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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 14:02 GMT
#647
Lunaticman


Stop annoying this man. Work with him. Not against him.

You will see he is town if you work with him.

Stop your tunnels.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 14:06 GMT
#654
On July 21 2016 23:01 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 22:59 Koshi wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:57 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:53 Koshi wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:43 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:37 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:24 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:45 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:40 Skynx wrote:
So I'm assuming you sr Palmar based on the fact that he voted you without any reason to save his scumbuddy emp?


It sure seems that way to me, unless you have something to add.

how does this make ANY sense when emperorchapmion isn't even your scum read

you're literally saying Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum. but emperorchampion isn't scum but Palmar is still scum.

???


No.

Ec was accused of being scummy because of a meta read.

I thought the accusation was interesting and valid. I voted for him because of it.

He defended himself by accusing me, I explained why that was a mistake and that it would have gotten him lynched IRL.

Palmer springs up and tries to redirect the attention and makes a several contradictions which makes him super scummy in my eyes.

I vote for Palmer.

Everyone starts to question my reads and the way I play which makes me think I am onto something. I just think I hit a nerve and I won't let it go unless Palmer hard claims a blue role.


but Skynx is saying you are scumreading Palmar because he tries to attract attention on himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion

you agree with this

so you think Palmar is scum because he tries to attract attention to himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion

but you are not scumreading emperorchampion

it's literally what the post said???

ALSO

why would whatever get someone lynched irl, but not here? why is it scummy irl but not here?

prplhz,

Better not stare blindly in what lunatic says why Palmar is mafia and discard the idea because you disagree.
Please read Palmar his filter and tell me why Palmar is town? You probably can't. Please do not defend Palmar solely because you disagree with Lunatic. It doesn't help town.

Palmar might very well be mafia.

that's not my problem, yes Palmar could be mafia

Skynx is asking Lunaticman is he is scumreading Palmar because Palmar is defending his scumbuddy emperorchampion. Lunaticman says that that is exactly what is happening.

This associative business is shady in itself, but Lunaticman isn't even scumreading emperorchampion.

Explain this to me like I'm stupid. He is saying "Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum" but he doesn't think emperorchampion is scum???

I was the first to say that was bullshit. In the thread. Posts started with:
...

Really

...


But LET IT GO... Do not stare blindly on 1 thing this lunatic guy says. He has a 7 (maybe 8 now) filter and he is not backing down. You can tell him another 1000 times that he doesn't make sense and he will tell you 1001 times he does...

If you think it makes him mafia. Fine. But I don't think it does.

He really believes Palmar is mafia for this reason. While we think that reason is bad. He still believes it.


It's townie.

HMM OKAY

i know i should ignore Lunaticman for now but it's just so hard!!!

Anyway, Palmar could be mafia. But we're not lynching him today. And if you're town, could be dead tomorrow. It's fine that you're pushing the idea that Palmar could be mafia but please don't push the idea that we should lynch him today.

Fine. I can kill the eel as well. Or Rels.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 14:08 GMT
#659
I have actually a good reason why Palmar is town:

On July 21 2016 04:15 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 04:02 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 04:01 Palmar wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:57 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:53 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:27 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread

Without ever rolling town he doesn't know how to be town its simple. Even he does exact opposite of what he did its forced and noticeable.


Based on this I'm putting down my vote for now on EC.

Even if he turns green you will be the next auto lynch. Or rather a blue should check you during the night to save a lynch target.

I will change the vote if someone comes up with a better argument for a d1 lynch.

What does emperors alignment has anything to do with mine? I haven't even read him yet.
Also you say what i just said is convincing enough for you to vote on ec. But i didn't say anything new or something related to his specific behaviour here.
So, thats kind of a shitty vote. Why is he mafia?


I think it was a good argument, and votes generate friction, which generates more content. I am totally fine voting for someone if I think the argument is good enough especially on day 1. What I find confusing is why you would demote your own arugment, that is very strange.

I actually think he is fighting for his life as a townie, but the day is far from over.


I dunno if this makes sense. Why would you vote for a town person?

