EPT[M][N] Presidential Election Mini Mafia
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
I am unfortunately not going to be able to contribute heavily today. I will do my best to get a chance to read the game and I will probably focus on the first few hours of posting. I am more just popping by to let you guys know I am alive and have no intention of getting replaced or modkilled, despite the fact that my start will be slower than I would have preferred. To me I have two acceptable outcomes this cycle. The preferred outcome is that I actually find something that's worth chasing and put my vote there, but a very reasonable alternative that is probably more likely to happen is that I find someone I strongly believe to be town, and lend my vote to whatever his or hers cause is. I'm looking forward to talking to you all and playing with you. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
Skynx called out Artanis in a way that I liked. Artanis' response wasn't great. Damdred said at least one thing that closely resembles the way a human being talks. GlowingBear's entry post was worse than most other people's. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean Lean mafia Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So I'm mafia for applying a reason you called Damdred mafia for onto you? Must mean you're like 110% mafia then, especially since you didn't explain it for Damdred yourself. First of all, I wasn't talking about Damdred, I was talking about Superbia, a player that generally can be fairly helpful. In addition, he has posted three pages of content, something that I clearly haven't done, so the direction of his posts has become clear, while I would argue the direction of my posts is not yet clear. It is unreasonable to call someone mafia for not posting helpful things when he has posted 3 posts in general. If you want to call me mafia for being inactive that's fine, if you think I'm actively lurking and avoiding posting, that's fine too. I just think the rationale you just gave is both unreasonable and opportunistic. I don't believe you think your own reasoning is valid, and that means you must be mafia. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 08:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I had already forgotten you were talking about Superbia and Damdred because that's how little of an impression it left. I just wanted to rile you up a bit as you were riling up others without doing anything yourself. There is actually a reason I think you're mildly scummy though, and that's in that your 'observations' feel completely useless and I think you're just trying to appear useful with it rather than actually focussing on reading the full game before saying, for one, that Superbia's posts haven't been helpful. I don't understand why you wouldn't just read the entire game, especially one as short as this, before commenting. I don't believe the bolded. I have no reason to think you actually had some sort of a plan of "riling me up". You don't know anything about me or my personality, and this all sounds like you're retconning your own story to fit some narrative. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 08:42 Tumblewood wrote: jean feels a little too obvious to be scum like he has all the tells kinda but it just doesn't feel right not sure how to phrase it "all the tells" implies that there are some objective things I've done that you can name of the top off your head that you consider to generally be scummy. Please elaborate on at least three such tells. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 08:40 emperorchampion wrote: brb catching up I had a look at your filter. The bad is more important than the good. None of your posts are actually very helpful in figuring the game out. This is mostly just a gameplay observation, and not really relevant to what I think of your alignment. I would advise you to actually post some kind of useful observations or engaging in a conversation that might push the game forward. On the other hand, there exists at least one reason to think you're town, but I don't really want to talk about it yet. I'll explain this reason later (probably no later than n1). | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 08:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I dunno. My read from the list post hasn't really changed significantly. That is surprising. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 08:49 Tumblewood wrote: I elaborate what I want. first let me give you some backstory. before I played my first game I scoured the mafiascum wiki looking for tutorials on how to read people and the like. what I quickly realized playing on TL is that the tells were all shit because anyone who actually fit the scum tells were idiots and there are no idiots on TL. what I mean when I say "all the tells" is that you fit the 7-year-old-mafiascum-article scum archetype, but in my experience that archetype doesn't exist (a la "too obvious") so I'm hesitant to read you scum. feel free to prove me wrong though. Of course you elaborate what you want, that's why I asked nicely, notice the "Please". Again, you say I fit some "7-year-old-mafiascum-article scum archetype". What is it, specifically, in my play that fits that archetype? It is already established that I am a smurf, but that might of course mean I'm literally the worst player in the history of TL Mafia, and thus that archetype might actually be something you should investigate about me. So, you should be chasing this, even if it would end up being a red herring. I'd ask you to again explain why you think that, on a very basic level, I look like scum. