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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 08 2016 19:43 GMT
#1361
we're definitely not killing scott today. vote somewhere else emperor
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 08 2016 19:43 GMT
#1362
On June 08 2016 10:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
##vote beentheredonethat

change your vote? I actually townread this dude. He was the only one with logical reasoning and thoughts in his posts. Sure the people he went after were lackluster but he's a waste of a vote right now imo.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 08 2016 19:45 GMT
#1363
On June 09 2016 04:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote:
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on.

Define "big target" please

Not you, Scott or blk.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 08 2016 19:45 GMT
#1364
On June 09 2016 04:45 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 04:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote:
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on.

Define "big target" please

Not you, Scott or blk.

Or btdt
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 08 2016 19:48 GMT
#1365
How are these big targets? What about kush?
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 08 2016 19:48 GMT
#1366
So you want to kill someone with more thread presence rahter than someone who isn't contributing? That isn't a towny mindset imo.

Moose who do we kill, then?
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 08 2016 19:48 GMT
#1367
Can we kill emperor today. No one has as of yet given me a compelling reason for having townread him and no one's touched on the topic at all.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 08 2016 19:48 GMT
#1368
Is emperor a big target, would you consider yourself a big target, skynx? Please elaborate on what you mean...
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 08 2016 19:49 GMT
#1369
On June 09 2016 04:48 emperorchampion wrote:
How are these big targets? What about kush?

Who do you think is more scummy. Skynx or kush?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 08 2016 19:49 GMT
#1370
On June 09 2016 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
we're definitely not killing scott today. vote somewhere else emperor


Why not scott, he seems pretty scummy, no?
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 08 2016 19:50 GMT
#1371
On June 09 2016 04:49 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
we're definitely not killing scott today. vote somewhere else emperor


Why not scott, he seems pretty scummy, no?

in what way?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 08 2016 19:52 GMT
#1372
On June 09 2016 04:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 04:49 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 09 2016 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
we're definitely not killing scott today. vote somewhere else emperor


Why not scott, he seems pretty scummy, no?

in what way?


All he's posted are some reads with no back up lol, like what is the point?
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 08 2016 19:52 GMT
#1373
On June 09 2016 04:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
So you want to kill someone with more thread presence rahter than someone who isn't contributing? That isn't a towny mindset imo.

Moose who do we kill, then?

My opinion is mafia would be happier if we mislynch a non-factor today. In the current state of the game everyone is calling shots on different targets,.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 08 2016 19:54 GMT
#1374
To further elaborate, there is no way I'm wasting my vote on a coin-flip today.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 08 2016 19:58 GMT
#1375
Many people are sr'ing kush who is on my list. Almost no one is talking about TT who's my other sr altho he made some sense lately.
So I'm suggesting people clarify their reads so we can pick a common target.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 08 2016 19:58 GMT
#1376
On June 09 2016 04:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 04:48 emperorchampion wrote:
How are these big targets? What about kush?

Who do you think is more scummy. Skynx or kush?


I will answer this after you tell me why you don't think scott is scum.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 08 2016 20:00 GMT
#1377
On June 09 2016 04:58 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 04:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 09 2016 04:48 emperorchampion wrote:
How are these big targets? What about kush?

Who do you think is more scummy. Skynx or kush?


I will answer this after you tell me why you don't think scott is scum.

Too little to go on. And you did answer anyway so it doesn't really matter.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 08 2016 20:00 GMT
#1378
yup I'm going through emperor's filter. He flips on QT as it gets closer to him being killed, he says he's not sdure about me then calls me half life 3 confirmed town.

also:

On June 08 2016 00:26 emperorchampion wrote:
Also I don't think I ever hard read QT as maf, just hypothosised that it was odd QT and Tumble were defending each other. This was the information I was interested in. I dunno you are trying to twist my words I feel


This made me check and it seems he was really hedging his bets and skirting around making any hard calls at all about QT.
On June 05 2016 01:41 emperorchampion wrote:
I took a look through Tumblewood's filter, since he seems like the only one posting anything of note aside from QT-pie and Jealsus (which is a cesspool I don't want to wade through).

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:49 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:46 Tumblewood wrote:
tryhard newbie + Show Spoiler [*cough cough*] +
jealous
= scum newbie most of the time

With no clues to work off of and only the content of a few early posters to analyze, I don't think my behavior is suspicious in the slightest and you're trying to cast shade on someone you may know is townie.