Also I am far from fighting for my life. I am "defending" my self from tumble because his arguments are so weak, they are leading me to think that he might be scum.


Voting for people is a common tactic this generates pressure which generates misstakes, you can switch your vote anytime unless I am missing something.


Go forth and make mistakes my friend


Maybe you should give us a list of our reads so far and some thoughts. You have been chilling far to much.


ok.

100% town - aka never lynching.
Prplhz
Skynx

Likely town:
Tumblewood
emperorchampion
Rels

Null, no reason to lynch but no real reason to townread
Palmar
DCWasabi
Koshi
Gracaroni

null, possibly scum because I haven't really noticed them
nnn_thekushmountains
Lunaticman

Scummy/possibly mafia
sicklucker
Kruppe the eel


The (better) townreads in this list were really fast and on point. prplhz, EC and Skynx.

Would be bad play if Palmar is mafia. Well... Not bad play, but it would hurt mafia agenda.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 14:10 GMT
#661
On July 21 2016 23:07 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 23:05 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:03 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:01 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:54 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:48 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:37 Koshi wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:29 Skynx wrote:
[quote]
Well, how that applies to you is that Palmar was trolling when he said "I'm rookie" or "I forgot my reasons, sry". You should have felt no pressure if you were town and simply laugh in his face. But the way you reacted to this whole situation makes you vote worthy from my pow.

7 pages of filter. It makes sense that he has a lot of things in it that you don't agree with. Question is, did he things only a mafia would do? Or did he things that only a townie would do?

If you don't have any of those, better not lynch him D1 just because his style pisses you off.

His style doesn't piss me off. If we take his actions totally serious he's like confirmed mafia in my eyes. His style suggests that he's not aware of certain stuff behind posts and takes non-serious things for real and vice versa. I reasoned my original slight scumlean based off of that, that ok he might pick up on the game when he gets familiar but he said stuff so far that must always get him lynched at one point.
My only concern is he's prolly town.

I don't see how any of his actions make him mafia.
Not understanding a post and just reply to it is most of the time townie. Mafia tends to make sure they wont look bad.
This guy doesn't care about that. He plays free and posts w.e he likes.

On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:27 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:
[quote]
Without ever rolling town he doesn't know how to be town its simple. Even he does exact opposite of what he did its forced and noticeable.


Based on this I'm putting down my vote for now on EC.

Even if he turns green you will be the next auto lynch. Or rather a blue should check you during the night to save a lynch target.

I will change the vote if someone comes up with a better argument for a d1 lynch.

What does emperors alignment has anything to do with mine? I haven't even read him yet.
Also you say what i just said is convincing enough for you to vote on ec. But i didn't say anything new or something related to his specific behaviour here.
So, thats kind of a shitty vote. Why is he mafia?


I think it was a good argument, and votes generate friction, which generates more content. I am totally fine voting for someone if I think the argument is good enough especially on day 1. What I find confusing is why you would demote your own arugment, that is very strange.

I actually think he is fighting for his life as a townie, but the day is far from over.

On July 21 2016 04:13 Lunaticman wrote:
I see Palmer voted for me without even giving a reason, that is super scummy.

These two specifically imo makes him scummy.
1st one he doesn't have his own reasoning for his vote, makes it a safe play. Do you see the " oh I vote emp cuz of your point but if he's green than you are scum" ? That's like super bad, I also questioned someone who said something similar last game. I think it was emperor.
2nd one not exactly this quote but the overall phonomenon of reacting to Palmar vote. Ok I see how he scumreads him cuz of no reasoning but thats exactly what he did with vote on emperor?


The difference is I did the first vote in the game, and I said it was to generate content. I just don't see why it is beyond you. Someone has to put down the first vote and start finding a lynch target. I really had no intention to lynch EC, I just wanted to see where that got us.

The response however by Palmer in my mind is to scummy to let go. But by all means if you find someone better to lynch please persuade me.

It didn't generate any content. emperor felt no pressure from your vote.

The fact that YOU try to reason your vote with "to generate content" is so scummy on its own.

