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Etellex
Profile Joined April 2016
36 Posts
May 19 2016 17:11 GMT
#1481
Not going to stay quiet. I will be posting more today. Currently I am thinking of lynching Ricey.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
May 19 2016 17:37 GMT
#1482
I'm so close to fuck it yolo voting JAT
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 19 2016 17:41 GMT
#1483
Day 6 Votecount

RiceyKins (1): Killing

Not Voting (3): Etellex, justanothertownie, RiceyKins


Day 6 ends Thursday, May 19 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
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May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
May 19 2016 18:07 GMT
#1484
I am back.
This is the program for the next hours:

Analyzing the relevant votecounts.
Reading the flipped mafias filter.
Checking the reads of competent dead townies.
Reading the filters of you 3 clowns.
Come to a conclusion.

You should all do the same.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
May 19 2016 18:08 GMT
#1485
On May 20 2016 02:37 Killing wrote:
I'm so close to fuck it yolo voting JAT

Yeah, why not yolo vote the towniest player in the game for no reason at all. Seems like a brilliant approach to LYLO.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
May 19 2016 18:28 GMT
#1486
So townie that one of the clowns didn't kill you Kappa
RiceyKins
Profile Joined April 2016
Canada106 Posts
May 19 2016 18:31 GMT
#1487
On May 12 2016 17:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 09:41 Etellex wrote:
Yo.

I went on a filter-reading spree and I have some new thoughts on who is and isn't mafia.

I noticed that killing was scumreading both Sandroba and Palmer, which would be a stupid thing to do as scum, and kush did the same. What this leads me to believe is that Killing isn't scum, just intentionally confusing. Kush also appears to be town. I don't have any scumreads but this is what I noticed.

Also Killing jesus christ lay off of Ricey, you have no reason to be this suspicious.

Please explain the bolded.


we never did get the answer to this by the way.
RiceyKins
Profile Joined April 2016
Canada106 Posts
May 19 2016 18:32 GMT
#1488
especially considering he went from thinking I was town then, and even more recently

"Riceykins: 65/35 Townie. He's discussed me the most out of anyone, this is something I haven't really noticed until now. He also seems to think I'm scum, but he backs those claims up with reasoning. Seems to be reasonable, though."

to wanting to lynch me possibly just because Killing brought it up and voted first.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
May 19 2016 18:38 GMT
#1489
On May 20 2016 03:32 RiceyKins wrote:
especially considering he went from thinking I was town then, and even more recently

"Riceykins: 65/35 Townie. He's discussed me the most out of anyone, this is something I haven't really noticed until now. He also seems to think I'm scum, but he backs those claims up with reasoning. Seems to be reasonable, though."

to wanting to lynch me possibly just because Killing brought it up and voted first.

Good point actually.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
May 19 2016 18:39 GMT
#1490
On May 20 2016 03:28 Killing wrote:
So townie that one of the clowns didn't kill you Kappa

Even more proof of their clownyness.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
May 19 2016 18:49 GMT
#1491
Ok, so votecounts:
On May 05 2016 06:00 Rels wrote:
Day 1 Final Votecount

Tubesock (4): marvellosity, Alakaslam, Mig, Alakaslam, Etellex
Etellex (4): Alakaslam, Tubesock, justanothertownie, nnn_thekushmountains, Shapelog, RiceyKins
DrParnassus (1): RiceyKins, Tubesock
RiceyKins (1): Killing
Mig (1): Fazers
Palmar (0): nnn_thekushmountains
nnn_thekushmountains (0): Alakaslam
Fazers (0): nnn_thekushmountains

Not Voting (2): DrParnassus, Palmar



Tubesock the VT was lynched!

The Day1 lynch does not tell us a lot because the flipped scummers disgustingly both didn't vote. They weren't voted on by one of the question marks either. Except for Riceys early vote on thrawn. Townpoints for that but considering how the guy didn't ever post again and the thread sentiment never really indicated a real thrawn wagon a bus is not impossible here.
Notably mafia did not vote to save Etellex in case he is the last one but since both of them were afk apparently (none of them would intentionally not vote) this argument loses a lot of strength.
On May 08 2016 06:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Final Day 2 Votecount

Palmar (6): marvellosity, nnn_thekushmountains, justanothertownie, Mig, sandroba, RiceyKins, Shaelog
Etellex (3): RiceyKins, Fazers, Killing, Alakaslam
Sandroba (2): Palmar, Shapelog
Killing (1):Palmar, Etellex

This votecount is more relevant. Mafia certainly did not want to lose their rb and strongest player Palmar on day2. The problem is all 3 of you did not vote for him early on. Killing voted the counterwagon, Etellex wasted his vote and Ricey joined the wagon way late (even after sandro) when it was clear Palmar would be lynched while the flipped mafia just doublebussed each other.
Really annoying.
On May 11 2016 06:00 Rels wrote:
Day 3 Final Votecount

sandroba (8): Mig, justanothertownie, nnn_thekushmountains, Alakaslam, RiceyKins, Fazers, Etellex, Shapelog

Not Voting (2): sandroba, Killing


sandroba the Mafia Goon was lynched!

