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On June 06 2016 22:45 emperorchampion wrote:
That's pretty crazy actually, I had a read on jealous since the QT-pie incident started. But do you reeaaallly think he could be maf? If so that's some game winning stuff right there for sure.
Looking back on it, think how bat shit crazy it would be to start a 10 page argument then post a 10000 word essay on everything.
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Merci!  crazy to see you flip this way!
I think super's filter is "empty" as well (obv not in terms of pages), I think he's pretty sketchy. Given who I think is town, it's left down to him as mafia. One issue is that there are a number of wildcards, aka blkcoffee and scott who I have no idea what they could be due to the fact that they haven't really posted anything. So for now super fill this slot.
Skynx I would have to look more thoroughly through his filter for specific examples, but I never got the sense that his posts were genuine.
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Tumble went from "6/10 would lynch" to saying, actually maybe I won't, I think that's what I found most suspicious
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Thanks for helping me fill out my filter as well!  I feel like I've learned a lot from you and super
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Some thoughts on scum teams:
-super, skynx, kush --> out unless crazy bus on kush
-TT, Fecal, scott --> shenanananaigan duo + scott + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2016 07:17 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 07:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
A lot of quiet people this close to deadline has me worried for this wagon Hmmmmmm Or is that scums plan? wifomwifomwifom On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses - 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read. I think these almost fit tooo well. It seems like he has spent a lot of time reading all filters, but has barely posted? Plus I find his scum read on TT pretty weak.
- Moosy, kush, jealous + Show Spoiler +I think that moosy is likely town. However, reassessing as scumteam makes these posts very interesting (in no particular order): + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2016 00:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I just felt like a vote for QT got the same information as a vote for jealous. For me, I became most interested in finding out if QT/Tumble were a maf team. So what's your read on Jealous now? On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this. He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 23:56 Superbia wrote:On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this. He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip? That does not facilitate such a response. From what I recall, you have taken every opportunity to call him town throughout the game. Why? I absolutely did not take every opportunity. Did you read the game? Mayhaps you'd like to take a look through my filter. What I did say is that both QT and Jealous were acting like idiots but out of the two, QT would have to be the Mafia. Looking at Jealous's behavior and his newbie slip at the start of D2, it looks like it's safe to assume he's town and put away the Jealous/kush tinfoil team. Just because I have a read on someone now doesn't mean I had it on them the whole game. Now would you care to actually read the game? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 23:57 Superbia wrote:
I can explain why I think jealous may be scum but tbh you can prob figure it out from my filter Yes, Jealous can be scum in multiple tinfoil situations and you can be unproductive by squabbling about it. Or you can actually focus on finding real scum than thinking of tinfoil situations. On June 08 2016 00:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
And no, your filter doesn't really show any sign of reading Jealous as scum. Instead, it seems more like you tacitly accept him as town than scum. So again. Why the sudden flip? - I think that kush kind of fits in here, but he could be replaceable by most i think.
aaaaaaand I have to actually do some work for now...
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Scott, tick and fecal posting in a row is some sp00ky shit haha
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On June 08 2016 03:12 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 03:10 emperorchampion wrote:
Scott, tick and fecal posting in a row is some sp00ky shit haha We came up with it in the scum QT to freak you out
Damn I want this to be true!
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On June 08 2016 03:19 Tictock wrote:
Right now I'm still tempted to vote for Skynx but his list post wasn't terrible.
Of the people voting QT I thought Skynx, Emp, and to a lesser extent Moosy were the weakest votes on him. Skynx stood out to me because he initially read QT as town but then got pressured a little for that read and ended up swapping his read and made that case on QT. Case felt somewhat contrived (especially when it wasn't his initial thinking on QT and idk why you case someone like that when other people were clearly of similar opinions).
BtDt has made a couple of big posts but he focused pretty hard on Moosy without trying to convince anyone of his read or anything and I think he's on Scott now too which just seems like picking out easy/low impact targets to me.
Emp and Kush both have some townie posts but the focus feels a little off. With Kush I get this sense of his town game but much more reserved. Like he's saying what he thinks, but not doing so in a way that pushes the game forward.
I think a lot of the past 24h has been trying to figure out super for me
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Actually Super, I am giving you a hard town read
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I don't know if deserved is the right word 
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why couldn't you just have posted:
this earlier?? Would have saved me a lot of time
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Also:
@ Shapelog, Ticktoc on the front page filter list ---> Tictock
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Meh nothing interesting since I left.
