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On July 27 2016 01:39 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 01:38 Rels wrote:On July 26 2016 23:07 emperorchampion wrote:
To be clear: let's not hammer until end of day. Unfortunately, this is going to be pretty difficult, since majority is 4, and there are 2 scum. That means 2 votes on someone is potential hammer so we should be a bit careful here. 100% Hammering is fucking stupid. That is why prp needs to explain exactly why he hammered yesterday. there's really nothing i could say that i didn't say already gotta admit i didn't expect you guys to freak out so much over it though can you just give some reads because the thread has completely stalled waiting for you
I'm catching up so you will have to wait a bit. What did you "say already" ? The only thing I remember was "I don't wanna wait" or something like that.
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On July 27 2016 01:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 23:00 Koshi wrote:On July 25 2016 22:55 Lunaticman wrote:
is there any particular reason why koshi and grac are playing like conjoined twins? If 2 people play exactly the same over a long period and not in the endgame it is almost always that they are both town. Never are they both mafia. Sometimes it is a mafia riding in the ass of the townie. But that can be deducted. Anyway. Can you do the % thing? Like this ↓ 1) Prplhz 75% 2) DCWasabi 75% 3) Skynx 50% 4) Lunaticman 60% 5) emperorchampion 0% 6) Rels 25% 7) sicklucker 60% 8) Gracaroni 0% 12) Koshi Maybe you are not mafia.
##unvote
##vote Prplhz This might have been the breadcrumb. I think he was the only one who was absolutely certain EC couldn't be mafia, at the very least.
OMG I remember that list, I remember very clearly thinking "Why the fuck am I not at 0% with Grac and EC when he's townreading us 3" at the time. 100% they are the green checks
Super nice find
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On July 27 2016 01:42 prplhz wrote:
no because he thought emperorchampion was mafia by looking at his filter
he read him, he didn't check him
one of his accusations against sicklucker was that sicklucker refused to see in emperorchampion's filter than emperorchampion was town. that accusation makes no sense if Koshi thought emperorchampion looked scummy enough to warrant a lynch.
That really, really looks like an obvious breadcrumb though. 2 checks, 2 people at 0%. I will have to reread his filter to check how he treated them two to be sure but it seems super convincing
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On July 26 2016 23:28 prplhz wrote:
this is leading nowhere town needs more flips so i will hammer myself if i get the chance
What is your motivation behind that post ?
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On July 27 2016 00:13 emperorchampion wrote:
I can't believe that I didn't piece together that koshi was cop yesterday, especially when he was posting about everybody needing to do the reads thing, since I had the exact same thought at the end of day 2 that we all need to post reads in order to hide our cop in the future since silent nights. His day 1 check was grack (really good check btw lol), and I was probably his day 2 check (likely due to the last minute vote). I know his day 1 check was grack because after grack posted about only towny people voting for tumble (great post btw), koshi switched there as well. He put 2 people as 0% mafia on his last list, grack and I. I am writing this part first to convince you that I'm town and not trying to deceive you at all in this. We should treat both grack and I confirmed town here.
LOL Grac you totally stole that from EC. p:
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prp can you answer my questions:
You said you couldn't explain your hammer more than you did already, but where did you justify yourself already ?
What is the thought process behind hammering yourself ?
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I'm caught up.
prp I'm pretty convinced you're scum. You have some time to convince me otherwise (unless another terrible dude hammer again today). Not gonna vote you until I reread your filter but this is what I have in mind. I think you are scum because:
- Koshi died, when before deadline he tunneled you hardcore for a short period of time, before going on sicklucker. I think if sicklucker had managed to prove his innocence he would have gone back to you.
- related to the above, you hammered sicklucker. Hammering is retarded, ESPECIALLY since sicklucker never had the chance to defend himself from the cases against him. Hammering after hearing sicklucker's defense and not believing it is kinda retarded too but less so; but you hammered him before he could speak, several hours before deadline. It's very possible you feared he would come back and prove his townieness, and the lynch would switch to you or your partner; hence the hammer.