Kruppe, sicklucker and you are better lynches.


Kruppe does wonder, dear Skynx, what has changed from poor Kruppe's play compared to last time we met that you would point a (hopefully blunt) finger at Kruppe?

Nothing my dear. You do nothing towny or scummy. You are intentionally being unreadible, an asset that does not benefit town in any way.


Kruppe does wonder, possible friend; are you discontent with the color of your envelope? Is Skynx not curious as to its meaning? Is the mystery not riveting!?

I am interested tbh. But in the red envelopes. Especially the one Rels got.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 14:14 GMT
#664
On July 21 2016 23:08 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 23:01 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:59 Koshi wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:57 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:53 Koshi wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:43 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:37 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:24 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:45 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:40 Skynx wrote:
So I'm assuming you sr Palmar based on the fact that he voted you without any reason to save his scumbuddy emp?


It sure seems that way to me, unless you have something to add.

how does this make ANY sense when emperorchapmion isn't even your scum read

you're literally saying Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum. but emperorchampion isn't scum but Palmar is still scum.

???


No.

Ec was accused of being scummy because of a meta read.

I thought the accusation was interesting and valid. I voted for him because of it.

He defended himself by accusing me, I explained why that was a mistake and that it would have gotten him lynched IRL.

Palmer springs up and tries to redirect the attention and makes a several contradictions which makes him super scummy in my eyes.

I vote for Palmer.

Everyone starts to question my reads and the way I play which makes me think I am onto something. I just think I hit a nerve and I won't let it go unless Palmer hard claims a blue role.


but Skynx is saying you are scumreading Palmar because he tries to attract attention on himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion

you agree with this

so you think Palmar is scum because he tries to attract attention to himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion

but you are not scumreading emperorchampion

it's literally what the post said???

ALSO

why would whatever get someone lynched irl, but not here? why is it scummy irl but not here?

prplhz,

Better not stare blindly in what lunatic says why Palmar is mafia and discard the idea because you disagree.
Please read Palmar his filter and tell me why Palmar is town? You probably can't. Please do not defend Palmar solely because you disagree with Lunatic. It doesn't help town.

Palmar might very well be mafia.

that's not my problem, yes Palmar could be mafia

Skynx is asking Lunaticman is he is scumreading Palmar because Palmar is defending his scumbuddy emperorchampion. Lunaticman says that that is exactly what is happening.

This associative business is shady in itself, but Lunaticman isn't even scumreading emperorchampion.

Explain this to me like I'm stupid. He is saying "Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum" but he doesn't think emperorchampion is scum???

I was the first to say that was bullshit. In the thread. Posts started with:
...

Really

...


But LET IT GO... Do not stare blindly on 1 thing this lunatic guy says. He has a 7 (maybe 8 now) filter and he is not backing down. You can tell him another 1000 times that he doesn't make sense and he will tell you 1001 times he does...

If you think it makes him mafia. Fine. But I don't think it does.

He really believes Palmar is mafia for this reason. While we think that reason is bad. He still believes it.


It's townie.

HMM OKAY

i know i should ignore Lunaticman for now but it's just so hard!!!

Anyway, Palmar could be mafia. But we're not lynching him today. And if you're town, could be dead tomorrow. It's fine that you're pushing the idea that Palmar could be mafia but please don't push the idea that we should lynch him today.


I wont stop until someone gives me a better target.

Can you give me your full opinion on this guy? Even if he is town. Can you tell me why?
DCWasabi
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 14:16 GMT
#669
On July 21 2016 23:13 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 23:10 Koshi wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:07 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:05 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:03 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:01 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:54 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:48 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:37 Koshi wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote:
[quote]
His style doesn't piss me off. If we take his actions totally serious he's like confirmed mafia in my eyes. His style suggests that he's not aware of certain stuff behind posts and takes non-serious things for real and vice versa. I reasoned my original slight scumlean based off of that, that ok he might pick up on the game when he gets familiar but he said stuff so far that must always get him lynched at one point.
My only concern is he's prolly town.

