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On April 17 2016 02:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 02:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:On April 16 2016 15:11 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2016 14:57 Tumblewood wrote:
I read gaiden, that's only like six months ago
Perhaps what I'm saying is that I expect rsoul to be more... disagreeable? That's the distinguishing factor I see between her town and scum games.
Going to sleep soon so if you have any questions ask now. -squints at- dude i'm just not scum, and i don't have cookie cutter games. i can be abrasive as scum very easily, and agreeable or lost as town just as easily. but regardless, there are two very good reasons you shouldn't be sitting there applying meta reads to me 1. you haven't played in the games you're citing and therefore have no clue about context (plus let's just be honest probably went in there with a pre-conceived bias since you already think i'm scum based on never having played with me as town) and 2. you're wrong and annoying me and should stop cause this is wasting time when i'm literally one of the only people in the thread who even seems interested in trying to get town organized enough to have a shot in hell at actually lynching scum this phaseblah -_- it would be super nice if only scum would scumread me lol >< Tumble makes a decent point about rsoul somewhat lacking emotion just before and the result is this unwarranted attack.Not the biggest fan. it's kinda amazing how long some of you have played with me and yet you still can't figure out really simple things. i don't treat scumreads and townreads the same, but some newbie even with good intentions sitting there trying to build a meta-read off 6-month old towngames is ridiculous i doubt you'd appreciate it either I have no idea what you think is ridiculous about it. He is doing work and if you want to do it right you need to look at older games. Especially if you don't have your own experience with the other player.
seriously jat? i'm not saying he's scum. get off my ass
also, tumble, read. of course palmar's case isn't right. i'm town. it's by definition wrong. that doesn't mean i have to think he's scum for it any more than i have to think you're scum when you're wrong. how is this so hard to understand?
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Anyways, I will be traveling now so that I am home with some time left before deadline. Phone is almost dead so the most I can do is reread stuff I am saving on my laptop right now.
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On April 17 2016 02:43 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 02:40 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 02:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:On April 16 2016 15:11 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2016 14:57 Tumblewood wrote:
I read gaiden, that's only like six months ago
Perhaps what I'm saying is that I expect rsoul to be more... disagreeable? That's the distinguishing factor I see between her town and scum games.
Going to sleep soon so if you have any questions ask now. -squints at- dude i'm just not scum, and i don't have cookie cutter games. i can be abrasive as scum very easily, and agreeable or lost as town just as easily. but regardless, there are two very good reasons you shouldn't be sitting there applying meta reads to me 1. you haven't played in the games you're citing and therefore have no clue about context (plus let's just be honest probably went in there with a pre-conceived bias since you already think i'm scum based on never having played with me as town) and 2. you're wrong and annoying me and should stop cause this is wasting time when i'm literally one of the only people in the thread who even seems interested in trying to get town organized enough to have a shot in hell at actually lynching scum this phaseblah -_- it would be super nice if only scum would scumread me lol >< Tumble makes a decent point about rsoul somewhat lacking emotion just before and the result is this unwarranted attack.Not the biggest fan. it's kinda amazing how long some of you have played with me and yet you still can't figure out really simple things. i don't treat scumreads and townreads the same, but some newbie even with good intentions sitting there trying to build a meta-read off 6-month old towngames is ridiculous i doubt you'd appreciate it either I have no idea what you think is ridiculous about it. He is doing work and if you want to do it right you need to look at older games. Especially if you don't have your own experience with the other player. seriously jat? i'm not saying he's scum. get off my ass also, tumble, read. of course palmar's case isn't right. i'm town. it's by definition wrong. that doesn't mean i have to think he's scum for it any more than i have to think you're scum when you're wrong. how is this so hard to understand?
I did not say you were calling him scum. Your reaction is unwarranted especially if you think he is town.
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On April 17 2016 02:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 02:43 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 02:40 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 02:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:On April 16 2016 15:11 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2016 14:57 Tumblewood wrote:
I read gaiden, that's only like six months ago
Perhaps what I'm saying is that I expect rsoul to be more... disagreeable? That's the distinguishing factor I see between her town and scum games.