This one is more or less irrelevant. It was clear that sandro would die that day very early. Probably even before the day started. And you guys still all joined late.
On May 14 2016 06:13 Rels wrote:
Day 4 Final Votecount

Alakaslam (5): Mig, Fazers, nnn_thekushmountains, Killing, Etellex, RiceyKins
Fazers (1): justanothertownie
Etellex (1): nnn_thekushmountains, Fazers

Not Voting (1): Alakaslam

Also irrelevant since the 3 possible mafia all voted the same guy when his fate was basically sealed already.

And Day 5 isn't even worth mentioning.

Not a lot to gain here overall.

Etellex voted to save himself day1 which in itself is nai while the rest of mafia was afk, wasted his vote when the mafia leader was up for lynch and was on the obvious main wagon ever since.
Not a good track record overall.

Ricey voted on Etellex day1 - nai - but had his vote on thrawn for a while. He is the only one who actually voted Palmar but he did it so late that there are no townpoints to be had. It is WIFOM but generally you could make the argument that voting Palmar there is something mafia should always do since everything else just makes them look horrible. Obvious main wagon ever since.
On paper a better voting record than Etellex but in reality you would probably expect mafia do vote like he did.

Killing voted ricey day1 which is once again nai but actively pushed mafia agenda day2 by voting Palmars counterwagon. The question is if mafia Killing would be this bold. If he has any feeling for the thread sentiment it is a really risky move and I can't really see the other scummers not telling him to vote elsewhere in their qt given the situation. Uninteresting votes for the rest of the lynches.
The worst voting record in the game. Maybe too bad to come from mafia though.

On to player filters.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
May 19 2016 18:59 GMT
#1492
Flipped scummers:

Thrawn/Sandro:

Thrawn didn't make a single relevant post at all.
The only interesting thing in sandros filter is this:
On May 07 2016 05:45 sandroba wrote:
So far on page 24 people I like as town are Killing and kush for sure. I kinda cheated ytd and read pages around ~38 too and I know marv claimed vet and there is no real reason I see to doubt it so there are these 3. People I particulartly don't like so far are shape, fazer and ricey. Mostly null on everyone else so far.

On May 08 2016 02:08 sandroba wrote:
Also it looks like people that I am suspicious of are voting on the counter wagon so my vote feels even better.
@killing I think you are town and you should prob move your vote. Etellex dude looks like lynch bait.

This actually makes me think Killing is more likely to be town. I don't think mafia sandro who knows he will go down sooner rather than later talks about a scumbuddy in this way. It might be an attempt at WIFOMing us but I don't really think so.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
May 19 2016 19:02 GMT
#1493
Fug u U HAVE NO PROOF I VOTED ON A TOWN!
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
May 19 2016 19:05 GMT
#1494
On May 20 2016 04:02 Killing wrote:
Fug u U HAVE NO PROOF I VOTED ON A TOWN!

Correct, but if you are mafia then you did. And what I am doing is seeing if what you guys did makes sense if you are mafia.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
May 19 2016 19:05 GMT
#1495
On May 11 2016 20:34 RiceyKins wrote:
I could see Kush fake claiming / claiming here on a whim equally lol

Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
May 19 2016 19:07 GMT
#1496
On May 20 2016 04:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2016 04:02 Killing wrote:
Fug u U HAVE NO PROOF I VOTED ON A TOWN!

Correct, but if you are mafia then you did. And what I am doing is seeing if what you guys did makes sense if you are mafia.


Honestly, if the shape kill was truly just autism, I think it's impossible that I killed him. I quoted him and asked him why he checked me so that is proof that I knew who the obvious cop was. I also didn't think shape was super townie so if I'm mafia I'd be killing a potential ml.

I'M CLEAN I SWEAR
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
May 19 2016 19:15 GMT
#1497
Palmar:
Thise whole thing about Etellex is really really weird. If Palmar wasn't so good at playing scum I would probably award townpoints to Etellex for this nonsensical defense but I have a feeling almost everything Palmar said this game is WIFOM.
On May 05 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote:
I don't really think Etellex sounds like mafia, at least if he's being genuine about his complete lack of experience.

I mean, he might be, of course, but if we take everything he says at face value then he kinda maybe sounds like not mafia.

On May 05 2016 19:56 Palmar wrote:
it's unlikely he posts that post about being inexperienced and then proceeds to give two reads that at least look like he thought about them as a rookie mafia.

On May 06 2016 04:53 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2016 01:43 Mig wrote:
palmar who are the scum if etellex sounds town to you?

Also this is pretty exceptionally lazy even for marv.

No idea and im nowhere near certain he is town. All I said is his posts don't really look like mafia posts.

On May 06 2016 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2016 12:18 Mig wrote:
Palmar is there any reason not to lynch you? You have played 8000 games surely 40 pages in you have at least some leanings on who is likely to be scum.