I don't see how any of his actions make him mafia.
Not understanding a post and just reply to it is most of the time townie. Mafia tends to make sure they wont look bad.
This guy doesn't care about that. He plays free and posts w.e he likes.

On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote:
[quote]
What does emperors alignment has anything to do with mine? I haven't even read him yet.
Also you say what i just said is convincing enough for you to vote on ec. But i didn't say anything new or something related to his specific behaviour here.
So, thats kind of a shitty vote. Why is he mafia?


I think it was a good argument, and votes generate friction, which generates more content. I am totally fine voting for someone if I think the argument is good enough especially on day 1. What I find confusing is why you would demote your own arugment, that is very strange.

I actually think he is fighting for his life as a townie, but the day is far from over.

On July 21 2016 04:13 Lunaticman wrote:
I see Palmer voted for me without even giving a reason, that is super scummy.

These two specifically imo makes him scummy.
1st one he doesn't have his own reasoning for his vote, makes it a safe play. Do you see the " oh I vote emp cuz of your point but if he's green than you are scum" ? That's like super bad, I also questioned someone who said something similar last game. I think it was emperor.
2nd one not exactly this quote but the overall phonomenon of reacting to Palmar vote. Ok I see how he scumreads him cuz of no reasoning but thats exactly what he did with vote on emperor?


The difference is I did the first vote in the game, and I said it was to generate content. I just don't see why it is beyond you. Someone has to put down the first vote and start finding a lynch target. I really had no intention to lynch EC, I just wanted to see where that got us.

The response however by Palmer in my mind is to scummy to let go. But by all means if you find someone better to lynch please persuade me.

It didn't generate any content. emperor felt no pressure from your vote.

The fact that YOU try to reason your vote with "to generate content" is so scummy on its own.

Kruppe, sicklucker and you are better lynches.


Kruppe does wonder, dear Skynx, what has changed from poor Kruppe's play compared to last time we met that you would point a (hopefully blunt) finger at Kruppe?

Nothing my dear. You do nothing towny or scummy. You are intentionally being unreadible, an asset that does not benefit town in any way.


Kruppe does wonder, possible friend; are you discontent with the color of your envelope? Is Skynx not curious as to its meaning? Is the mystery not riveting!?

I am interested tbh. But in the red envelopes. Especially the one Rels got.


Mayhaps the envelope Rels receives differs from your own, friend Koshi. Mayhaps. Not even Kruppe himself is sure yet (or is he?)!

##vote Kruppe the Eel

It is funny till it isn't. If you want to roleplay and keep it fun and not get lynched you need to move faster. Atm you are stalling and giving town nothing.

The best roleplay I ever saw was the guy who made the newspaper in some big game. That was sooo good.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 14:20 GMT
#673
On July 21 2016 23:15 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:01 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:59 Koshi wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:57 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:53 Koshi wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:43 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:37 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:24 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:45 Lunaticman wrote:
[quote]

It sure seems that way to me, unless you have something to add.

how does this make ANY sense when emperorchapmion isn't even your scum read

you're literally saying Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum. but emperorchampion isn't scum but Palmar is still scum.

???


No.

Ec was accused of being scummy because of a meta read.

I thought the accusation was interesting and valid. I voted for him because of it.

He defended himself by accusing me, I explained why that was a mistake and that it would have gotten him lynched IRL.

Palmer springs up and tries to redirect the attention and makes a several contradictions which makes him super scummy in my eyes.

I vote for Palmer.

Everyone starts to question my reads and the way I play which makes me think I am onto something. I just think I hit a nerve and I won't let it go unless Palmer hard claims a blue role.


but Skynx is saying you are scumreading Palmar because he tries to attract attention on himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion

you agree with this

so you think Palmar is scum because he tries to attract attention to himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion

but you are not scumreading emperorchampion

it's literally what the post said???

ALSO

why would whatever get someone lynched irl, but not here? why is it scummy irl but not here?

prplhz,

Better not stare blindly in what lunatic says why Palmar is mafia and discard the idea because you disagree.
Please read Palmar his filter and tell me why Palmar is town? You probably can't. Please do not defend Palmar solely because you disagree with Lunatic. It doesn't help town.