- I remember a post from you in particular when you were on Tumblewood D2 where you were kinda on him but trying to lynch someone else. This is partner indicative; sitting on your partner to gain towncred in case he's lynched, but trying to save him because it's better if he doesn't die. I think Koshi had a good post about that during D3.
- when under pressure a few hours ago, you said you were going to hammer yourself, before going back on your word. There is no town motivation to do that. If you're dead, we have a fair chance to lose the game with all our blues being dead already. This looks like a bluff to make him seem like you're town to me.
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On July 27 2016 01:55 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 01:51 Rels wrote:
prp can you answer my questions:
You said you couldn't explain your hammer more than you did already, but where did you justify yourself already ?
What is the thought process behind hammering yourself ? i can't imagine any honest answer i could give to either of these questions that would be useful to you
If you're town, you did these retarded actions with an honest mindset. Describe what you felt at the time you did them.
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Now I'm going home, so I'll be AFK for a few hours. I'll see what you have to say tonight.
See you later folks (=
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Yo I'm drunk and too tired toplay so see yoi tomorrow,
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Don't you fucking dare hammering or I'll kill you
Unless you hammer a scum then you're ok
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On July 27 2016 02:36 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 02:07 Rels wrote:I'm caught up. prp I'm pretty convinced you're scum. You have some time to convince me otherwise (unless another terrible dude hammer again today). Not gonna vote you until I reread your filter but this is what I have in mind. I think you are scum because: - Koshi died, when before deadline he tunneled you hardcore for a short period of time, before going on sicklucker. I think if sicklucker had managed to prove his innocence he would have gone back to you.
- related to the above, you hammered sicklucker. Hammering is retarded, ESPECIALLY since sicklucker never had the chance to defend himself from the cases against him. Hammering after hearing sicklucker's defense and not believing it is kinda retarded too but less so; but you hammered him before he could speak, several hours before deadline. It's very possible you feared he would come back and prove his townieness, and the lynch would switch to you or your partner; hence the hammer.
- I remember a post from you in particular when you were on Tumblewood D2 where you were kinda on him but trying to lynch someone else. This is partner indicative; sitting on your partner to gain towncred in case he's lynched, but trying to save him because it's better if he doesn't die. I think Koshi had a good post about that during D3.
- when under pressure a few hours ago, you said you were going to hammer yourself, before going back on your word. There is no town motivation to do that. If you're dead, we have a fair chance to lose the game with all our blues being dead already. This looks like a bluff to make him seem like you're town to me.
eh okay this case is really bad generally you just make the wrong conclusions for what appears to be no reason gonna wait until you read my filter before responding but overall 1) koshi dying n3 means nothing 2) this narrative is retarded 3) talked about this already 4) hmm okay
On July 27 2016 02:37 prplhz wrote:
4) is literally "town has no reason to do this so you're scum doing it to look town" lol
This doesn't explain anything from what I've said.
In particular, the 4) point is something scum do all the time. "too scummy to be scum" is a thing scum do when they are in a bad spot.
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On July 27 2016 03:27 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 02:07 Rels wrote:I'm caught up. prp I'm pretty convinced you're scum. You have some time to convince me otherwise (unless another terrible dude hammer again today). Not gonna vote you until I reread your filter but this is what I have in mind. I think you are scum because: - Koshi died, when before deadline he tunneled you hardcore for a short period of time, before going on sicklucker. I think if sicklucker had managed to prove his innocence he would have gone back to you.
- related to the above, you hammered sicklucker. Hammering is retarded, ESPECIALLY since sicklucker never had the chance to defend himself from the cases against him. Hammering after hearing sicklucker's defense and not believing it is kinda retarded too but less so; but you hammered him before he could speak, several hours before deadline. It's very possible you feared he would come back and prove his townieness, and the lynch would switch to you or your partner; hence the hammer.
