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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 20 2016 18:04 GMT
#147
7/40

On April 21 2016 01:26 Tumblewood wrote:
.... It would also help to know whether you have a tendency to be overexplainy as town/scum.


I am fairly verbose as both alignments. (Even more so with the post-restriction, I will make sure that I avoid EBWOPs.)

Also read your filters from Storm and NSM20, first couple of pages you are pretty open-ended and then your arguments even if wrong, were still a bit more substantial than early game. So I can buy the argument that your play isn't outside the scope of town play.

I can see posts 139/140/144 coming from a town Tumbleweed. In fact 144 was also what I was thinking about GB. (More on that below.)




On April 21 2016 01:48 Koshi wrote:
Pure on guts I am inclined to believe LS over HTS. Rereading HTS her posts I somehow can see it coming from scum because it is pretty emotionless and at points over explained.

[...]

I also have a feeling that she can't or won't commit on a read on FF and hides after a lot of words and "lazy meta can go both ways"

[...]


Your gut is wrong but since you mentioned the lack of commitment I'll go ahead and give you examples as to why I said what I did:

Town lazy meta - most recently NSM 18 (I coached a townie), Carol and Titanic 7 (I remember these because I tried getting him lynched for his laziness out of ignorance)
Town active meta - Not Themed Mafia (I was scum and buddied the shit outta him)
Mafia active meta - Carnaval do Brasil, Ippo (hosted/cohosted these games)
Mafia lazy meta - Dark Tournament (we were mafia together)

So no, I have enough knowledge and direct interaction with him that I shouldn't commit to a read and that I am deliberately waiting to see more.



On GB,

GB's been around here long enough to know that bolding names is the same as voting for them, that's how it's done. So I also don't understand post 142 - I wonder if GB is trying to make something out of nothing (which is scummy). sicklucker explicitly said in post 118 his posts were just for reactions. It is implied that he's gotten nothing out of them (second sentence).

GB I'm curious as to whether you have any reads on anyone else. Your filter exclusively focus on sicklucker, there's been quite a bit of stuff happening with other people.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 20 2016 18:20 GMT
#151
8/40

Koshi, assuming you are town, I think you are completely misunderstanding most of how I'm presenting things. I'll start with post 148. If you wanted me to sum up in 1-2 lines the 5 liner that you are having issues with, what I'm saying to you is that you are town, but I think you're wrong on Fecalfeast - and I'm just explaining why - and my basis for that is the more intimate knowledge that I have on him (better explained in post 147).

That's it.

Post 149 what I was getting at there is that your argument for him for being underwhelming is something I considered NAI (again better explained in post 147), and that other criteria that will revolve around me better able to evaluate him (i.e. voting, VCA, NK analysis, late game play). Right now, he's null - hence the wording "he could be mafia". Because right now the state of his play could be coming from either alignment.

Am I making better sense?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 20 2016 21:45 GMT
#178
9/40

I honestly have no idea at this juncture why people are trying to lynch me aside from overexplanation (which I explained at least twice now in thread), but it also seems like my points on GB (and he hasn't returned since) also got lost in the shuffle.

Damdred and Koshi, hedging on what exactly? I gave my explicit reasons for waiting on Fecalfeast at the time I did. The first few posts when he re-entered, particularly the comment on Fidei, seems reflective of his town game.

Damdred, you might want to read gumshoe's post on me - he actually understood what I was trying to say on Koshi and his read on Fecalfeast.

Also you are completely ignoring why I backtracked on Tumbleweed. Try again, or at least read my filter, I know you are one to play a lot on mobile, so assuming you are not mafia trying to get a mislynch, you very well might have missed what I did to get where I am now. Re: Koshi, I read his filter a few times as we were going back and forth and I get the sense he's town even if he's dead wrong on me.

Right now, based on the people I've looked at, GB and LS both look the most suspicious, but I haven't read in depth from page 8 other than the accusations.

I'd also like to see more from sicklucker. IIRC he played a semi-inactive scum game in Drams. We're just north of the halfway point so I do want to see some serious reads soonish.

Updated reads from DYH (yes I know he's generally low volume, but still) and Shapelog would be great. Will probably read Shapelog again given what Tumble said about the quality of his answers, but seeing as how a lot of my townreads are playing and the number of people that have posted less than me, I get the feeling someone has me fooled, one mafia is pushing my lynch and the third is really playing under the radar.