Going to sleep soon so if you have any questions ask now. -squints at- dude i'm just not scum, and i don't have cookie cutter games. i can be abrasive as scum very easily, and agreeable or lost as town just as easily. but regardless, there are two very good reasons you shouldn't be sitting there applying meta reads to me 1. you haven't played in the games you're citing and therefore have no clue about context (plus let's just be honest probably went in there with a pre-conceived bias since you already think i'm scum based on never having played with me as town) and 2. you're wrong and annoying me and should stop cause this is wasting time when i'm literally one of the only people in the thread who even seems interested in trying to get town organized enough to have a shot in hell at actually lynching scum this phaseblah -_- it would be super nice if only scum would scumread me lol >< Tumble makes a decent point about rsoul somewhat lacking emotion just before and the result is this unwarranted attack.Not the biggest fan. it's kinda amazing how long some of you have played with me and yet you still can't figure out really simple things. i don't treat scumreads and townreads the same, but some newbie even with good intentions sitting there trying to build a meta-read off 6-month old towngames is ridiculous i doubt you'd appreciate it either I have no idea what you think is ridiculous about it. He is doing work and if you want to do it right you need to look at older games. Especially if you don't have your own experience with the other player. seriously jat? i'm not saying he's scum. get off my ass also, tumble, read. of course palmar's case isn't right. i'm town. it's by definition wrong. that doesn't mean i have to think he's scum for it any more than i have to think you're scum when you're wrong. how is this so hard to understand? I did not say you were calling him scum. Your reaction is unwarranted especially if you think he is town.
it probably is. yet i'm not wrong in saying until you know how to meta it's probably a bad idea to go through old games and try to meta, especially with pre-conceived notions
can you honestly say i am? and i'm sorry that i'm getting irritated when palmar's sitting there calling me scum all d1 and sniping and i've got newbies trying to meta and failing and everyone's saying i'm playing like shit when from my perspective i'm one of the only people trying at all
but no keep telling me i shouldn't be annoyed that's fine ^^ shoo
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Okay I have a little bit of time before tabletop starts.
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Meh I probably won't be around to EoD. But I'll try. x:
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Some quick Q&A before I explain why we should lynch palmar.
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On April 16 2016 22:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Super you might want to explain any/all of those reads.
Pretty much all gut.
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On April 17 2016 01:24 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, well here are my problems with Superbia:
- generally inactive (mostly NAI with a slight lean toward scum given he just came off a game as 3p)
- lack of meaningful contribution when he's here
- disappearing the moment he gets questioned after giving a dismissive answer (<- could be coincidence but i kinda doubt it)
- the post palmar quoted (so...while there's nothing that says a player can't think that another having the same reads as you might make them more town, saying i might be okay for that but then voting me anyway means he at least doesn't believe it very much, and i personally find it hard to believe that after he just played with me in storm where i bussed pretty much my entire scum team that he actually thinks this would have any bearing on my alignment anyway. it doesn't line up)
@super...meh=mehfia doesn't really cut it. tw explained what he meant and i'd like you to explain as well, cause much as i've been pressured from the start of the game again (yay! \o/ so much fun) it seems like a convenient survivalist piggy-back to me. believe it or not i'd rather lynch mafia today than a town super playing badly so help me out here if you're town ^^ otherwise feel free to stay afk lol
also getting more and more okay with lynching gb as time goes on ^^
I just recently started a job which means I'm not around when I'm usually around (i.e. pretty much not at all). It fucked me in the ass during last game (kinda), but in-activeness is NAI for me (imo). Anyway Friday is almost super busy for me because I come home to edh/board game night. And Saturdays are reserved for spending time w/ GF. Anyway, I kind of hate explaining these kinds of things but it's sort of important.
I also don't think I gave a dismissive answer. I didn't elaborate on my reads but tbh there wasn't much to elaborate on.
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On April 17 2016 02:51 Superbia wrote:
Some quick Q&A before I explain why we should lynch palmar.
