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On July 21 2016 18:19 prplhz wrote:
Rels?
##Vote Rels
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I have meeting after meeting today. Now I have a 45 minutes lunch break then it's meeting again. Starting to catch up now
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Koshi if that's resolved later ignore this post. But I don't understand this:
On July 20 2016 22:03 Koshi wrote:I think Lunaticman has done everything a mafia does early game. Ask a simple question about the setup: + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2016 20:29 Lunaticman wrote:
Rels since no one else seems to be active right now maybe you could help me explain a bit about the roles.
"Mason and Parity Cop vs Godfather goon and roleblocker
cop and jailkeeper vs Godfather, strongarm and role blocker
Jailkeeper and vigilante vs Godfather, Goon, Strongarm"
I do not recognize the jailkeeper, strong arm and godfather.
Call somebody blue / bluehunted + is self-aware + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2016 21:41 Lunaticman wrote:
Well I think rels is blue based on his posts so far. One mafia usually goes active in the beginning but I dont really have any scum vibes yet.
There is probably a 50/50 red or green on both of you so far.
And what do you think about me so far? Do "serious" scumhunting on a matter that was put forward as a joke. Bit too hard-try + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2016 20:17 Lunaticman wrote:
I was expecting emperorchampion to be very active in the beginning since I spectated the last game played (the one with hilary and trump). Maybe he changed his playstyle or maybe he simply asleep.
What do you think Rels? And lastly it maybe seems like he is trusting people too much and tries to buddy them.
That all said I don't scumread you. It's just something I saw  . Game is young.
You find scumtells on Lunatic but you don't scumread him ... ? I don't get it. What are you trying to say.
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Lunatic is very townie for a newbie. Always questioning stuff posted in the thread + posting when there are silence in the thread to give boost to the game. It doesn't seem like it but it actually is hard to continually post as scum, so it's a towntell that he's doing these in his first forum mafia game.
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rofl that was written before I saw that Lunatic just posted p:
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On July 21 2016 01:51 Tumblewood wrote:
I actually read skynx's filter and yeah koshi is right about him. too much meh, not enough content.
On July 21 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:
happy with voting Skynx or ec at the moment, slight preference to ec
At the point of the thread I'm at Tumble is kinda attacked by EC, but is relaxed and don't just focus on EC. This is townie
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On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of? when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game. OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game. Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up. I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh. At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning. I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town.
I don't like this post. DC I need you to explain yourself on two things.
1- You say "Town should be trying to solve the game". Now you say it's hard to solve the game at the time of this post because "some of the players haven't even posted yet". BUT the players Tumble are talking about have posted quite a lot already. So this doesn't apply ? What is the motivation that pushed you making this post ? Why do you disagree with Tumble here ?
2 - Why do you don't scumlean either of those guys "yet" ? Cause it seems like yuo plan on scumleaning them later, which doesn't make sense, if they are scummy you should scumlean them now ?