Fidei, the last game I played full stop with LS was Dark Tournament (unaliased, mind you), even the smurf game aside, LS has been upfront about changing his meta since Cell mafia so I am approaching all his posts at face value. As in, yes he's giving reads, but I am checking into why he's making them.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 20 2016 22:05 GMT
#187
10/40

LS, regarding your followthrough with Tictock (post 137, first quote) because your filter isn't very clear, where do you (LS) stand on him now and why? You have through posts 177 and 182 responding to him, but you haven't actually said anything regarding his alignment since you scumread him for his opening salve.

On April 21 2016 06:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 05:55 Tictock wrote:
On April 21 2016 05:14 Fidei86 wrote:
2/40

@TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure.

I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will.


I kind-of agree with it in the sense that his point tracks, but a weak open doesn't necessarily make you mafia.




I'm not sure I'll have much time tonight for this so I think I'm going to place my vote on Tumble for now.

His opening consisted of quoting and responding to 3 posts, but really had no content to it. Just feels like a "look at me talking about stuff" kinda post.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2016 10:02 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 07:30 Koshi wrote:
My vote will be on the person who I think contributed the least and will be the hardest to read town in future days.

I've been considering trying a meta like this too. Think I'm going to join you this game.
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 07:39 Shapelog wrote:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote:
Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.

I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.

We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.

Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!

[1]

Lol Damdred.

I personally hate Plynchs in general tbh. Prob. because I like content and not luck in lynching someone lol (even though I rarely make it easy for people to read me as town via content )

Also yes, was bout to do this.

[3][3/5 for off the bat]

Why do you take this opportunity to talk about plynches
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 20 2016 09:32 Tictock wrote:
Oh cool, this started already.

I'll check in later when there is stuff to read.

kinda dislike this post because he blatantly doesn't want to stir up discussion.

I give this post a 1 out of 1. There wasn't much to make out of this, but you made all you could. Well done.

Bam look at this efficiency I do in one post what you do in three
Also was that gumshoe vote not a joke


His push on shape about plynches doesn't really make much sense. I just don't get why Shape saying he dislikes policy lynches is so important to Tumble, feels more like he is making something out of nothing.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain.

On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread.
HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.



He says:
me [Tumblewood] and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far.

With pretty weak reasoning for the LS townread...

His scumreads are weak.
+ Show Spoiler +
Shape- for not giving better answers to his Plynch questions?
HtS - kus she is scumreading his townreads (himself and LS)
Myself- Kus my first post said I would come back to the game later.


It also doesn't seem like he's reading that game too closely. His read on me is based on my first post but doesn't seem to have noticed I've made more posts than that.

Also this series of posts doesn't seem like he's reading very closly/not paying attn.
On April 20 2016 11:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 20 2016 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Are you being serious right now SL?

3

speaking on behalf of SL
no

On April 21 2016 02:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 21 2016 01:48 Koshi wrote:
Pure on guts I am inclined to believe LS over HTS. Rereading HTS her posts I somehow can see it coming from scum because it is pretty emotionless and at points over explained.

I also have a feeling that she can't or won't commit on a read on FF and hides after a lot of words and "lazy meta can go both ways"


I am also thinking I like Tumble his last post. That actually sounds like townie reasoning.


So I actually am more inclined to lynch HtS over FF atm but I am going to stick on FF.


I could comment on more things I think but I don't want to be the driving force behind any conversation.

Like this post but mostly because it affirms what I was already saying. Why don't you want to be the driving force behind conversation?
On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:
4
Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts

He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:

1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.

Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective

Also like this post, GB gets to be a townlean for now. Solid, original insight.

On April 21 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote:
Actually no
The post I think you're talking about-- are you sure that's serious? Could easily be a joke or to get a reaction.


##Vote: Tumblewood



This doesn't make Tumblewood scum it as if you forgot about Storm and you never read Newbie Student XX >.< I see him as a newer version of me: Hard to read for some people but given time he easier to read.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 20 2016 22:37 GMT
#201
11/40

On April 21 2016 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:
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On April 21 2016 07:21 Koshi wrote:
It irks me the wrong way because you did not comment on the post from HTS that I found extremely townie. And even though you know I really liked that post and am willing to townread her.

You still scumread her without hesitation and use my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. Which is really odd to do.

She can put up effort as scum even when she was sick in Void mafia and in Newbie LX. I seen her do that kind of stuff as scum so that why I didn't comment on it. I also trying to trust my reads more than other people's regarding my scumreads so seeing people thinking the same way makes me more confident about my read. Like talk to Tina and Lex after this game or hell check post game of Newbie Student XX about me needing to trust my reads more.