- I remember a post from you in particular when you were on Tumblewood D2 where you were kinda on him but trying to lynch someone else. This is partner indicative; sitting on your partner to gain towncred in case he's lynched, but trying to save him because it's better if he doesn't die. I think Koshi had a good post about that during D3.
- when under pressure a few hours ago, you said you were going to hammer yourself, before going back on your word. There is no town motivation to do that. If you're dead, we have a fair chance to lose the game with all our blues being dead already. This looks like a bluff to make him seem like you're town to me.
This case isn't nearly as convincing to me as your SL case yesterday. Points 1/4 are mostly just wifom. Prplhz's vote seems scummy in retrospect, but I think his story actually adds up. Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 02:01 prplhz wrote:
Kruppe the Eel is just jail keeper for now.
Koshi did a lot of work yesterday, both making cases and trying to steer town in the right direction. I already said that it would be weird of him to antagonize a town Palmar if he was just going to kill him anyway. I also think he's a good night kill so lynching him on d2 seems silly. Lets lynch him in LYLO or something, okay?
Skynx is going (or trying to go) 1v1 against a confirmed unlynchable townie. I assume scum isn't in a desperate nigh unwinnable situation after the mislynch so I don't think this is a hail mary scum strategy.
I'm fairly town?
Lunaticman is a lunatic but probably also town.
Palmar, nnn_thekushmountains, both pretty green according to Race Bannon's cases.
I'm going to go ahead and call sicklucker town too for now. We had the same thoughts about Kruppe the Eel's claim. I'm sure he's gonna come in here and say "I would do this as scum too" and "You would shoot as vigilante too" because that's very sickluckerish, but whatever.
That leaves:
Rels, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, emperorchampion, DCWasabi.
So I'm just going to read into those people at some point. Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 06:42 prplhz wrote:
this game would be so much easier if it was Tumblewood & DCWasabi & Grackaroni or something like that It's not too odd that he made a switch when he wasn't strongly favoring TW over DCW to begin with. And there's nothing prplhz said that would have prevented him from making a switch on to me if he really wanted to save TW. Prplhz would look bad if Tumblewood eventually got lynched, but I think he could have made the switch if he was already putting that much effort into saving TW by putting out a case on DCW. Point number two is pretty good. I think mafia would want the day to be over before Koshi changes his vote again when SL is getting lynched. But hammering isn't strange for Prplhz. Look at day 2. Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 00:42 prplhz wrote:
Tumblewood at 5 votes.
1 more and it's hammer and goodbye and silence. Lunatic's story of trying to lay a trap for the mafia by encouraging wagons on Koshi/TW and then wanting to kill SL for not voting TW seems more suspicious to me.
K I will reread exactly what happened EOD2.
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On July 27 2016 04:54 prplhz wrote:
there
i can bluff about being the last vote on me but not about being the first vote on me
not lynching Lunaticman in a million years
It doesn't make any more sense from a town perspective though.
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On July 27 2016 18:19 Lunaticman wrote:
How much time is left?
Something like 12h30
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If the deadline didn't get screwed up by the hammer
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So. Let's read prp's filter.
This got wxay longer that I initially thought, I'll try to insert some formatting but it still probably going to be a big mess.
Day 1
prp's D1 was meh. Pretty passive, get a vote going on me just to see what happens. Nothing very townie or scummy.
His EOD1 is scum indicative. He comes back around 2 hours before deadline and has a series of posts during 1 hour in which he pushes a Kruppe lynch, starting with and ending with these posts:
On July 22 2016 04:47 prplhz wrote:
when is deadline
On July 22 2016 05:42 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 05:40 Lunaticman wrote:On July 22 2016 05:37 prplhz wrote:On July 22 2016 05:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:On July 22 2016 05:35 Rels wrote:On July 22 2016 05:34 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe's vote will stay on traitor Skynx. Why ? Because Kruppe feels a malicious aura radiate from him! Dude, you know that this isn't particularly helping. Please answer my question. Just vote with me and stay up for the deadline. Otherwise it's KAPOW!
