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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 06:28 GMT
#373
Would you prefer if I just said spidey senses
Anyway, good night, don't miss me too much
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 17:38 GMT
#418
Many disappointed ohs were uttered during the course of catching up.
Idk how you can read Palmar's case, think "this is a bad case," and then townread Palmar for it on the assumption that, if he's scum, it would be a suicide attack or a failure.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 18:11 GMT
#444
Super, I think JAT's reason for not wanting a Palmar lynch is that he's usually inactive on weekends. And why does that make him scum? You don't defend your scum partner by just saying no.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 18:48 GMT
#454
On April 17 2016 03:33 gumshoe wrote:
So I’m pretty confidant that tumbleweed is scum,

Show nested quote +
“If the person who called Onegu town at the very start is scum, Onegu is town.
Gumshoe is prob town


This initial post is a mess, Jas called him out on it, but I really feel he left him off too easy.

On the one hand, Tumble is saying that I did something typical of scum, therefore onegu is town.

On the other hes saying that I’m his top town read(while not offering any evidence as to why ) and that onegu is just null

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Oh Onegu is one of those people who prefers talking about how great they are to playing the game
Yeah I'm not reading him until he actually has content

Hes of two completely opposite minds here, his two stances in his first few posts pretty much cancel out, though he seems to still regard me as town for reasons he hasn't actually provided. Only one piece of information can actually be extracted from this contradictory mess.

That if I’m scum, Onegu is town and likely vice versa.

So let's run through the possibilities, the pro human scenario here is that I flip scum thereby clearing Onegu of suspicion. This is the least likely case according to Tumble himself as I am fairly townie, therefore the possibility of me getting killed by town are low. Which means we can also disregard the possibility of me flipping town and what that might mean for onegu(likely nothing).

This leaves the Onegu flips, if Onegu flips town (which I think he might) than according to tumble, that means that I, his top town read, have a high probability of flipping scum. Also to be honest an argument can be pretty easily made for why Onegu flipping scum doesn't look good on me either.

Tumble’s relatively innocuous linking of me and Onegu’s alignments hinges on me (his top town read) flipping red to be of any use, it also possibly results in my lynch in response to a practically inevitable Onegu flip.

So to summarize, if Tumble is town, he has created a vulnerability to be exploited, if not by him than likely scum, against his top town read. Or hes at least made said vulnerability very very clear, while effectively doing nothing for Onegu (as a potential death for me at the hands of town will not likely come before his, which means my theoretical red flip will never come in time to save him).

So yeah, kinda of a wierd move coming from a townie.

-------------------------------------------------------

So lets approach it from the other side, say tumble is scum, we know that me and him are unlikely to be scum together because of the existence of this post, which means onegu is unlikely to be scum with tumble as my death would never actually clear him(cause Im not scum if tumbles scum) and his death would not outright incriminate me according to tumbles logic (though I still personally think onegu flipping scum would do me no favours XD)

Basically, there's no gain to this post for scum tumble if either onegu or I am also scum, it’s a 1 1 trade at best. Considering that Tumble kind of contradicted himself with this post (saying I did something scummy in a roundabout way while making me his top town read) I have a hard time believing that he would put himself out there like that with no gain in mind.

Therefore we can only conclude that if Tumble is scum, me and Onegu are town and things would ideally go down like this for him.

Onegu dies, he flips green, then someone, preferably a misguided townie (looking at you Gb) comes after me for what looks like an early game pocketing of Onegu. I am then lynched or am cast under enough suspicion that I serve as a vote draw, thereby allowing scum more leverage over the lynch.

This is the scenario in which tumbles post makes the most sense. If we consider his scum intent clashing with his acceptance of thread sentiment (at this point several key townies ruled me green), we can explain the three major points of obscurity in his post. 1: His unexplained town read of me 2: his seemingly contradictory analysis of my interactions with onegu(in respect to his town read of me) and 3: the use of ‘the person’ and 'gumshoe' separately to refer to me in the same post.

Show nested quote +
“If the person who called Onegu town at the very start is scum, Onegu is town.”

“Gumshoe is prob town”


I think Tumble is well aware of the contradictory nature of his post and either consciously or unconsciously reveals the divide in his play between what he feels he needs to do as scum to 'the person' and how he feels he should actually appear to keep his cover.

Yeah… that last psychoanalysis bit is a stretch but my point is basically this, his combining of me and onegu’s alignments makes much more sense from a scum view than a town one.

Thats the big thing, but theres some other bits.

Show nested quote +
Do you think that "D1 is hard" is because Fazers is scum or because he's just a scrub?


Yeah… this really looks like hes trying to get people to jump on a nub.

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@gumshoe:
Even though I would like Palmar to explain his reads, I can't just make town policy-lynch him every game until he starts explaining them.
I don't have any strong feelings on Onegu, but I'll give his filter another go.”


Him giving Palmar a pass (another scumish read of mine) does not look particularly good on him / : (though to be fair alot of people seem to be doing it, fringe perks of the throne I suppose)

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I have no idea how to read JAS but his alignment is probably easy


I feel like this kind of translates into “ I will sheep the eventual consensus on what jas is” which is probally how he came to town read me initially / :

Lastly his Rsoul push just feels really lackluster, theres no real emotion there, he just sort of kind of thinks she's acting meh. I'd go into it, but this is already long enough and the wagon on Rsoul started with a random Onegu vote so I have a really hard time taking the whole thing seriously -_-

So yeah, Tumble is currently mah kill of preference.