I played my last two TL Mafia games in 2008, in which I was townie and then mafia, in both of which I tried pretty hard by my reckoning. Here are the summaries for full disclosure since they were on a different account:

Townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/67925-tl-mafia-2-gg?user=fanatacist
Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/80975-tl-mafia-3-night-5?user=fanatacist


If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games.

I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads.

For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed?

That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read.

What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous.


This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up.


[image loading]

Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies.


you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes".

Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection.

the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection.


Here it looks like tumble is putting pressure on Jealous. This is based off of defense for QT, since he gave strong townread to QT earlier here:

On June 04 2016 09:20 Tumblewood wrote:
shitty early d1 reads that I shouldn't be making
town: superbia, qt
town lean: emperor
null: moosy
scum lean: jealous
scum: [pending further posts]


To which is commented:
On June 04 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote:
if asked to defend any of my reads right now I will only respond by saying "feels"


So now that we've framed the context of the first post, I think that there are two ways of interpreting it:
1) He is protecting QT-pie
2) He's calling a bad play a bad play

From the previous context, I would think former, but reading the following posts I think the ladder:

On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 10:29 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:02 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:49 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:46 Tumblewood wrote:
tryhard newbie + Show Spoiler [*cough cough*] +
jealous
= scum newbie most of the time

With no clues to work off of and only the content of a few early posters to analyze, I don't think my behavior is suspicious in the slightest and you're trying to cast shade on someone you may know is townie.

I played my last two TL Mafia games in 2008, in which I was townie and then mafia, in both of which I tried pretty hard by my reckoning. Here are the summaries for full disclosure since they were on a different account:

Townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/67925-tl-mafia-2-gg?user=fanatacist
Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/80975-tl-mafia-3-night-5?user=fanatacist


If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games.

I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads.

For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed?


I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this.

Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess.


Do you think that town should try to look townie and eliminate themselves from the lynch pool.


No.

what
but why
it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them


On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.

He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.

For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today.

his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden.
townread suspended


On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.


In my mind, it seems that there is some sort of triangle between QT-pie, tumble and Jealsus. At first I was thinking that QT/tumble could be a pair, but "6/10" lynch is pretty strong against that, although maybe tumble doesn't think the QT vote will go through so he doesn't have to push it?

Jealsus/QT-pie: there are 3 options: 1) both town, 2) town and maf 3) both maf. I think that 3) is pretty unlikely, seems like such a ballsy play to carry out those shenanigans. I think that 2) is more likely than 1).

Jealsus/tumble: I think it's fairly well summarized from the post above: "ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills". Also: "Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment"


So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel.


has QT in a possible scum pair
On June 05 2016 00:37 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 23:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 04 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote:
going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back
playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.

Talk to me buddy. Does Quicktwist and Jealous feel like two townies caught in an argument against each other and refusing to back down due to pride or is one of them Mafia? For some reason I keep getting hints of the second even though it really looks like the first.


QT v Jealous has obviously dominated the first few pages so far. I've been thinking similarly, but that there is a third option as well --- I'm not sure how likely that is though.

On June 06 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote:
I think that Skynx could be scum, not really sure on the rest since I haven't looked too much into it due to not having too much time atm. Superbia / Tictock seem town.

Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out.

keeps QT in his lynch circle even though he was leaning more toward jealous as scum out of QT/jealous
On June 06 2016 02:53 emperorchampion wrote:
OK so I think I'm caught up.

Am I crazy for thinking that Tumble / QT are a mafia pair given the last two pages?

QT/tumble mafia pair mentioned


On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.

kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.


This, among other posts also suggests that emperor should have been pushing jealous a lot more today rather than just being complacent with the thread direction.


so my questions for emperor:

What do you read Jealous as?

Who do you want to kill and why?

Why was it so hard for you to make a solid read on QT while talking about him so often?
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 08 2016 20:01 GMT
#1379
So Skynx, let me get this straight. You scum read kush?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 08 2016 20:01 GMT
#1380
On June 09 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
To further elaborate, there is no way I'm wasting my vote on a coin-flip today.


How do you rate from most coin-flippy to least coin-flippy??
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