Not long after that post, Kruppe claims in thread:
On July 22 2016 05:54 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe has decided. The wolves are not backing out. The friends are too shaken by the mysteries surrounding Kruppe.
Kruppe is an adept in truth.
Then prp disappears for 1 hour, only coming back 15 minute before deadline.
Scum has a hard time deadling with new info, especially around deadline when a mistake can get you lynched easily. Here prp was pushing a lynch for 1 hour on Kruppe; Kruppe claimed; then prp disappears without re evaluating. This is scum indicative.
As I said, he comes back 15 minutes before deadline, saying he doesn't want to lynch kush, then agreeing to lynch him anyway:
On July 22 2016 06:44 prplhz wrote:
I don't want to lynch nnn_thekushmountains!!!
On July 22 2016 06:52 prplhz wrote:
I'm switching to Rels. I'm really unsure but I don't think nnn_thekushmountains is scum. I just agreed with some of his things too much to want to lynch him on d1.
On July 22 2016 06:56 prplhz wrote:
Hmm okay after reading his filter again I guess we can lynch nnn_thekushmountains.
Sorry dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
There is no reasonning explaining this switch.
That is it for D1. Starting to read his D2.
Day 2
On July 22 2016 19:54 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 19:50 Kruppe the Eel wrote:On July 22 2016 19:49 prplhz wrote:On July 22 2016 19:47 Kruppe the Eel wrote:On July 22 2016 19:47 prplhz wrote:On July 22 2016 19:47 Kruppe the Eel wrote:On July 22 2016 19:46 prplhz wrote:On July 22 2016 19:44 Kruppe the Eel wrote:On July 22 2016 19:20 prplhz wrote:
why shoot Palmar over Koshi when we have no protective roles
not calling Koshi scum at all, i'm more thinking that it's a good idea to reconsider most things
but they're gonna shoot Kruppe the Eel n2 so we'll have Koshi for a while And why is Kruppe not a traitor spouting lies? Kruppe asks of you, prplhz, where do you get your info? because no cc? What sort of Warren does most innocent Kruppe tap into? i don't understand this post What sort of adept does prplhz believe Kruppe to be? i thought you were a cop? i guess it's easy to misunderstand the things you're saying WHEN YOU INSIST ON OBSCURING EVERYTHING AND TALKING LIKE A LUNATIC i need a break Why did you think this? Because Rels said so? The Rels you had a scumread on? Kruppe raises his eyebrow most vehemently! maybe grackaroni said it (hurr durr also scumread him) and maybe a bunch of people said it pretty much simultaneously and maybe "adept in truth" sounds a lot more like a COP, a guy who INVESTIGATES PEOPLE to find out the TRUTH about them and not so much like a MEDIC who HEALS PEOPLE or a VIGILANTE who SHOOTS PEOPLE IN THE FACE or a WHATEVER who PUTS THEM IN PRISON i'm trying to make sense of this thing where you claim blue but not a role. but then again, you really seemed to claim cop so i don't know if you're just messing around and wasting everybody's (my) time right now.
I remember thinking the whole series of posts where prp gets super angry at Kruppe was super townie. Reading it I thought prp was blue and was pressuring Kruppe hard so he could CC him if Kruppe said the wrong role though. And immediately after Kruppe finally claims, prp townreads him instantly:
On July 22 2016 20:40 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 20:38 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe wonders who among you is truly blind and who is a traitor. But alas, you deny Kruppe the information because you are short-sighted. yea okay you can be town now were you roleblocked?
So I thought prp was another role than JK and that explained (1) his frustration at Kruppe not claiming clearly and (2) his sudden townread of Kruppe when he finally claimed.