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On July 21 2016 03:09 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 02:36 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 02:25 Tumblewood wrote:On July 21 2016 02:19 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 02:15 Tumblewood wrote:On July 21 2016 02:11 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 02:08 Tumblewood wrote:On July 21 2016 02:06 emperorchampion wrote:
What do you think of my response of your question about Palmar's posting? I don't see a response On July 21 2016 01:07 emperorchampion wrote:
I was thinking to look more in depth, but I think the sentence that I posted sums it up pretty well actually. I don't question your reasoning on Palmar, I question the fact that you have a read on a guy who played for all of 5 minutes before leaving. What do you think my reasoning on kruppe vs my reasoning on Palmar? afaik you put kruppe in the inactive null category. I can't imagine him being anywhere else. I'm surprised though that Palmar is a town lean and not in the inactive null category with him. Kinda meh/kinda OK is not a town lean category. I think that your reasons for scum reading me are exceptionally limited now. In terms of "posting with a purpose", it's arguably limited to the first few posts of this game, which is pretty lulz since that was my entry to this game. To me, you either have some sort of idea of my "meta" in your head, and you went with it after reading a bit, or you are scum trying to push for a mislynch (a vote already?). The fact that you're still tunnelling the same point, and haven't given any other reasons is very dubious. I can't trust you at all, and I reeally hope that you're not setting yourself up for an easy mislynch. ec do you want a case? I'll give you a case. why ec is scumsummary: 1. posting to blend in and not to push town forward 2. no clear direction in his posting (these are different points I promise) 1.Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 00:04 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 23:48 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:45 Lunaticman wrote:On July 20 2016 23:43 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:37 Lunaticman wrote:On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of? when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game. That makes sense but I leave the solving to more qualified players this game. Maybe you can enlighten us with some quality information? ... solving the game is a team effort man. everyone needs to work towards finding scum, mostly because it's easier to find scum when they're pretending to make reads. no enlightenment from me, just reads. Yes but without information it's impossible to do it. I'd like to know what you think about the others players so far. players I have an opinion on: you (scum lean but having doubts) ec (scum lean) koshi (association stuff with you) I think I was screaming gracka but I don't remember why so it probably isn't important Since you're willing to step up: 1) What association between koshi and lunaticman? You mean town lean on koshi? 2) How can you suddenly forget about grack when you scum lean me and lunatic for "activity"? 3) No read on skynx? 4) Is this contributing? take this post. there's no conceivable purpose behind this because clearly nothing piques his interest (or else it would have focused on one point) but he asks a series of unrelated questions, the answers to which would not be helpful. I see no reason to make this post besides "it's a contribution". Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 01:18 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 01:14 Lunaticman wrote:
There is a worrying amount of silent players Hmm in a way yeah, but also people are busy in life, so I don't think too much about it atm. I'm not really sure what to make of inactivity yet. Generally I'm not a huge fan, since on a feels level it feels bad to lynch someone for being busy in real life. But on the other hand, I think mafia can have a difficult time joining in because they feel the pressure to always not be scum read for posting some random stuff. literally a paragraph about inactive players out of nowhere this is what I'm talking about. also: 2.I don't want to quote ec's WoT in post 299, but in 299 ec makes a big ol' case on me and then three minutes later makes a post about coffee. it shows me that he isn't concerning himself with actually pushing his reads in thread but just making a case and carrying on. you get what I mean? I get what I mean. [br] in a sentence, ec is speaking without asking to be listened to, which is imo a huge scumtell.
I see your points but I think it actually shows EC is town more than scum. EC is different from his last game, he is posting way more freely which doesn't add up with a 4th scum game in a row.
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On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread
Please explain how he's acting "the exact same way"
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On July 21 2016 03:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 03:39 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 03:37 Palmar wrote:
jesus 20 pages All super important content make sure to catchup 1 by 1 no actually just fuck it, if people are going to revert to the stupid spamming style of playing I'm not even gonna bother trying. http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/dnZQAJvqMFi4gg
On July 21 2016 03:44 Skynx wrote:
No fking way is that legit?
Instant townread.
Knowing Skynx doesn't have access to quicktopic, it's very likely this comment is not a joke. So it's either a town being mad or a scum faking it. The simpler explanation is often the right one.
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On July 21 2016 04:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 04:02 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 04:01 Palmar wrote:On July 21 2016 03:57 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:53 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 03:27 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread Without ever rolling town he doesn't know how to be town its simple. Even he does exact opposite of what he did its forced and noticeable. Based on this I'm putting down my vote for now on EC. Even if he turns green you will be the next auto lynch. Or rather a blue should check you during the night to save a lynch target. I will change the vote if someone comes up with a better argument for a d1 lynch. What does emperors alignment has anything to do with mine? I haven't even read him yet. Also you say what i just said is convincing enough for you to vote on ec. But i didn't say anything new or something related to his specific behaviour here. So, thats kind of a shitty vote. Why is he mafia? I think it was a good argument, and votes generate friction, which generates more content. I am totally fine voting for someone if I think the argument is good enough especially on day 1. What I find confusing is why you would demote your own arugment, that is very strange. I actually think he is fighting for his life as a townie, but the day is far from over. I dunno if this makes sense. Why would you vote for a town person? Also I am far from fighting for my life. I am "defending" my self from tumble because his arguments are so weak, they are leading me to think that he might be scum. Voting for people is a common tactic this generates pressure which generates misstakes, you can switch your vote anytime unless I am missing something. Go forth and make mistakes my friend Maybe you should give us a list of our reads so far and some thoughts. You have been chilling far to much. ok. 100% town - aka never lynching.Prplhz Skynx Likely town:Tumblewood emperorchampion Rels Null, no reason to lynch but no real reason to townreadPalmar DCWasabi Koshi Gracaroni null, possibly scum because I haven't really noticed themnnn_thekushmountains Lunaticman Scummy/possibly mafiasicklucker Kruppe the eel
Why are SL / Kruppe scummy when they have done nothing at all ?