##vote tumble

obligatory


1. I read through the thread once and did not remember that it was you who defended Onegu. I also do preflip association all the time as town.
2. I wanted to make rsoul commit to a stance on fazers.
3. It's true tho
4. Why does this make me scum though
5. I don't make emotional cases ever. The onegu random vote did not influence my decision.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 19:00 GMT
#457
On April 17 2016 03:34 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2016 01:53 Tumblewood wrote:
I managed to not notice my role PM for a day
It's only 8 pages though so it's okay

Didn't you have to confirm ?

Yeah but I never bothered to check when it started
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:07 GMT
#491
On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><

pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player?

I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your "OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:28 GMT
#508
On April 17 2016 05:10 Rels wrote:
Starting with this post:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2016 02:57 Tumblewood wrote:
rsoul, why do you townread rels after just posting disagreements/question marks in response to him?

Almost every post of Tumble is focused on rsoul. It is after Palmar started his "lynch rsoul" thing, so there is the possibility that Tumble is scum jumping on that lynch. He also has a lot of reasons to scumread her.
Noted above, "rsoul townreads Rels even though she disagrees with him".
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On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap.

"rsoul's reason to scumread Superbia seems fabricated".
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On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
where I'm at right now:

null
most people

don't want to lynch
gumshoe because innocent town
rels because actually trying
ows because actually trying
palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him

could lynch today
rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh
superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot

"rsoul's answers are kinda meh".

Then he got questionned by rsoul and his reason to scumread her is actually:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2016 14:21 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 16 2016 14:17 rsoultin wrote:
On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
where I'm at right now:

null
most people

don't want to lynch
gumshoe because innocent town
rels because actually trying
ows because actually trying
palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him

could lynch today
rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh
superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot


i really can't help but be amused that our reads line up so closely (with the exception of ows obv but i was liking his recent activity anyway), and we even both want to lynch the same person, but somehow my answers are meh

i don't think it makes you scum even though maybe it should concern me that you're fine lynching both the talked about people, cause i've liked your previous posting, but still

lol >< i mean, when are we gonna stop holding rsoul to higher standards than we hold ourselves?

pls, I hold everyone + Show Spoiler +
except LS and Slam
to a higher standard than I hold myself
My scum meter for you is, when I ask you a question, if your answer is kinda disappointing but not really scummy, you're probably scum
The problem with this is I haven't played with town rsoul\

Why do you like my previous posting, though, enough to outweigh that thing you didn't like?

"rsoul's answers are not exciting".

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On April 16 2016 14:43 Tumblewood wrote:
I read through a random rsoul town game. Well, 3/23 of it. She was a lot more emotional, but has probably moved away from that meta. I'll update when I read one that wasn't from nine months ago.

"town!rsoul is a lot more emotional"

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On April 16 2016 14:57 Tumblewood wrote:
I read gaiden, that's only like six months ago
Perhaps what I'm saying is that I expect rsoul to be more... disagreeable? That's the distinguishing factor I see between her town and scum games.
Going to sleep soon so if you have any questions ask now.

"town!rsoul is more unlovely"

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On April 17 2016 02:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Many disappointed ohs were uttered during the course of catching up.
Idk how you can read Palmar's case, think "this is a bad case," and then townread Palmar for it on the assumption that, if he's scum, it would be a suicide attack or a failure.

"rsoul's read on Palmar is not logical"

Tumble can you summarize your rsoul read ?

spidey senses
Her responses to my questions are very inoffensive but she blows up when I scumread her.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:30 GMT
#510
"Oh but Tumblewood you didn't say that last part earlier."
"Scum scum scum for changing his reasons on rsoul."
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:37 GMT
#520
ok i am messing up in every way imaginable this game
i blame it on phoneposting and not rereading
and on trying to talk about things that happened a day ago that i don't really remember
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:39 GMT
#523
i don't really see a way to not die here, so i'm going to just let you all vote me as long as i get 80 minutes of you listening to me and not treating me like i'm scum
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:41 GMT
#524
look i'm even voting myself
now we can have a semiproductive deadline eh?
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:42 GMT
#525
pls lynch rsoul tomorrow
pls vig shoot superbia tonight
for the record i was only focusing on rsoul because the rest of you were european and asleep and ows and sl were boring
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:43 GMT
#526
also because rsoul is scum
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:45 GMT
#529
btw my excuse to enter the thread late was true
the fazers thing i thought was true but it was apparently jas and superbia and not fazers and superbia so true but wrong?
my read on rsoul is for 50 million different reasons
the gumshoe thing was also true and i was too lazy to look back to the start and see who it was

gee i'm being much less helpful than i thought i would be
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:47 GMT
#533
fazers you voted me why did you vote me
palmar why are you voting superbia
rsoul and ows when did you change from TR to SR + Show Spoiler +
actually did ows actually SR me? is he even here?
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:48 GMT
#534
would appreciate advice on how not to get mislynched every game [statistically speaking, if you count this game, if you have all decided to lynch me, i am more likely to be town than scum]
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:50 GMT
#537
fazers why did you switch
gumshoe do you ever ask yourself "is this read completely overwrought and stupid?" because you should every once in a while
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:51 GMT
#540
ows: not even now? impressive
jas who are you really and what reactions are you going for + Show Spoiler +
don't lie you know you're going for reactions
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:53 GMT
#542
rels can you please go beyond surface level reads
onegu can you please start playing the game
actually everyone can you please start playing the game
rels why do i even need an excuse for entering the thread late
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2016 20:56 GMT
#545
fazers you're gonna need better reasons than that
someone scumreading you is not always scum
someone voting himself is town in this case but not a good reason to give benefit of the doubt
how in the world did my first post imply that i thought the person TRing onegu was scum i never said that
cmon this is the most productive hour you're gonna get all day and you're all just going to waste it by not responding to my questions?
good times for all
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