Even if you came up with a fantastic case which you can't with the stuff he has done we will not lynch palmar on a weekend.
If you are town don't waste your time with this.
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Now: Palmar:
Town palmar would've taken a grip on the game already. Tbf the game is going pretty much nowhere this close to EoD (imo). It's very undirected. Town palmar takes control and leads a direction. The push on rso is not.
In fact, Palmar's push on rso indicates a plan. And from all my games with palmar, he always has some sort of planned d1 as scum. He makes up some sort of plan or method to determine who is scum or something similar. This push on rso seems the exact same way (though I do not know what it says about rso's alignment). Pre-planned.
His read on me adds on to the lack of town direction he's taken this game. As town you are usually aligned to the people who have similar reads. That's why it is not weird for me to half-flip on rso. The fact that Palmar groups us together cements this un-townie, overfocused mindset.
I encourage everyone to check out Palmar's scum games and look at his play d1 (specifically the ones I was in as well, I believe it was russia or titanic or something). It's pre-planned and lazy.
Now look at his town games. It starts off super lazy but he always picks up very quickly. Especially when the town has no leader (i.e. as we have now). He is nowhere this game. This some prepackaged bullshit plan.
##Vote: Palmar
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On April 17 2016 03:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 02:51 Superbia wrote:
Some quick Q&A before I explain why we should lynch palmar. Even if you came up with a fantastic case which you can't with the stuff he has done we will not lynch palmar on a weekend. If you are town don't waste your time with this.
We are. 100%.
I am very certain on this.
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What the fuck does "we will not lynch palmar on a weekend" even mean.
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On April 17 2016 03:02 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 03:00 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 02:51 Superbia wrote:
Some quick Q&A before I explain why we should lynch palmar. Even if you came up with a fantastic case which you can't with the stuff he has done we will not lynch palmar on a weekend. If you are town don't waste your time with this. We are. 100%. I am very certain on this.
Irrelevant. Not happening.
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On April 17 2016 03:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 03:02 Superbia wrote:On April 17 2016 03:00 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 02:51 Superbia wrote:
Some quick Q&A before I explain why we should lynch palmar. Even if you came up with a fantastic case which you can't with the stuff he has done we will not lynch palmar on a weekend. If you are town don't waste your time with this. We are. 100%. I am very certain on this. Irrelevant. Not happening.
Not irrelevant.
Why are you defending Palmar?
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Your Palmar meta is completely wrong too. He has been mislynched for being afk day1 numerous times.
Afk.
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We're starting any moment. Explain your defense JAT.
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On April 17 2016 01:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 01:54 gumshoe wrote:On April 17 2016 01:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi gais, I'm here haro, I answered your earlier question on page 15. Ok I've read it. So you really trust in that analysis? It wasn't just to have people discussing?
Do I think it's the end all be all of proof that Onegu is town? Nop, I've been wrong with way more evidence than that in hand (bh). Do I think it has merit though? Sure. The data I found showed that Onegu tends to try and seem sullen when he vt claims as scum, that or he skips the vt claim entirely. If Onegu is scum, something has caused him not to react as he normally would. It would be equally erroneous to disregard his diverging behavior entirely as it would be too treat it as an actual exoneration.
Yet thats all besides the point, the real question you should be asking is "would town gumshoe do this just to start discussion"? The answer is of course yes. Done exactly that many a gam, (though I'm usually convinced what I have to say has some basis all the same ; P). So if you still think I'm scummy, then you must accept that your doing so based off feel rather than reason, which I would consider a clear mistake in light of the last time you were 'certain' I was scum.
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On April 17 2016 03:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Your Palmar meta is completely wrong too. He has been mislynched for being afk day1 numerous times.
Afk.
Incorrect. I actually think Palmar is decently easy to read. Mostly because I can find part of my town gameplay in his town gameplay.
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On April 17 2016 03:05 Superbia wrote:
We're starting any moment. Explain your defense JAT.
Nope. Boarding train right now.
I will not allow a Palmar lynch today.
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EPT