There's effort and quality of effort. I'll bring up LX since you are, and you should remember it well as I got you mislynched. That game, I had an agenda, I was squarely on you and Binks, the mislynches we needed to win the game. I ignored my scumbuddies, especially my roleblocker. Here, I'm not leaving any stone unturned, and I believe this is why Koshi saw townieness in that post (presumably) at least bringing attention to those under the radar.

Here's another question for you LS - let's say I lose the plot tonight and get modkilled. I will flip town.
Whom would you vote for then? I asked you about your only other scumread Tictock, and now you are townreading him (190).

So I flip town, where do you go from here?

(Damdred, same question for you since I'm your most likely vote, please.)
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 20 2016 22:43 GMT
#203
12/40

On April 21 2016 07:37 Shapelog wrote:
gumshoe called me a cunt :/ A little one at that

Anyways, I've done my rounds in my other game. I skimmed tbh to this point right now (about to cook/eat dinner) and this is just some things I noted.

* LS has fucking used almost 25 posts. And roughly about the time I wrote this statement, it is 24 hours in. I wouldn't usually mind LS spam, but he is chewing through them like hot cakes. like for him to try to condense it down.

*GB has posted about SL. And that is still it. I want him to expand a little bit. He also seems to ignore Tumble/someone's post responding about if SL was serious or not. I feel like with the focus he is giving to SL, he should of responded to those (at least IMO)

YH and SL are silent

Other than that, nothing strikes me off the bat. After Dinner I look at things more closely.

[10? idk, I just say 10]


I was going to make a post about you possibly being scum and then I lost it in all the tabs I have open here - I'm reading your filter and you don't have concrete reads on ANYONE. I mean you investigated Tictock and you deferred on Tumble, but some of the others? I would have expected you by at least post 135 to have at LEAST scumread me based on my interactions with you, but you didn't even do that, Koshi's first scumread on me came about an hour after you hedged (yes I checked timestamps).

You've made these observations but I don't feel they are adding anything of value to the discussion alignment wise. I've also been the elephant in the room, so to speak....and you've said jack all on me.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 20 2016 23:30 GMT
#208
13/40

Going through more filters - here are some more interesting observations

On April 21 2016 05:09 Tictock wrote:
Right now I wouldn't be opposed to lynching any of these people for varying reasons.

4. Shapelog
6. Fidei86
7. DoYouHas
8. Tumblewood
9. GlowingBear
11. LightningStrike


Why was sicklucker left off this list?




Also I looked into Damdred...

I was getting leery of Damdred for a bit given his position on me, and his reaction given the way LS was already responding to pressure in the context of the conversation (note FF's post quoted by Damdred, the same one others have commented on)

Additionally, he was still willing to lynch me over LS at the time Koshi changed votes (nb: Koshi, your vote isn't in the vote thread, but I digress) - see page 10. So that is a bit curious.

On April 21 2016 06:24 Damdred wrote:

[...]

As for ls I had a scum read in one of my posts about his opening and him rehashing earlier posts.

Now I think he's been ok, he's been helpful and has tried to eliminate people based off meta. I'm not 100% it makes him lock town but it's enough to give him time see how he handles lynch without pressure on him and what he does with his time.


On April 21 2016 07:06 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
LS you're using so many posts just trying to discredit what people say about you rather than trying to find scum.


And this is different than every other game how?

Anyway I'm going to hedge on hts now until tommorow.


It is bothering me sl is getting so little attention especially with his lack of try hard as s um lately.


...but then I saw this post by Damdred which I actually thought was pretty damn good.

On April 21 2016 06:04 Damdred wrote:
TT why do you ignore everything posted on hts which isn't bad even if it's in early stages, only look at tumble to scum read but ignore ff who you were unhappy with his answer to you but didn't put him in your lynch list when he semi dodged you?


And looking at Tumbleweed's filter, the last three posts he was scumread for? The final two in post where he voted Tumbleweed was correcting himself. The point was very valid one to make on GB.

So I'm actually conflicted on Damdred here - Koshi given your input on LS, I'm curious to hear your viewpoint on Damdred since his behaviour parallels LS's in this fashion (again, read bottom of page 9 through 10 where you change your vote).

But I'd also now like to see updated reads from Tictock. Leaving sicklucker off is quite interesting...