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 00:36 QuickTwist wrote: Fake quote is fake. I don't see a good Town reason to do this. On June 26 2016 03:21 QuickTwist wrote: Its my mistake (well, TL's really). The post says it was made 19 hours ago on June 25th. Unfortunately I thought that was impossible since the timestamp says 8:00. So I went back to 8:00 AM and could not for the life of me find the quote. That would have been 5 hours ago my time at 8:00 AM. In short, the timestamps don't work like they should at this site. Will go back a check to make sure I am on the right forum time. These posts, or rather the thought progression that led to them should basically exclude Quickdraw from any lynch considerations for today. While it is of course possible he is being smart mafia and focusing on irrelevant details on purpose, the fact that he actually bothered to check the timestamps means he is at least trying to think about the game in a way that allows him to contribute to solving it. This means I would not want to lynch him today at least, and makes him one of my stronger townreads, for whatever that may be worth on day 1. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
I strongly disagree with you on Artanis. Why do you think he's town? | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 18:27 Superbia wrote: Do you still think I am mafia? It is very possible. You're both a very good mafia player and I have expectations of you being useful as town. This means that I'm not willing to call you town until you put in the effort to actually prove you're town. I'm not too worried about it at the moment though, it seems to me I have both stronger scumreads and townreads than you and I can afford to withhold judgement for a while. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 18:27 Superbia wrote: Also why do you think artanis is mafia? Because I have trouble believing that Artanis' approach to just about anything this game is even half genuine. In the initial stages he was joking around, but uncharacteristically he wasn't really funny at all. He is a funny guy so it is actually suspicious when he tries to be funny but is only marginally funny. This might mean that he was making jokes not because he felt like making jokes, but rather because he thought it would be a good idea to make jokes for other reasons. Secondly I liked Skynx's case on Artanis, and I did not like Artanis' response to it. Skynx doesn't prove Artanis is mafia with that case, but he does bring up some justifiable points about Artanis' approach to the game. Most notably the stiffness in his transition from joking to what was a fairly weak attack on QT. Artanis responded by dismissing the case and throwing a townread Skynx's way, I do not disagree with the sentiment that Skynx looks a lot better for casing Artanis, but the dismissal of the case was done in a way I don't believe a veteran player would dismiss a case. Artanis should have explained why the things he did don't make him mafia, instead of just semi-ridiculing the case. Ridiculing accusations is a sign of weakness. Thirdly, he called me out for doing little. As I have already explained, I had no real problem with him throwing a scumread my way, but he did it for the wrong reason. Then afterwards he claimed he had done it to "rile me up" while then also claiming his initial reason was valid. I don't believe Artanis genuinely thinks that he was riling me up. When he made an off-hand comment on me and threw me on a list he was barely targeting me at all and had no idea I would actually respond to him, given my lack of contributions at that point in the game. I think it's much more likely he saw an easy opportunity to sort of call someone out that would possibly not bother to really respond to him, giving him an easy and uncontroversial scumlean. Lastly, Artanis has thrown around townreads with way too much confidence this game. Chezinu, Damdred, Skynx, QT all got pretty hard townreads from him for relatively flimsy reasons. I just have a hard time believing he is actually working through the scenarios to reach a conclusion, feels like he is just throwing something out there and running with it. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
This leaves your entire pool of mafia as GB, TT, Emperor, Jealous and moosy. Mostly inactive and background players + your favorite tunnel. Moosy is deliberately playing scummy so there's that. Like there is no way I believe you'd so strongly narrow the pool for scum to something so small. I just don't know. I cannot believe this is actually how you think because it's awful. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 19:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Neither of these are true. Also, even hard townreads can drop off. It's just unlikely. Wait, you still think there's a chance I'm mafia? | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement. You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb. The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true. 1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum 2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia. So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be. | ||
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