Palmar might very well be mafia.

that's not my problem, yes Palmar could be mafia

Skynx is asking Lunaticman is he is scumreading Palmar because Palmar is defending his scumbuddy emperorchampion. Lunaticman says that that is exactly what is happening.

This associative business is shady in itself, but Lunaticman isn't even scumreading emperorchampion.

Explain this to me like I'm stupid. He is saying "Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum" but he doesn't think emperorchampion is scum???

I was the first to say that was bullshit. In the thread. Posts started with:
...

Really

...


But LET IT GO... Do not stare blindly on 1 thing this lunatic guy says. He has a 7 (maybe 8 now) filter and he is not backing down. You can tell him another 1000 times that he doesn't make sense and he will tell you 1001 times he does...

If you think it makes him mafia. Fine. But I don't think it does.

He really believes Palmar is mafia for this reason. While we think that reason is bad. He still believes it.


It's townie.

HMM OKAY

i know i should ignore Lunaticman for now but it's just so hard!!!

Anyway, Palmar could be mafia. But we're not lynching him today. And if you're town, could be dead tomorrow. It's fine that you're pushing the idea that Palmar could be mafia but please don't push the idea that we should lynch him today.

Fine. I can kill the eel as well. Or Rels.


Koshi I understand that you want to push teams this game and not individual players, but your links between the team mates are very tenuous. Personally, I find that rels has looked pretty towny so far. The bit where you say that scum will include 1 other scum is an interesting point that I completely agree with, but your scum conclusion of kruppe seems to be based off of Palmar's post. As you said, kruppe is null (I suppose before his reads post, which may have changed things).

So I agree with a lot of the points that you've made, and I do think that Palmar's reads list was pretty shoddy. However, especially the rels part feels like a huge stretch.

No. I have a list of 5-6 players depending on tumbleweed and it is just funny that those people did that. The reason I think Palmar/Kruppe/Rels are possible mafia have nothing to do with those posts.

Palmar: can be mafia because it is simply still possible. You saw I had 1 reason to townread Palmar but it isn't enough.
Kruppe: Doing nothing.
Rels: His 3 scumtargets in his scumlist rub me the wrong way. Not enough focus on them before he made the list. Just 1 comment to justify the position. But nowhere there was any really pushing or convincing the thread.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 14:22 GMT
#679
On July 21 2016 08:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
So for people to actually lynch:
kruppe, sl, rels

Anyone else?

This is actually a very good list. I wonder if Palmar voted Kush after or before this list. Because if it is after this list... Bad news!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 14:24 GMT
#680
On July 21 2016 23:20 Grackaroni wrote:
I still think Kush has a good chance of being mafia, but it's pretty clear by now that nobody else thinks so and I don't think there's much I can do about that.

Kush changed his playstyle. If he is looking at the right place he shouldn't be lynched until he shows face.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 14:29 GMT
#686
On July 21 2016 05:40 Palmar wrote:
##vote: nnn_thekushmountains

ok it was before....

Not bad news for Palmar. Might have encouraged kush to give us a good list

slightly townlean:
13) Palmar

null and wouldn't lynch:
9) nnn_thekushmountains
10) Tumblewood

mafia:
11) Kruppe the eel
6) Rels
7) sicklucker



I am off atm. All other people are town atm for me. I'll be back but like I said I don't want to push a lynch. Just kill one of the mafia dudes.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 14:29 GMT
#687
On July 21 2016 23:27 Lunaticman wrote:
I think Koshi right now might be the best investigator target followed by EC.

He has really backed me in the thread the last few pages but I don't know if that is good or bad. If he is scum I will never see it.

I hope Palmer goes online soon and hardclaims a role.