So here's where I stand:

Will lynch
LightningStrike (voting currently)

Needs justification/updated reads - most likely at least one scum in here:
sicklucker
Shapelog
Tictock
DYH
GlowingBear

Seemed okay to me prior to leaving - updated reads would help
gumshoe

Tinfoil mafia (see above breakdown for why, or read pages 9 and 10)
Damdred

Townlean
Tumbleweed - could be copying town meta as scum, but was fine with his latest point on GB. Last post was 5h ago though but updated reads will help.

Town
Fecalfeast - points on Fidei/LS
Koshi - led the push on me and then reconsidered his read on LS
Fidei - points as pointed out by Koshi, town meta also recognisable to me

I'm stopping here, since I'm knackered.

Good night.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 13:43 GMT
#224
14/40

I'm a little bothered by the fact that there are 10 out of 13 North American players in this game and yet there was a disproportionately small amount of activity.

Damdred, I re-read what you posted after what I posted and I realised I completely misunderstood what you meant about hedging on me between today and tomorrow - I took that as hedging your bets on me. I'll address that and a few other things in another post.




I'm going to hit on LS's last two posts as being further problematic and why.

(1) In post 212, he dodges the question as to who else is scum (expand the spoiler) in spite of there being a shittone of content at this point from other people and
(2) his points about me putting more effort as scum does not in any way address the rebuttal I had in post 201.

LS, in case you missed it I'll highlight it yet again.

On April 21 2016 07:37 Half the Sky wrote:
11/40

[...]

There's effort and quality of effort. I'll bring up LX since you are, and you should remember it well as I got you mislynched. That game, I had an agenda, I was squarely on you and Binks, the mislynches we needed to win the game. I ignored my scumbuddies, especially my roleblocker. Here, I'm not leaving any stone unturned, and I believe this is why Koshi saw townieness in that post (presumably) at least bringing attention to those under the radar.

Here's another question for you LS - let's say I lose the plot tonight and get modkilled. I will flip town.
Whom would you vote for then? I asked you about your only other scumread Tictock, and now you are townreading him (190).

So I flip town, where do you go from here?

(Damdred, same question for you since I'm your most likely vote, please.)


This has nothing to do with the amount of effort I'm putting in as either alignment and at best is a bad argument on your part.

This is not about level of effort, this is about my agenda as either alignment, which you are ignoring entirely.

Furthermore there are 3-5 players that at this stage are still not contributing a whole lot and the fact that you are saying jack all on a few of these makes me think pre-associative (yes I realise this), that there is a scum in this bunch and that you are trying to not give your teammates away if/when you should flip. This is why I asked you about other scummers - there are three in this game - and wanted to test the possibility of someone being completely tunnelled but this I feel is even less of the case.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 13:56 GMT
#230
15/40

On April 21 2016 22:42 Fidei86 wrote:
[10/40]

@HTS I was a bit concerned to see you town read me for standard town meta. As far as I can see, my usual town meta is big long list post on D1 followed up with lots of messages IN ALL CAPS. In our last game where I was scum you were like "oh it's pretty suspicious that he isn't talking very much" - and in this game I've been pretty quiet.

If there's one person in the game I'd trust to soul read me, it's you. But I'm suspicious that you just basically echoed Koshi's read on me without even putting any real gloss on it.


Here's the thing - I'm aware of your RL commitments in and out of the office. I will not ever talk about people's RL excuses unless OGI is the difference between them getting lynched or not. Right now, that's not the case, you aren't in any way up for lynch. And you almost certainly have even less time to play than you did when I last played with you as town (namely Dark Tournament). I am weighting that into the quality of your play now, in fact your last re-entry post, I am pretty sure I can guess as to why your play is more sporadic. So I'm simply going by what you already have out. "Standard town meta" was probably a VERY poor way of wording that, but what I felt you had out was well within my expectations given your RL commitments. Additionally, you displayed some caution with some of the other tentative players (Tictock, LS) for similar reasons.

Also my reads can change. I'm aware for instance, that as mafia, you fall off quite hard.




Tumbleweed, I'm giving you the BoD based on my reading what you had in Storm Mafia and XX for Day 1 and then seeing what you had through post 144. It's reasonable enough for a D1 lean, though based on those two games I'm probably going to weigh more heavily your play in subsequent days.