On June 08 2016 08:27 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On June 08 2016 08:01 Jealous wrote:On June 08 2016 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
i would kill BTDT still, yeah. That post where he game QT a pass for being active but then scumread jealous without mentioning his activity is still in my mind But how would that make sense for a scum strategy? The only plot that would make sense to me is that he knew QT would be lynched (should verify timestamp on this post vs. vote count at the time?), which is good for scum, so he wanted to bring me down once QT flipped town because I'd be seen as the major instigator of the movement, which is good for scum because I am town. This actually makes sense, now that I think about it. However, it depends on the timestamp. I can't check it right now and I'll be home in a few hours but if someone can do that now it would give more credit to FF's theory, imo. You are thinking about this wrong. Scum dont enact some plot. They just try to come up with stuff to say that looks as townie as possible. Most of the time they try to not lynch their scumteam. Often scum will townread someone who is up for lynch, because they know that person is town, and their objective to look as townie as possible is compelling them to point that out. That's kind of my point in him townreading QT when they know he is town, but wouldn't it make sense for him to throw doubts on my participation in QT's lynching to get me lynched as a reactive measure in Day 2 even though I am town? I don't see why scum wouldn't enact that plot, or at least have one of them do so. At the time of my compiling the data on page 55 if I recall correctly, I was one of the most scumread players in the game. Even though Skynx seems to be up for lynching based on the posts of Night/Day 2, I can't help but feel that I was also cast in a bad light and this would be advantageous to scum.
Can you clarify what you mean here, I'm just not sure what part is advantageous to scum? Also how does that relate to Skynx?
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Anyhow I'm off for the night, cya nerds later
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On June 08 2016 11:36 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 11:04 emperorchampion wrote:Meh nothing interesting since I left. On June 08 2016 08:27 Jealous wrote:On June 08 2016 08:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On June 08 2016 08:01 Jealous wrote:On June 08 2016 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
i would kill BTDT still, yeah. That post where he game QT a pass for being active but then scumread jealous without mentioning his activity is still in my mind But how would that make sense for a scum strategy? The only plot that would make sense to me is that he knew QT would be lynched (should verify timestamp on this post vs. vote count at the time?), which is good for scum, so he wanted to bring me down once QT flipped town because I'd be seen as the major instigator of the movement, which is good for scum because I am town. This actually makes sense, now that I think about it. However, it depends on the timestamp. I can't check it right now and I'll be home in a few hours but if someone can do that now it would give more credit to FF's theory, imo. You are thinking about this wrong. Scum dont enact some plot. They just try to come up with stuff to say that looks as townie as possible. Most of the time they try to not lynch their scumteam. Often scum will townread someone who is up for lynch, because they know that person is town, and their objective to look as townie as possible is compelling them to point that out. That's kind of my point in him townreading QT when they know he is town, but wouldn't it make sense for him to throw doubts on my participation in QT's lynching to get me lynched as a reactive measure in Day 2 even though I am town? I don't see why scum wouldn't enact that plot, or at least have one of them do so. At the time of my compiling the data on page 55 if I recall correctly, I was one of the most scumread players in the game. Even though Skynx seems to be up for lynching based on the posts of Night/Day 2, I can't help but feel that I was also cast in a bad light and this would be advantageous to scum. Can you clarify what you mean here, I'm just not sure what part is advantageous to scum? Also how does that relate to Skynx? The advantage to town would be that the town lynches 2 townies (QT and myself). This has nothing to do with Skynx.
OK I see what you're saying, my tired brain wasn't reading things correctly last night >.<
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On June 08 2016 11:41 Tictock wrote:I'd actually like to know why BtDt gave FF a townread for shenanigans onto him... and why I did the same thing but was just a null read + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2016 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
Given that Fecalfeast tried to initiate shenanigans makes me townread him. Since QT flipped town, there was absolutely no need for scum to try shenanigans. There were no other wagon on its way, so the mislynch must have been safe.
It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT.
As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to:
Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy
Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely.
I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high.
My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock. I still want to keep my vote on Kush though kus he doesn't seem like he cares and I remember town Kush giving a shit.
Yeah btdt really needs to show up and answer these questions
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Also I would like scott to show up and give his reasoning on reading Tictock as scum, I found it very nebulous. So many afks :/
At this point I would be willing to vote for scott/btdt/kush for begin afk, and particularly scott and kush since I'm giving them a scum lean.
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On June 08 2016 23:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Zzzzzzzzz why am i awakenso early lately
Watch Na'Vi v Alliance game 3??
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On June 09 2016 01:26 Skynx wrote:
Moosy's vote is a good example for this btw.
Wait, for being scummy or not scummy?
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EPT