We don't claim roles...
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 16:00 GMT
#737
On July 21 2016 23:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 23:37 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:36 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:34 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:30 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:28 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:21 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:20 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:49 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 21 2016 17:56 Skynx wrote:
And that's basically it. Few pointers in that case

Town lean: emperor, haze, DCW
Not entirely town yet but not lynching today lol: Palmar, Koshi, kush, Tumble

Total Null/Inactive/Needs to step up: Rels, Kruppe, sicklucker
Slight scumlean: Lunatic
Bit more scumlean: Grack Fields


Town leans are mainly feels due to general posting style/tone. Only emperor is not scum that he was in previous games for few reasons that will remain hidden cuz that might change.
Palmar is Palmar, he can lynch his godfather teammate for towncred or contribute very low but precise to lynch scum 1 by 1, needs more time but I like him tone based so far.
Koshi is slightly odd and different to how I know him but that might be because he's a changed man now.
kush is kush, similar to palmar.
Tumble's push I don't find necessarily well constructed but he did progress the game from that miserable spam dump we turned it into so props for that. Needs more time to read.
Rels came in, made some few remarks about game/roles and left, nothing to note really.
Kruppe is on another dimension but Palmar is sure he's mafia hmmmm
sl is sl
Points on Lunatic explained eariler

Grack I have a scumlean on for few reasons. First he admitted to lurk but did not declare it to thread in a towny way like haze. He than townread Tumble for interacting with Lunatic in quick succession which is weak at best. Mafia doesn't have to coordinate small stuff like that, people should be capable of engaging in conversation without giving away too much as mafia. On top of all it could be svs.
[quote]
Now he realises something is fishy about Lunatic but that is such a weak push considering Lunatic's plays/reads/vote so far made no sense. He's right about that but kinda needs to build up on it.

Then turns to kush, which he gives mixed impressions on why he scumreads him:
[quote]
This contribution for sake of contribution argument is getting a trend. Kush has been pretty similar to how he plays normally. On top of that there were so many other players like how you described kush such as Palmar and haze, why they are not scum?
Then you turn to tone based read.
Then you turn to wow 8 people scumread wtf.
I just don't see what in there makes kush a perfect lynch today.

Also[quote]
how you so sure about kush meta and tone then?

Where did I say I was lurking?
Those were just things I've noticed on Lunatic not a push.
I think I've explained fairly clearly why I like a Kush lynch. Palmar/Haze's attitude didn't strike me as off in a scummy way like Kush's did.

On July 21 2016 05:17 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok I've been taking notes.


This is lurking. You were following the thread but we didn't know about it. It's tactical it seems.
On Lunatic and kush, well I guess we just have differing opinions then.

I wasn't sitting here taking notes all day long and not posting, I took notes as I read through the thread.

I see. Who are you ok with lynching other than kush?

Sicklucker/kruppe/rels are all fine lynches for day 1. Koshi seems to be getting more involved with the thread right now, which is good.

I'm not sure about rels. I hold sl/palmar almost same in terms of lynchability. Kruppe I'm fine with if he keeps same attitude.

Can you explain the kruppe read? He seems unreadable.

That's it, he's unreadable.

I usually read people like him town and so far it's worked out

That's just because chance on rolling town > chance on rolling mafia
You should decide to lynch people like him when your PoE allows it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 16:08 GMT
#740
On July 22 2016 00:38 Palmar wrote:
Grack should not be lynched, and Kruppe is just a blind luck policy lynch (which is fine and I don't mind).

Not completely blind. PoE policy lynch. His odds on being mafia are bigger than 3/13. More like 3/6 or so.

50/50
good odds.

Rels is a good lynch, but if he is town I would feel worse than Kruppe ending up being town.






I shall go read that Onegu game and see if Kruppe actually advanced the games there for his own pleasure. I think he did. Not sure. I shall check.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 16:11 GMT
#743
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511409-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia?user=Kruppe the Eel

You see? I don't even have to read till the end of his first page to see he is advancing the game in his own style. Which was pretty fun when I read it.


This game? Nothing.


It is not blind luck. He is way more underwhelming than his last game. He was one of the first to see Vivax was town and Snickers mafia in that game.



