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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 21:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So what you're saying is you don't believe I can have as strong a townread on Damdred as I say, therefore I must have TMI? I guess that's a roundabout compliment in a way. I know you despise meta, but take a little look into my previously played games, please. I have never ever tried this hard as mafia under suspicion, let ALONE when the rest of my team died early. If I was in a team with MD and EC (and I mean no offense to them) I would've just given up on D1 and let the lynch wash over me. I would not end up having the longest filter in the game. I have probably written more words than you. I just consolidate my posts. There's probably a way to figure that out. | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
I'm back to tictock is mafia | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On July 01 2016 00:38 Damdred wrote: Jean could you tell me what your one reason for wanting to tr ec was? You said you would talk about it during the night but never did Also why did you move moosey from your ignore list to suddenly Lynch moose last second? His play really hadn't changed much over the day I think. Yes, the one reason to think EC was town was that he tried to get the presidency. In hindsight he didn't really push for it and thus I should have been far more suspicious of him, but at the time I was looking for anything, even flimsy, to help sort people into categories. I think I talked about it somewhere in my filter that scum almost never succeed or even genuinely try to win mayoral elections. It's almost always (as this game is a good proof of) townies. Regarding Moosey, he hadn't been posting while I was around, which sort of faded in my eyes how blatantly trolly and scum-favored his posting direction was. When he came back and started doing it right in front of me I made the logical choice to go after him, I explained it in my post where I announced him as my lynch target. Essentially, and as evidenced, he was objectively the most scummy player in the thread (could be proven to be playing with a scum agenda), but in my subjective opinion he wasn't the most scummy at the time. My own posting both at the time of announcing him as a lynch target, and prior to his flip, show the thought progression I had. | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On July 01 2016 05:22 Damdred wrote: Idk I know you say your progression on moosey, but here you have it that you don't think moose is mafia. You also think super is the most guaranteed mafia at the time of the Lynch. Can you explain why you lynched moose over super exactly and why you didn't think he was scum at the end? A sort of horrid question but just go with it for now. I don't know how to make it any more clear to you to be honest. At the time, I felt superbia was genuinely scummy, ie: his posting felt off and I had convinced myself there were good reasons to think he's mafia. Regarding moosy, he was objectively scummy, but I subjectively thought he was just an asshole who was willingly playing against his win condition as town. That being said, I was not certain on superbia, or anyone else really at that point, so I just lynched the player who SHOULD flip mafia, despite my own personal reservations that me might just be anti-town townie. Do you understand the difference between objective and subjective scummyness? Moosy, in my opinion, was mafia because he played in a way that was only beneficial if he is mafia. Thus if we assume everyone plays to win, he has to be mafia because there is no town reason for him to do what he did. Also, the hedging was pretty strong, it's always good to hedge so you can claim to be right later Either I'm "right" and i lynch mafia, or I'm "right" and lynch a townie who should have been lynched anyway for playing like mafia. | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
To me the current situation is something like Artanis, Damdred, Jean, GlowingBear, Skynx, Jealous town Superbia probably town, but less sure Tumblewood probably town, but less sure Tictock most likely scum. | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
Because his effort level this night has been extremely high when it doesn't have to be. In addition, his questions about me feel very "right". He's not being superficial or difficult, he's genuinely asking very pointed questions (like the one about me saying there is a reason to townread EC that I didn't want to talk about at the time). It's difficult (but of course not impossible) to come up with that as mafia. I get the feeling he actually wants to figure the game out. Also, it's fucking damdred, I always think he's mafia and I'm (almost) always wrong. But lynching him is fun though, so it's fine. | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On July 01 2016 05:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm pretty sure JVJ is HF btw. Ego, quality of play and playfulness in general fit, plus going into a game as a smurf with an idea like he had at the start here feels a lot like him. Also also Poland please. Please, I know we've had our differences but no need to be rude. | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On July 01 2016 05:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Unless you were just making the joke that claiming you're HF is rude in itself, in which case if wrong I do profusely apologize thanks, feels better. | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
Poe/still scummy If he flips scum superbia is worst player for not just sticking with the tracker claim. | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On July 01 2016 06:54 Tictock wrote: My god you Yo-Yo back and forth on me. Bring it. No real reason to bring anything, just explain in detail who is mafia if you're not it? | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On July 01 2016 07:16 Tictock wrote: Tumble has been the weakest of my townreads and is mostly just floating this game. But yea mostly PoE. And no, I'm kinda coming around on Jean probably just being town. he really doesn't have to do this... | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On July 01 2016 13:04 Tictock wrote: No offense to Moosy... But you are giving his "sacrificial" play too much credit and planning. Lol Yes. There very much exists the chance moosy is just... special | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
Tumblewood is meh, so whatever. Tictock doesn't really sound like mafia yet. I'm also hoping to clear one of the potentially suspicious people with a blue claim so there's that. | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On July 01 2016 20:13 Jealous wrote: The reasons as to why pardon will be used are not mathematically relevant, it's the fact that to prepare for all possible scenarios one needs to examine both whether it does or does not happen, whether Jean is scum or not scum. As you said, Jean cannot be in the final 3. My argument is that he cannot be in the final 4, either. This is a dumb discussion and you should reconsider if you actually think this. Essentially you're telling the scum "hey, if you get a mislynch today, you'll get a free extra one tomorrow!" We're not going to default lynch, we're going to keep lynching the most scummy people until the game ends. | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On July 01 2016 20:52 Jealous wrote: True, especially the last bit. However, being short-sighted has already cost us. I don't think it's bad practice to map all the possible roads this game can take. When did being short-sighted cost us? | ||
Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
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