I'd like to see you look a bit more into some of the lower volume posters though and take a stance either way, I realise it's Day 1 but there has been some content at least from DYH and sicklucker.




sicklucker, I went through your post and I have a few questions

(1) Why is Tictock strong?
(2) LS has faked his meta as mafia (which you allude to as cute) in Cell Mafia. Give me something more concrete as to why he's town
(3) Shapelog hasn't made concrete reads - that should tell you something. His filter isn't very long...
(4) Expand on GB's scum meta of pushing you - I've played with you both quite a bit and I'm completely unaware of it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 14:17 GMT
#232
16/40

(Note to everyone: I am going to be consolidating posts like crazy, because quite frankly I have a lot to say.)

LightningStrike

On April 21 2016 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Rolf she just claimed scum gfuys. There is always one scum within me and HTS. HTS I challenge you to a 1v1 Death Match winner takes all this phase.


And you refuse to answer the question again. If the Duel mechanic were available I'd 100% have done it. But since it's not I'll ask the question YET AGAIN.

Assume Artanis and/or Hapahauli modkill me. I will flip town. There are three mafia in this game.
Even if I'm mafia in your eyes there have to be two more mafia and your hesitance to name them is quite troubling. You were given multiple chances to answer this question and I'm not terribly impressed by using the post count excuse to defer on the question especially when Artanis has given a posting bonus in the ultimate hour of the cycle.




Fidei

On April 21 2016 23:01 Fidei86 wrote:
[13/40]

Does anyone else get the sense that TT really doesn't believe his push on Tumble? I mean, it's not like Tumble has said anything particularly egregious. The whole thing made me feel like TT wanted to find a target and so just pulled things out of every post Tumble made and span them negatively.


I called this into question last night. I wanted him to explain that as well.




Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either.

The caveat on Damdred is reasonable.

My only concern with DYH is he's not commented on some of the others - at the very least I figured he could have weighed in on LS. There are a couple of other reasons why I think DYH could have posted the way he did but I want to see a bit more out of him.




Tumbleweed

I noticed you are townreading Tictock for more or less effort. However, Tictock has put effort into his games as scum. Reference Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - he carried the scum team there, and The Nutcracker game - he was putting in quite a bit of effort until the DT redchecked him in mylo.
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Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 16:18 GMT
#243
17/40

On April 22 2016 01:06 GlowingBear wrote:
How much time do we have until deadline?


Just south of 6h15. 2330 BST, you're what, 2-3 hours behind?




Tictock any thoughts on Damdred?

Also re: your point on Tumbleweed, I would make the argument newer players really shouldn't be metaing people after a paltry 2 games played but I digress. This was Tumbleweed's post among a few defending LS:

On April 21 2016 01:36 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 00:50 Half the Sky wrote:
6/40

Shapelog, I'll rephrase the question.

Tumbleweed, on the basis you townread LS (and I argued why it was poor), why couldn't that same critieria also come from mafia?

That is mainly what I was trying to get at. I feel the bases for all his reads are pretty weak and I just don't know if that's his style (which you are contending) or whether he's actually mafia, the posts seem scummy to me.

Also regarding post 134, the inset is part of the reason I scumread LS, double standard. Also just because I vote someone doesn't mean it's final. If I have reason to second guess my thinking or I find a better lynch I can always unvote.

I think it's townie because that's the kind of post scum just ignores. After playing Storm and XX with him, I don't really scumread him for having bad reasons for his reads, because that seems to be NAI for him.


....which by my interpretation seems to incorporate some meta into it.

LS looks worse with every post IMO - and in response to his point about LS defending him - scum are very perfectly capable of defending townies when it suits their agenda.

I'm still looking at others in the event we need to consolidate - the votes are a shambles right now with 6h15 to go - but LS is my top lynch pick. By far.

Fidei had the issue with you possibly taking the Tumbleweed posts out of context. The posts you quoted earlier I didn't think were problematic.

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Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 16:28 GMT
#244
18/40

On April 22 2016 00:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 23:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either.

The caveat on Damdred is reasonable.

My only concern with DYH is he's not commented on some of the others - at the very least I figured he could have weighed in on LS. There are a couple of other reasons why I think DYH could have posted the way he did but I want to see a bit more out of him.

The ceveat on Damdred is reasonable but it could also be that Damdred changed his view on HtS around the same time as I did.

But the part he said about Shape has nothing to do with what you said he did:
Show nested quote +
but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on.

Where did you see DYH make an argument on Shape that had anything to do with alignment related posts?

in my eyes mafia DYH looked for something to contribute and found himself writing down something completely NAI against Shape who just makes odd posts.