But it turns out that prp is not a role, so I find it a little bit weird he felt so frustrated at Kruppe not claiming an exact role. I mean, I was pretty sure he was some sort of cop 'cause he said he was a "keeper of the truth" or something like that. If prp is scum he pressured Kruppe into claiming his role because this info is a good info to have as scum. It might be possible.
I don't think it indicate specifically that prp is scum but I don't think it indicates that prp is town either. Both alignment had motivation to do what he did.
On July 24 2016 00:42 prplhz wrote:
Tumblewood at 5 votes.
1 more and it's hammer and goodbye and silence.
On July 24 2016 00:58 prplhz wrote:
It's more reasonable to lynch Tumblewood. But this lynch does feel a little easy. Compared to how he keeps saying that Kruppe the Eel should be lynched, this is fairly reasonable.
These posts might indicate that prp and Tumble are partner. His attitude is the indicator: he's OK lynching Tumble (to gain towncred if case he's lynched) but bringing up arguments against it at the same time (because Tumble living would be better). I'm pretty sure Koshi summarized these posts better, let me see.
Yep talking about this:
On July 25 2016 18:21 Koshi wrote:Here prplhz moves back to Tumble: Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 00:42 prplhz wrote:
Tumblewood at 5 votes.
1 more and it's hammer and goodbye and silence. But even though he had Tumble as mafia before he moved with me to DCW, he still undermines the tumble lynch: Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 00:57 prplhz wrote:On July 24 2016 00:54 Lunaticman wrote:
Well isnt it strange we are almost auto lynching tumble? First reasonable thing you've said all game. Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 00:58 prplhz wrote:
It's more reasonable to lynch Tumblewood. But this lynch does feel a little easy. Compared to how he keeps saying that Kruppe the Eel should be lynched, this is fairly reasonable. Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 04:36 prplhz wrote:
the alternative to lynching Tumblewood is not lynching anyone
this is a pretty bad situation for town if Tumblewood is town Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 04:39 prplhz wrote:
I'd much rather just MURDER DCWasabi. He seems to be putting noticably less deliberation into the game than he did last game. You could say that carefree reads would ostensibly point to town but it just seems like he doesn't care as much about pushing his ideas as he did the last two games I played with him.
Like just now, just 5 minutes of going through Tumblewood's filter and posting a couple of posts with a one liner smacked on them. Just doesn't seem like how he posted in the other games, he would be more inquisitive and then when he had an idea he would push it. This just seems like "you guys do whatever as long as I have some deniability for whatever's happeneing". He bussed.
That is it for D2.
Day 3
Nothing stands out. Apart from the hammer.
On July 26 2016 04:12 prplhz wrote:
Hammer.
##Vote sicklucker
Koshi
Rels
Grackaroni
All good townies, lets see who they want to lynch.
Yes, I know you're gonna get mad about this emperorchampion but I'm bored and I wanna see some blood.
As stated multiple time already, hammering is super bad. Hammering SEVERAL HOURS before deadline and BEFORE sicklucker had a chance to talk.
See, it doesn't make any kind of sense. EVEN if sicklucker was confirmed scum in prp's mind (and if he is town I can believe it is the case since I was super convinced too), sicklucker's defending himself bring information to the thread, specifically we could have seen how people reacts to it. But we were denied of this info by the hammer.
Now the justification is bad too. "I'm bored and I wanna see some blood". It doesn't justify doing the single worse thing that happened in this game.
Day 4
Not much to say about it yet. I don't understand the self-vote but I concede it's bad as either alignment.
Conclusion
Scum.
##Vote prplhz
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On July 27 2016 18:52 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 18:08 Rels wrote:On July 27 2016 02:36 prplhz wrote:On July 27 2016 02:07 Rels wrote:I'm caught up. prp I'm pretty convinced you're scum. You have some time to convince me otherwise (unless another terrible dude hammer again today). Not gonna vote you until I reread your filter but this is what I have in mind. I think you are scum because: - Koshi died, when before deadline he tunneled you hardcore for a short period of time, before going on sicklucker. I think if sicklucker had managed to prove his innocence he would have gone back to you.