DISCLAIMER: I actually do not know if Kruppe was town in that game.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 16:18 GMT
#745
Anyway. Rels is a good lynch. But also the obvious ml for the mafia team.

It doesn't get any worse than Rels his filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 16:23 GMT
#747
On July 22 2016 01:19 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 01:11 Koshi wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511409-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia?user=Kruppe the Eel

You see? I don't even have to read till the end of his first page to see he is advancing the game in his own style. Which was pretty fun when I read it.


This game? Nothing.


It is not blind luck. He is way more underwhelming than his last game. He was one of the first to see Vivax was town and Snickers mafia in that game.



DISCLAIMER: I actually do not know if Kruppe was town in that game.


Yeah he was town.

At the same time, we don't really know if he's advancing this game or not. For instance he also was heavy on the ksc lynch train last game, who ended up being town.

And here he is one of the first to cast suspicion on rels, which seems to be a popular thing.

I dunno the more I think about it, the less I want to lynch him. Also I like playing with kruppe , so by this I would prefer to lynch sicklucker over kruppe

He didn't cast any suspicion on Rels. It was 4 names and Rels was one of them. But he didn't redirect town towards rels AT ALL. He is playing very obviously less pro town than that last game. He is not pushing town towards the right direction and he is just sitting there roleplaying.

There is really no reason to leave him alive. Except if you find a person who is likely more mafia than him atm. Which could be Rels.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 16:24 GMT
#748
Man this game would be pretty boring if it was rels/sl/kruppe.

I wonder who could be the good mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 17:55 GMT
#759
On July 22 2016 02:49 emperorchampion wrote:
Also at what point do we just lynch palmar for trolling and not making any sense =/

When there is disconnect between his scumhunting posts or he proven is plain wrong.

example.
He had Rels as town before and Kruppe mafia, but now he is lynching Rels and saying Kruppe is a 100% crapshoot. Why?



At this point he might still be town as I somehow had the feeling he is still looking at the right places and is advancing the thread. But that feeling could be him playing me. I have not reread his filter since his last appearance.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 18:01 GMT
#763
On July 22 2016 01:56 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Aaai! Do not lynch me friends, Kruppe is most innocent! Kruppe solemnly swears!

Kruppe will be most preoccupied due the heat. It is current much too warm to plan a party of friends!

Some ponderings from friendly Kruppe:

Koshi's heart is in the right place. Alas, his mind is not.

Rels' envelope may have been delivered a bit too early. Kruppe observes that Rels' traitorous traits are denoted by a serious tone! Something Rels' lacked when Kruppe had the envelope delivered —worry not friends, Kruppe has many ways to switch its contents!—. Kruppe now ponders on Rels yet is not convinced of either his maliciousness or his innocence yet!

Both Skynx and EmperorChampion should know better! They have observed Kruppe's craftsmanship before! Yet they are firmly opposing Kruppe's party. Ludicrousness!
Kruppe yet ponders more on EmperorChampion. A glimpse of (genuine?) intelligence was observed —by none other than Kruppe himself!— when talking about poor, innocent Kruppe. Yet when confronted by Koshi's plain views, he simply fell back into the herd. For shame!
Traitorous Skynx should know better for certain! Kruppe expects Skynx to have deeper opinions other than defaulting on the mystery behind poorest Kruppe. Something he has even struggled with before! Most recently! Maliciousness indeed.

Kush's opinion is sharp, yet Kruppe argues that his opinion may be driven by a (nefarious?) agenda! Envelopes pending!

Palmar is bedridden. Yet a lazy man is easily underestimated. Kruppe gives a small nod towards Palmar. May he receive his envelope shortly.

skynx is mafia because he doesn't see you are playing the same as last game?

I think it was pretty much proven that you are not playing the same as last game. You did nothing so far. It is only logical
to want to lynch you.

Explain to me how EC is mafia. He clearly is playing completely different than last games and is trying to solve the and find mafia.



None of your reads are explained properly. The roleplaying is all good fun but last game you were able to let good information shine through. This time? You are hiding between it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2016 18:02 GMT
#764
between = behind
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