As I said, I have been very much afk. I have barely read any people. I opened Etellex's filter yesterday because he seemded to be the alternative to the tubesock lynch.

What I'm currently, roughly, working with is something like this:

Townie
Marv. The shot claim can be instantly counterclaimed if there are blues that contradict the veteran claim. Thus he's got to be town.
Maybe town
JAT. I had him as my biggest townread early on day 1, mostly because he had a lot of activity and didn't sound off. But now he wants to kill me for making jokes that he didn't get, which is meh.
Mig, mostly for tryharding, I haven't gone back and actually read the case on tubesock, or his actual filter but still, sounds like he wants to do things.
Etellex, mostly for just not really sounding like mafia
null
kush. I don't know if his weird fascination with lynching me is just an excuse to actually do things.
Shapelog, not read his filter, just noticed that his preferred way of talking about things this game seems to be to randomly troll whatever conversation is going on. no idea if this is the correct impression or if it actually means anything.


Of the 3 possible last scummers Etellex is the only one he talked about early on when he wasn't in imminent danger though.

This is his stuff about Killing:
On May 07 2016 00:36 Palmar wrote:
Also Killing stills sounds annoyed/hostile. It's not really a strong indication but it's something.

On May 07 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
Which post is actually scummy jat?

Btw, Etellex is now my new friend. I don't trust slam as much.

Also, someone somewhere said I was townreading marv on day 1. That's not really true, I just prefer to not call him mafia until I have a reason to to make my life easier.

Killing still sounds overly hostile and annoyed. he's probably mafia.

On May 08 2016 00:14 Palmar wrote:
##vote killing

He only becomes a target when Palmar already knows that his opinion won't sway anyone. Might be an attempt at distancing from a buddy but it is such a bullshit reason that I have my doubts.

Palmar basically ignores Ricey all game except for this short interaction:
On May 08 2016 04:44 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2016 04:23 RiceyKins wrote:
Palmar seems to buddy up to people strangely based on what stage the game is in. He did it to Etellex as everybody was still kind of thinking about him as a primary lynch after D1, he's gone after killing without saying much more than he sounds hostile but also admits he hasn't read the thread then says Sandroba needs to be lynched for doing the exact same thing he's been doing.

It's also somewhat semantics but he says he THINKS marv is town which we all know is almost guaranteed at this point. I have no issues saying Marv is town at this point. scum worries about wording to not let slip that they have information we don't. Even after the fact it could be that he's still in that mindset and wont commit to knowing marv is town. Unless for some reason the vet decided not to claim and is letting Marv organize a lynch but I find that highly unlikely. You've called him confirmed town yourself but Palmar chooses to keep him at the same level as you JAT, he thinks you're both town.

also in the same post he says Sandroba would be the best lynch, votes for killing, and then says he has no information and has no opinion on me, sandroba(?), and Slam. Which again is odd. No opinion on somebody you strongly want to lynch.

There's other small stuff as well but yeah

I'm a straight shooter, I tell it like it is.

this guy might be mafia because the bolded is basically bullshit. Of course I have basically no opinion on DrP/Sand, they haven't posted at all.

On the other hand, the very fact that they haven't posted at all makes them the correct lynch. Not necessarily the lynch most likely to flip mafia, but it is the correct play in this situation.

Which is not really interesting.

Summary:
He townreads Etellex all game for no good reason and never changes.
He scumreads Killing for no good reason and never changes.
He ignores Ricey all game.

No big revelations here but I think Ricey looks the worst from this overall.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
May 19 2016 19:16 GMT
#1498
On May 20 2016 04:07 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2016 04:05 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 20 2016 04:02 Killing wrote:
Fug u U HAVE NO PROOF I VOTED ON A TOWN!

Correct, but if you are mafia then you did. And what I am doing is seeing if what you guys did makes sense if you are mafia.


Honestly, if the shape kill was truly just autism, I think it's impossible that I killed him. I quoted him and asked him why he checked me so that is proof that I knew who the obvious cop was. I also didn't think shape was super townie so if I'm mafia I'd be killing a potential ml.

I'M CLEAN I SWEAR

Yeah, there is also proof that I 100 % knew that kush was the cop if I was mafia and yet you said you would yolo vote me just now...
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
May 19 2016 19:20 GMT
#1499
The only townfilters I will skim are marv and mig because I respect them the most (no offense to the other dead guys) and because they are the only nightkills which weren't attempts at getting rid of a blue role.
Etellex
Profile Joined April 2016
36 Posts
May 19 2016 19:24 GMT
#1500
Killing, please summarize why you believe Ricey is scum. Right now I don't think either you or Jat are scum, so the only legitimate case I have against Ricey is process of elimination. I have trusted JAT for a long time and Killing has had both Palmer and Sand on his lynch list, which I feel would be an extremely risky thing to do as mafia.

I have found little evidence of Ricey being scum, but there same goes for evidence of him being town.
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