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On July 21 2016 04:30 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Such mystery! Friend Kruppe has two sets of —most beautifully written by Kruppe himself— invitations.
Red envelopes! Warm invitations to the most (in?)famous and lustrous (in some way) inn in Darujhistan; the Phoenix Inn!
Blue envelopes! Calming invitations to the mysterious inn in.. Darujhistan(?); the Crossroad Inn!
Where will Kruppe truly be? What table will be filled with the most delicious pastries, the toughest of drinks and hosted by the most magnanimous host of all, Kruppe?
Kruppe cordially extends a red envelope to both Rels and Koshi. A pair of two indeed! Kruppe extends a warm welcome to the Phoenix Inn! (And of course, dear Koshi, a book with friend Kruppe in it is worth reading a thousand times over!)
Kruppe also extends two mysterious blue envelopes! One to Skynx and one to EmperorChampion. An enigma indeed! Kruppe would welcome the both of you to the Crossroad Inn!
Kruppe posting 15 minutes after being called out by Palmar is suspicious.
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Palmar might be town. His posts are short but I agree with all of them, apart from a few positions in his list
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Alright meeting time, see you in a few hours (= please answer my question if I've asked you one earlier. My mind atm:
Town
Lunatic
Skynx
EC
Tumble
Palmar
Scum
Koshi
Kruppe
DC
People missing are null.
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yo I'm home. And I'm not getting lynched 'cause I am have nothing to do until deadline apart from eating (=
First, catching up
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On July 21 2016 22:48 Koshi wrote:↓Weird logic. Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:On July 21 2016 04:30 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Such mystery! Friend Kruppe has two sets of —most beautifully written by Kruppe himself— invitations.
Red envelopes! Warm invitations to the most (in?)famous and lustrous (in some way) inn in Darujhistan; the Phoenix Inn!
Blue envelopes! Calming invitations to the mysterious inn in.. Darujhistan(?); the Crossroad Inn!
Where will Kruppe truly be? What table will be filled with the most delicious pastries, the toughest of drinks and hosted by the most magnanimous host of all, Kruppe?
Kruppe cordially extends a red envelope to both Rels and Koshi. A pair of two indeed! Kruppe extends a warm welcome to the Phoenix Inn! (And of course, dear Koshi, a book with friend Kruppe in it is worth reading a thousand times over!)
Kruppe also extends two mysterious blue envelopes! One to Skynx and one to EmperorChampion. An enigma indeed! Kruppe would welcome the both of you to the Crossroad Inn! Kruppe posting 15 minutes after being called out by Palmar is suspicious.
What's wrong with it ?
I think you're town now
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On July 22 2016 03:53 Palmar wrote:
yes, I don't remember a single post by him so he should be added to the list of 5.
Like can we all sort of agree on that list?
Skynx
Kush
Krupp
Tumble
Rels
We're lynching in here, right?