- related to the above, you hammered sicklucker. Hammering is retarded, ESPECIALLY since sicklucker never had the chance to defend himself from the cases against him. Hammering after hearing sicklucker's defense and not believing it is kinda retarded too but less so; but you hammered him before he could speak, several hours before deadline. It's very possible you feared he would come back and prove his townieness, and the lynch would switch to you or your partner; hence the hammer.
- I remember a post from you in particular when you were on Tumblewood D2 where you were kinda on him but trying to lynch someone else. This is partner indicative; sitting on your partner to gain towncred in case he's lynched, but trying to save him because it's better if he doesn't die. I think Koshi had a good post about that during D3.
- when under pressure a few hours ago, you said you were going to hammer yourself, before going back on your word. There is no town motivation to do that. If you're dead, we have a fair chance to lose the game with all our blues being dead already. This looks like a bluff to make him seem like you're town to me.
eh okay this case is really bad generally you just make the wrong conclusions for what appears to be no reason gonna wait until you read my filter before responding but overall 1) koshi dying n3 means nothing 2) this narrative is retarded 3) talked about this already 4) hmm okay On July 27 2016 02:37 prplhz wrote:
4) is literally "town has no reason to do this so you're scum doing it to look town" lol This doesn't explain anything from what I've said. In particular, the 4) point is something scum do all the time. "too scummy to be scum" is a thing scum do when they are in a bad spot. i don't even know what you're trying to say but Grackaroni explained everything rather well even though i disagree with his answer to 2) because of something you mention right here. the "bad spot" thing. the only "good" thing to come out of this for scum was 3 hours less of discussion. but why would scum put themselves in my position for 3 hours less discussion? was that really worth it? didn't everything in the thread point at a sicklucker lynch anyway? was anyone else (me or my scumbuddy) even tangentially threatened? did anything indicate that in those 3 hours, something bad would actually happen for scum? the thread and the town was like this: a lot of people wanted to kill sicklucker and Koshi was sort of all over the place for a couple of hours but then he settled down. i don't really remember what other people wanted because it wasn't really fleshed out enough and rather unlikely to happen anyway. why would scum feel like they had to risk anything to hammer under those circumstances? and you can say it was because Koshi thought i was scum for a total of 6½ minutes but he completely turned around on that after i wrote two more posts. you can also read my replies to his accusations and see if i feel threatened or pressured or whatever. post some quotes. the idea that we town could've used those 3 hours of discussion and therefore anyone who openly denies town these 3 hours is 100% scum is just naïve. and generally wrong.
You analysis of the hammer is super bad. You're saying "3 hours less of discussion doesn't bring anything to the scumteam". This is the opposite of the truth.
sicklucker was killed before he had a chance to react to the votes on him. If he had a chance to defend, he muight have been able to prove his townieness and someone else could haveb een lynched. Him getting lynched instantly without the possibility of this happening was GOOD for the scumteam.
Yes, shenannies happens all the time. This is fucking wrong:
but why would scum put themselves in my position for 3 hours less discussion? was that really worth it? didn't everything in the thread point at a sicklucker lynch anyway? was anyone else (me or my scumbuddy) even tangentially threatened? did anything indicate that in those 3 hours, something bad would actually happen for scum?
In mafia, and especially in TL mafia, it happens ALL THE TIME that the lynch is changed last minute. Only in this game, it happened D1, it almsot happened D2; and counting every game on this website I'm suer at least half of the lynches weren't the leading wagons 1 hour before deadline.
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On July 27 2016 19:08 prplhz wrote:
this case is beyond weak
You can always concede
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On July 27 2016 19:12 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 19:10 Rels wrote:On July 27 2016 19:08 prplhz wrote:
this case is beyond weak You can always concede okay i concede
is this legit
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