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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:30 GlowingBear wrote: Stop defending yourself JVJ. Get us a lynch. I'm 100% against lynching you I think Chez is most likely, I already explained why. Like I have this feeling that Chez almost always indicates in some weird way (often through lists) how he's thinking about the game. He has not done that here. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:40 Tictock wrote: This is ironically a very emotionally based statement. I don't think this is actually true though some people like to use emotional reactions to base their reads on. Besides "he's trying to survive" is a very valid method of scum hunting. Motivations behind posting is very much something to be considered. Now that I'm thinking about it, you've been very vocal about how Town should play ... but I'm interested in what your thinking is regarding the best method town should employ when hunting scum. 1) everyone tries to survive. Read my #1 commandment on playing town, it's basically "try not to get lynched". 2) Everyone has their own way of scumhunting. I could write an essay about it, but it's usually a combination of multiple factors. Take current Artanis for example, he's very much a combination read for me. Scumpoint: Artanis is a good player who is playing extremely badly Townpoint: Artanis has a long filter Townpoint: Artanis is jolly and willing to chase random things, like smurfhunting, he's also being a dick in a way that feels townie Scumpoint: His logic was way off on day 1 and he let himself be pushed around Townpoint: He's still actively playing when his meta suggests he would usually quit or lower his effort as scum when this far behind. Townpoint: He is making a big play if he's mafia. If he knows I'll flip town he also knows massive attention will come to him when I'm dead. Scumpoint: He is one of the few players who might go for the "go big or go home" approach, sort of contesting my pervious point These are just random thoughts. Then there's tone in individual posts and interactions, and I don't weigh all points equally. In general it's easiest to find mafia when someone ticks many scum boxes. This means of course that my read on Artanis is swingy and conflicted, but in general I don't want to kill him becuase there's simply too many reasons not to. Because no one that is actually playing in this town ticks all the scum boxes, I simply think the most straightforward play is to kill Chezinu, who is uncharacteristically useless and by process of elimination the most likely to flip mafia. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also he might've been looking to see if he could get away with lynching someone else if he's mafia. But it doesn't matter, JVJ's emotional-trainwreck post that claims not to be an emotional trainwreck probably makes him town. I just find it very difficult to actually vote for my friend  Literally the cancer that's killing TL Mafia. Hint: I am perfectly aware my recent posting is emotional (despite claiming it isn't), does that change your opinion? | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:48 Jealous wrote: You can't really blame JVJ for "trying to survive" because as I said when I was under pressure, both town and scum have that in their best interest and in their faction's best interest. Town wants to live to prevent a mislynch that would extend scum's lifetime, scum wants to live to scum at night. When this wagon first formed, I thought it was purely to a light a fire under JVJ's ass and force him to devote some time to D2 and making reads, but at this point I feel like you guys are wasting valuable time that could be spent having him contribute to other reads with greater depth because you force him on the defensive. If he didn't have to deal with the repeated badgering, he might do something that is better for the town as a whole - i.e., provide detailed reads. This would be to town's benefit whether he is town or not, and some of the things he may say would be more AI than him trying to stay alive. So, in pursuing that line of thought: JVJ, why not Damdred? I posted a pretty detailed list of posts from him and my interpretation of them. Despite you saying that you like my play, you seem to not even have him on your radar. Cut your losses on defense and consider that the best defense could be a good offense. This guy is my hero. I haven't read Damdred, what little time I've had here today has been spent defending myself. In addition, I made a comment early on in day 1 that "Damdred had a post that sounded like an actual human being", and his annoyance at not getting the respect he thinks he deserves means he's slightly less likely to be mafia. And tbh... I forgot about him. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote: I do apologise for my absence. It's basically due to the fact that after my 1st scum game, I think I played 1 very good town game and playing good right now aswell so I got lazy because i was so town. Also other stuff like work and all but lack of activity today is purely due to lazyness This is a relatively townie response to be honest. (tonally) | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:51 Tumblewood wrote: I also don't like the way that tt jumped on Jean after art brought it up. He wasn't thinking about Jean until art made a case (which was not so convincing) and then immediately jumped on him. I don't know if this is true and reading jealous' case right now so can't check it. Maybe it's valid, who knows. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 05:00 Tumblewood wrote: Jean and jealous can you stop sucking each other's dicks for having similar playstyles Great minds bro | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 05:03 Superbia wrote: What'd I miss? Why would damdred die tonight? What are the chances Superbia makes the fakeclaim on tictock as scum? | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