I hope I find your reasons for scumreading me at some point while I read the thread
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On July 21 2016 23:08 Koshi wrote:I have actually a good reason why Palmar is town: Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 04:15 Palmar wrote:On July 21 2016 04:02 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 04:01 Palmar wrote:On July 21 2016 03:57 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:53 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 03:27 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:
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Without ever rolling town he doesn't know how to be town its simple. Even he does exact opposite of what he did its forced and noticeable. Based on this I'm putting down my vote for now on EC. Even if he turns green you will be the next auto lynch. Or rather a blue should check you during the night to save a lynch target. I will change the vote if someone comes up with a better argument for a d1 lynch. What does emperors alignment has anything to do with mine? I haven't even read him yet. Also you say what i just said is convincing enough for you to vote on ec. But i didn't say anything new or something related to his specific behaviour here. So, thats kind of a shitty vote. Why is he mafia? I think it was a good argument, and votes generate friction, which generates more content. I am totally fine voting for someone if I think the argument is good enough especially on day 1. What I find confusing is why you would demote your own arugment, that is very strange. I actually think he is fighting for his life as a townie, but the day is far from over. I dunno if this makes sense. Why would you vote for a town person? Also I am far from fighting for my life. I am "defending" my self from tumble because his arguments are so weak, they are leading me to think that he might be scum. Voting for people is a common tactic this generates pressure which generates misstakes, you can switch your vote anytime unless I am missing something. Go forth and make mistakes my friend Maybe you should give us a list of our reads so far and some thoughts. You have been chilling far to much. ok. 100% town - aka never lynching.Prplhz Skynx Likely town:Tumblewood emperorchampion Rels Null, no reason to lynch but no real reason to townreadPalmar DCWasabi Koshi Gracaroni null, possibly scum because I haven't really noticed themnnn_thekushmountains Lunaticman Scummy/possibly mafiasicklucker Kruppe the eel The (better) townreads in this list were really fast and on point. prplhz, EC and Skynx. Would be bad play if Palmar is mafia. Well... Not bad play, but it would hurt mafia agenda.
Why do you think prp is town ?
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On July 21 2016 23:20 Koshi wrote:
Rels: His 3 scumtargets in his scumlist rub me the wrong way. Not enough focus on them before he made the list. Just 1 comment to justify the position. But nowhere there was any really pushing or convincing the thread.
Bad bad bad. Of course it's like that, I stopped mid-catching up 'cause my lunch break was over. I'm set on nobody so it's normal I'm not focusing on nobody.
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On July 22 2016 03:58 Lunaticman wrote:
I think Rels feels wrong for lynching day 1, I think he actually contributed to the town. There are better choices. Hell I'd rather hang Kruppe because he makes no sense to me even though he puts efforts into the posts.
My contribution this game has been super small. Are you comparing me to only Kruppe or do you have other person in mind ?
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On July 21 2016 23:32 emperorchampion wrote:I did notice that Rels neglected DC's follow up post in his analysis: Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 20:41 Rels wrote:On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote:On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of? when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game. OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game. Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up. I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh. At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning. I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town. I don't like this post. DC I need you to explain yourself on two things. 1- You say "Town should be trying to solve the game". Now you say it's hard to solve the game at the time of this post because "some of the players haven't even posted yet". BUT the players Tumble are talking about have posted quite a lot already. So this doesn't apply ? What is the motivation that pushed you making this post ? Why do you disagree with Tumble here ? 2 - Why do you don't scumlean either of those guys " yet" ? Cause it seems like yuo plan on scumleaning them later, which doesn't make sense, if they are scummy you should scumlean them now ? So the post in question was followed by: Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 05:01 DCWasabi wrote:
Fuck, slow-down with the 1-liners everyone.
Want to clarify my stance a bit on the Tumble vs Empc thing as it seems like it is important.
I TR Tumblewood because I think he is trying to promote a good environment for town and he seems to be reading and interested in solving things.
I don't agree with his argument that Empc is necessarily scum though, because I think he actually is playing a bit differently this game... for example I don't see him making "logical leaps" like he did in Onegu or pushing as hard as he did early in that game; so I don't think that you can scum read him just off of Meta.
Tumble vs Empc seems T v T initially.
Let's focus on some not-useless shit.
I gotta get back to work for a bit, but I will be around...
So especially point 2 from rels is really put into question.
Yeah I read that second post 2 minutes ago right now. I stopped before reading it a few hours ago. I read his answer to me too. I want to read his filter aftrer I'm done catching up because it seems like he talks a lot to say nothing.
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