Anyway, point out to me where DYH made the argument that Shape is not making enough alignment related posts. He said nothing about that.


Koshi - let's break it down.

On April 21 2016 13:20 DoYouHas wrote:

[...]

Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet.

I'm a little worried about Damdred. He was very quick to help Koshi against HtS and seemed like he dropped the pressure as soon as Koshi(who I'm leaning town on) wasn't leading the charge anymore.


On April 21 2016 13:27 DoYouHas wrote:
Actually, I want to revise what I said about Shape. It isn't so much that he is self-conscious. It is more that he is just talking about himself a lot, even after the beginning posts.

Filtering LS to see if I want to sheep HtS.


The focus is "doesn't seem to be doing much" - implied is that he's not taking stances on whoever he's mentioning. He's not doing anything with the words he's saying. You can argue a few points against others in this game for the same thing but multiple people now had called out Shapelog for having no stances on people. Nothing committal until this last list post.

That said I'm not totally off DYH, like I said before commenting on others he hasn't mentioned yet would help me be able to better read him and weigh him against the other low volume posters for this game.
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Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 21:44 GMT
#299
19/40

I'm back, skimmed the thread, and reading filters. I'm seeing the contrarian (non-meta) reasons for townreads on LS to be coming down to a suicidal push on me, the meta reasons for reading him town are out the window unless you've forgotten Cell Mafia so quickly so any emotion he is displaying he's already proven he can fake that as mafia. So I am completely disregarding that.

LS would still be my top active lynch. Definitely wouldn't lynch Koshi or Damdred and I need to re-read Tictock, the push on Tumbleweed seemed weird.

For the inactives, just skimming filters, sicklucker is by far the top lynch for me in that category. Double checking gumshoe from the beginning atm, but if people aren't lynching LS, then I'd lynch sicklucker for consolidation.
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Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 21:46 GMT
#304
19/40 + 2/5

EBWOP - I mean I seriously and honestly do not understand why ANYBODY is townreading LS. Yes I've read both Damdred and Koshi's reasoning, but I strongly disagree.
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Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 22:02 GMT
#321
19/40 + 3/5

Since it's apparent no one wants to lynch LS, then I'm going to go ahead and switch to sicklucker.
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Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 22:11 GMT
#337
19/40 + 4/5

On April 22 2016 07:03 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 07:02 Half the Sky wrote:
19/40 + 3/5

Since it's apparent no one wants to lynch LS, then I'm going to go ahead and switch to sicklucker.

why are you ignoring FF wanting to lynch you?
why are you ignoring FF all together?
xcept that horrible post in which you wrote 5 lines about him being 100% null.


I completely missed him wanting to lynch me honestly in having the bazillion tabs open and reading all the filters.

I saw remants of his town game in 155/156 (this post similar to reads he made in NSM18, which I coached/186 and 245 (the comment on me is reflective of the town paranoia that I saw again in NSM 18).

This is extremely weak though and I know I could very well be wrong on him.

As for sicklucker I had 4 questions for him that remained outstanding and all pointed tot he problems I had with his list post.
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Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 22:13 GMT
#341
19/40 + 5/5

I really want Damdred and Koshi to explain why they are lynching me or looking to do so, because I'm beyond clueless on that right now.
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Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 22:17 GMT
#351
20/40

On April 21 2016 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
15/40

[...]

sicklucker, I went through your post and I have a few questions

(1) Why is Tictock strong?
(2) LS has faked his meta as mafia (which you allude to as cute) in Cell Mafia. Give me something more concrete as to why he's town
(3) Shapelog hasn't made concrete reads - that should tell you something. His filter isn't very long...
(4) Expand on GB's scum meta of pushing you - I've played with you both quite a bit and I'm completely unaware of it.


sicklucker, I had these questions of your list post.

And Fecalfeast, what prompted you to suggest voting me?


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Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 22:19 GMT
#354
22/40

On April 22 2016 07:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'd really prefer to play later in the game where it's easier to make reads. I've posted reads when I had them.


Now THIS is a remnant of the Dark Tournament (mafia) Fecalfeast.

>_<
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Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 22:21 GMT
#356
23/40

On April 22 2016 07:17 sicklucker wrote:
Well thats a dumb reason sicklucker cares for no man. Maybe ladys. kill hts tho


Why? Read my filter, I highlighted again what I took issue with before I said what I did about lynching you.
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