Like, take it as a compliment, you're all doing a great job, better than I've been admitting. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 05:04 Superbia wrote: It'd explain why I was 100% correct on 2/3 scum without making silly long posts. ;p The posts aren't to be right, they're to convince others you're right. that's why I lynched Moosy and not you  | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
I agree | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 05:05 Tictock wrote: Actually it was Damdred that brought it up. So I went from Damdred being my main scumread to teaming up with him to take down the Mayor. I'm glad that you think I'm this good as scum though. you act as if taking down your town mayor is some sort of an achievement. I really, really hope it's just Chez and the game ends. I'm not sure I can take this game much longer, i'll become the monster inside, I will, in the end, lose this mask of kindness, of helpfulness, of transparency and love and become the beast I really am. you don't want the beast guys, you really don't want the beast. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 05:08 GlowingBear wrote: Wait Jean Why did you drop your scumread on Superbia again? a) I pressured him very hard during the night, he responded in a relatively townie way in the end. Specifically his post where he said something like "My goal is to be so right all the time that people can't ignore me" when I was pestering him to build cases and explain things. I've talked about this in slightly more detail before b) I don't think Superbia would have made the risky fakeclaim on tictock as scum. It just feels like a really low percentage play as mafia. c) In all fairness, the guy promised to lynch scum in his mayor bid, and has had pretty solid reads so far. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
You don't know the real me. Also, I did get a bit angry with you. Just a tiny bit. I may have thrown my mouse at the screen just very lightly, just a little bit. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote: I will... but this also feels like pandering... Eh I wont be terribly upset if Chez gets lynched but I like my vote where it is. I'll be upset if Damdred gets lynched and flips town kus that will just mean I put a lot of effort into reading him properly for nothing. If it isn't obvious by my posting, I genuinely care about quality mafia play. Like I really, really just want to play in games where all sides try and the games end up interesting and fun. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 05:12 Tictock wrote: Oh now we want to talk about this? I would have preferred some responses to my post like 4 hours ago when I asked this... People like talking to me, maybe you should put some skill points into charm and looks so you can achieve alpha status like me. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
Well, if I'm right on Chez you've basically been a giant boulder in the road to town victory. I still love you, wounds heal. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
Can you rehash (or just find in your filter for me) the reason you townread Chez so hard at the beginning of day 1? | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 29 2016 04:16 Jealous wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote: How am i pushing shitty scum reads again? Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly? This post is terrible, largely because his scum reads ARE shitty (TT, SK, JVJ, Jealous) because they were all policy lynches. Those are base level scum reads. You make those based on a lack of content as opposed to anything actually said. His townreads ARE super lazy and his stance is NOT vindicated by the fact that they are the popular reads at this juncture; popularity does not imply that his reads had any substance to begin with. He gave out townreads with zero evidence, which is super lazy. Also, super easy if you actually do know who town is, being scum. + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2016 00:43 Damdred wrote: Give good reasoning on them right now TT. since you want to lambast all of my reads and say they are all shit lets see it with a decent explanation. Instead of proffering any explanation on his own reads, he pushes TT to explain HIS. + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2016 01:09 Damdred wrote: But on the other hand kind of want to townreads tt....hrmmm decisions come after food Already flip-flopping only 26 minutes after the prior post; maybe he decided that TT was not an easy target anymore? Or maybe he wanted to appease TT so that TT wouldn't counter-pressure him into actually substantiating any of his claims? + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2016 04:04 Damdred wrote: Well we can't have everyone town read there has to be a scum even outside moosey for you tumble. And Tt idk he just wasn't very smart in his postings took a post that was a compliment to him not being lynch bait now tried to use it to scum read me, and has been boring sense trying to make mud stick. Flips on TT yet again. Also tries to divert attention from Moosy yet again. + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2016 12:46 Damdred wrote: Seriously why don't we make me mayor? I'm still a good player, I'm obviously going to try this game and with double votes mafia has to kill me before lylo anyway. It's the best of both worlds, a good dialed in scum hunting damdred with double votes The summary of all of his (multiple) posts trying to get into a position of power. No substance at all besides "I'm a good player, guys!" + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2016 22:25 Damdred wrote: Nobody else over moosey super? How can one defend Moosy so much and get away with it? He goes on to make some long posts @Superbia where he actually does provide some content and explanations, but still pushes for a policy lynch on me. + Show Spoiler + Lol. