and sometimes you feel more obligation to your team as mafia than town. I'm not really convinced Race cares too much either way though, so definitely not a certain read.

You've played more than enough games to know that isn't true. You scum dawg?

So this is a valid point, Grack's post is very out of order at that point, like what is your point? I agree, Race's spam is most definitely NAI cuz he does same shit even as host lol.
So why not just push it further? You caught something but not putting your ass on the line and pushing people. If you leave this just like that it's so bad.

Not a fan of this post. What kind of follow up did you expect from Stutters when he hasn't even posted since then?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 17:27 GMT
#329
On August 02 2016 02:24 Stutters695 wrote:
Grack, who is your biggest scumread and why?

I don't have any. Right now I'm just trying to narrow down who I want to vote between you/Skynx/J Roc/BtDt. Everyone else I don't want to lynch today.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 17:40 GMT
#333
On August 02 2016 02:35 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 02:27 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 02 2016 02:24 Stutters695 wrote:
Grack, who is your biggest scumread and why?

I don't have any. Right now I'm just trying to narrow down who I want to vote between you/Skynx/J Roc/BtDt. Everyone else I don't want to lynch today.


So not a single one of us sticks out above another to you?

Nope. I might have a slight preference for Skynx but my reasoning is too useless to even bother explaining. I've actually looked through filters quite a bit and I'm pretty much just calling it quits. I'm going to see if Rels shows up and see what he has to say.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 17:55 GMT
#336
Scott why is J Roc in your not lynch category?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 18:13 GMT
#344
On August 02 2016 03:11 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as actives go, Grack definitely seems like the best lynch. His thought process doesn't flow with a townie trying to find scum, yet he had been making substantially more effort for being so iffy about the game.

Care to explain? And I am making effort but the game is impossible when nobody posts.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 18:19 GMT
#351
On July 31 2016 18:18 Lunaticman wrote:
I'm just going to assume Bannon is town because of the excessive posting. He is doing the exact same thing I did last game only as a incomprehensible mess.

Actually why is everyone calling out my post when Lunatic posted a town read on Race Bannon for worse reasons?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 18:20 GMT
#352
On August 02 2016 03:18 Skynx wrote:
Rels should be the lynch I'm afraid. No one really sticks out to me.

I don't want to lynch Rels because he could be incredibly useful if he's town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 01 2016 18:25 GMT
#358
After reading some of BtDt's posts I actually want to lynch Lunatic. He's a lot less active this game and most of his filter has just been talking about me because I had fooled him in the last game.
On August 01 2016 12:11 Lunaticman wrote:
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On August 01 2016 11:44 -Celestial- wrote:
That'll have to do for tonight I'm afraid. Its nearly four in the morning. My brain was already starting to feel numb about half way through writing that.


First I just want to say what an incredible post, I love it!

Also no mafia would ever write a post that is so coherent so you are the best town lean in the game for me atm.

Tbh I didnt even realize rels was in the game, my god bring out another salt shacker for me lol.

Yeah also I think I misunderstood the term bussing, I think I was thinking of like a train? When someone stacks votes on a player. I dont know the proper terminology for it.

Be back in a couple of hours from work.

On August 01 2016 18:40 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 14:51 Skynx wrote:
On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:
On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post:
On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:
Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though.

But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC

On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted.


So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us.

On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game

##vote Race Bannon

See you all in a few days


Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post.
I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do.
##vote Kelsier SC


I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone.
I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak.


It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny?

He asked for people's opinions, I gave one, how's that being sceptical of anyone? Also previous games shouldn't have an effect on how you approach people if they are not massive trolls. If you feel like you have such a good feel in his playstyle after 1 game and can meta read him based off of that 24h into a new game please inform us.


That's what I did I must say I think he played brilliantly last game so of course I put him under the spotlight. I think he is probably town since it feels like he's intention is to solve the game atm. But he already fooled me once so we will have to wait and see I suppose.

I don't like this response post to Celestial. If he's spending so much time thinking about my alignment why doesn't he say anything about anything Celestial addressed aside from praising him for writing a long post. It just seems too bland to me.
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