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 00:26 Damdred wrote: Dear God super I've explained twice why I think jealous is mafia. For asking me so many questions you aren't reading ny posts at all? I've been well,documented thinking Tt is scum More like he stated multiple times why he wants to lynch me for inactivity and flip-flopped on TT multiple times. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 00:57 Damdred wrote: I won't vote gb or super and neither should have the pardoned position. And gb it's because you don't do well with these sorts of decisions tbh. While I tr both all a sudden the last few pages have made me kind of suspicious on super just seems off now. I would like to be pardoner or mayor. There will always be debate but I am one of the best players in this game. And idk why art isn't voting for me rip. I have to check the timestamp but I think this is before he votes GB. This is another one of his "I am the best player, so I should be mayor," and another buttbuddy request to Art and Chez, a few of which I have omitted above because that's all they really are. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 02:12 Damdred wrote: Where did I give ec a pass I've been,trying to decide if he's scum or been for awhile I didn't,mind his early posts. And these later ones aren't horrid he's at least thinking. On June 27 2016 02:18 Damdred wrote: Gen I guess I did give him a halfway day pass Horrible lie, good thing he got called for it. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 02:19 Damdred wrote: I'm trying to remember what I was seeing. I think he said some things that were ok but kinda side lined wanted to see more from him. But I probably would retract it but he's had some decent posts and went after a hard target so idk if I would lynch today This is about EC. "I'm trying to remember what I was seeing," when not too long prior he was supposedly reading filters, which he still could have done in order to better answer this question. Still hadn't given any concrete evidence thus far. + Show Spoiler + Although I agreed with this at the time, and still do (about it being a good thought), in the context of Damdred's posts I wouldn't think it surprising that this is an example of collusion in a Mafia QT in order to have EC save some face and Damdred jumped on it instantly. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 05:05 Damdred wrote: Ooooo crap jealous is scum. He was the first to scum read chez and hasn't played with him. Come brothers it,must be done. So quick to create a wagon on me and suck up to Chez, in one breath and with no other rationale. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 05:08 Damdred wrote: God the more I read the jealous post the more I hate it. The gb read doesn't make sense at all, it sounds like a scum read for lack of activity no real contribution to the game. But town leans him anyway. God that's craxy On June 27 2016 05:09 Damdred wrote: Like jealous isn't even reading the game it seems as its clear why gb is getting mayor because he's claimed blue lol? On June 27 2016 05:16 Damdred wrote: Just feels nm so fabricated idk what else to say about jealous reads. A lot of safe reads I think or ones that seem safe. Maybe I'm tainted by a bit of omgus but the list just seems strange to me. On June 27 2016 05:17 Damdred wrote: Idc about that now, really want other people's opinions about jealous read post. Really everyone weigh in On June 27 2016 05:44 Damdred wrote: That's the thing though jealous the whole,basis for gb running for mayor is in his filter. And also your read still sounds like a scum read that ends in a non logical concussion. Would still lynch Tt first for,not doing anything at all On June 27 2016 05:54 Damdred wrote: Lynch Tt Jean blah Ironic when 1. he misread my GB read in the first place and 2. he has done far less in order to substantiate his own claims. Pushes very hard for my or TT lynch. Is this what he meant by vindicated? + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 05:57 Damdred wrote: I also think moosey flips town though meh. Just a gut feel nothing to base it on Some things don't change. + Show Spoiler + He's STILL pushing this alliance, so desperately. I'm not surprised that Art jumped on his bandwagon against me now. Everything after this is more recent. So, conclusions: 1. Weak early game that he tries to claim was strong. 2. Baseless pushes for mayor/pardoner. 3. Constantly sucking up to Chez/Artanis in order to get a townie alliance going. 4. A lot of hypocrisy and flip-flopping. 5. A lot of EC/Moosy defense and free-pass giving. ##Vote Damdred This is actually a really good case... | ||
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