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On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ?
Tumble says he felt that super might flip town, and then he would just die after.
It's derpy, but keep in mind tumble has made blatant mistakes this game irrelevant of faction.
So it's not like this is some unexplainable scum agenda.
He may very well have got caught up in some erroneous logic and not explained himself properly.
Btw since you think the scum team is tumble onegu, I take it you have no issue lynching onegu tommorow correct?
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On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do
There's no point to this -_- of course he's not going to find his own day 1 damning, and if it was obviously terrible he would have been way higher on the list.
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On April 24 2016 00:34 Rels wrote:Actually I got lucky  Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 00:54 Rels wrote:Leaving work soon, will be on my phone all evening so no big post but I'll be around to react. I'm OK with Tumble / Onegu / JAS. Tumble is waaaay more likely to be scum though. The thing gumshoe bought up about Superbia & him being suicidal D1 doesn't apply for a few reasons: 1. Superbia was RB. Scum's #1 priority is to let him live. Superbia claiming to live over Tumble makes sense. 2. Tumble NEVER voted Superbia, even though he was "scumreading" him, to save his life; but he voted GB, who he had no real opinion on. 3. Reason 1 is true, but it's not even what happened. Here is the sequence of events: On April 17 2016 06:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Might just vote GB on principle though. On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. On April 17 2016 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. Not really. Too many people who are just not invested in this game. On April 17 2016 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:
I am sick and tired of having to decide day1 lynches. Voted GB, do what you want. On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
fuck it, I'm staying course on superbia. His rsoultin/gb read post was completely non-sensical, he's taking a lot of weird stances based on literal things without trying to diagnose what may be behind it (look at his thing about fazer. Unless fazer is a good/experienced player it's unlikely he'd admit to just sheeping people as mafia).
I think it's a good lynch. On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. On April 17 2016 06:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm down for yolo'ing onto GB. On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. Maybe I will. On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I'm a PR you dipshits. During the minutes before Superbia's fakeclaim, it was quite evident that the fight evolved into Superbia vs GB, not Superbia vs Tumble. So he didn't killed Tumble by claiming, like gumshoe said. Actually it is the opposite. He didn't fakeclaim as long it was a "Tumble vs Superbia" fight, but as soon as it was "GB vs Superbia", he fakeclaimed.
I disagree with your interpretation of these events. I dont believe a well informed scum team would have claimed with any chance of scum tumble dying.
No one else should be convinced by this ether (unless your name is jat and you refuse to believe anything that doesn't support your view of the game)
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We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?
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On April 24 2016 00:49 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:43 gumshoe wrote:On April 24 2016 00:34 Rels wrote:Actually I got lucky On April 22 2016 00:54 Rels wrote:Leaving work soon, will be on my phone all evening so no big post but I'll be around to react. I'm OK with Tumble / Onegu / JAS. Tumble is waaaay more likely to be scum though. The thing gumshoe bought up about Superbia & him being suicidal D1 doesn't apply for a few reasons: 1. Superbia was RB. Scum's #1 priority is to let him live. Superbia claiming to live over Tumble makes sense. 2. Tumble NEVER voted Superbia, even though he was "scumreading" him, to save his life; but he voted GB, who he had no real opinion on. 3. Reason 1 is true, but it's not even what happened. Here is the sequence of events: On April 17 2016 06:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Might just vote GB on principle though. On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. On April 17 2016 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote:
jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything. Not really. Too many people who are just not invested in this game. On April 17 2016 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:
I am sick and tired of having to decide day1 lynches. Voted GB, do what you want. On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
fuck it, I'm staying course on superbia. His rsoultin/gb read post was completely non-sensical, he's taking a lot of weird stances based on literal things without trying to diagnose what may be behind it (look at his thing about fazer. Unless fazer is a good/experienced player it's unlikely he'd admit to just sheeping people as mafia).
I think it's a good lynch. On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. On April 17 2016 06:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm down for yolo'ing onto GB. On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia. Maybe I will. On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I'm a PR you dipshits. During the minutes before Superbia's fakeclaim, it was quite evident that the fight evolved into Superbia vs GB, not Superbia vs Tumble. So he didn't killed Tumble by claiming, like gumshoe said. Actually it is the opposite. He didn't fakeclaim as long it was a "Tumble vs Superbia" fight, but as soon as it was "GB vs Superbia", he fakeclaimed. I disagree with your interpretation of these events. I dont believe a well informed scum team would have claimed with any chance of scum tumble dying. No one else should be convinced by this ether (unless your name is jat and you refuse to believe anything that doesn't support your view of the game) If you read this pages of eod 1 and believe it was likely that tumble got lynched after superbia fakeclaimed, you're dillusuonal. It was not happening when palmar was protecting tumble, said he sheeping jat then voting superbia, and jat going for GB.
All i am saying is that super claiming with any chance of tumble getting lynched is scuicidal. Thats it, gbs lynch was not a sure thing when super claimed (you telling me no your wrong wont change my mind on this point, I have read over the events multiple times, I am just as well informed about them as you if not more so)
Please dont insult me for having an opinion in a game that is pretty much all subjectivity -_-
Now let me ask again, do you have a problem with voting onegu? If so, who is tumbles scum partner?
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On April 24 2016 00:52 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote:
We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that? Yes. I already answered this like 5 minutes ago. That's the second time you didn't read something I've said recently bro, if you want to be read you ve got to do it yourself
I've read everything you've posted, I simply do not agree with you.
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I refuse to believe that super would claim with a tumble lynch on the table, especially if his team mates were onegu and tumble, because that flat out means he had no control over the lynch.
If tumble had been lynched, super would die the next day, onegu soon after.
It is an awful play that makes no sense no matter how much you insult me.
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On April 24 2016 00:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:52 Rels wrote:On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote:
We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that? Yes. I already answered this like 5 minutes ago. That's the second time you didn't read something I've said recently bro, if you want to be read you ve got to do it yourself I meant "yes ok to lynch onegu"
Oh sorry, nm XD
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On April 24 2016 00:55 Rels wrote:Then you missed this: Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:32 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 23:31 gumshoe wrote:On April 23 2016 22:58 Rels wrote:On April 23 2016 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
your the vote analyst guy. do you not find your day 1 vote damning? because I do Not really, especially since I only voted tumble after he slipped about a post that didn't exist. If I was superbia s partner I would have been forced to vote him or be super suspicious not voting him since he was one of my main scumread and in that situation I couldn't plan for tumble to make a mistake like that. And if you're going the vote route, how do you find tumble not voting superbia to survive ? Tumble says he felt that super might flip town, and then he would just die after. It's derpy, but keep in mind tumble has made blatant mistakes this game irrelevant of faction. So it's not like this is some unexplainable scum agenda. He may very well have got caught up in some erroneous logic and not explained himself properly. Btw since you think the scum team is tumble onegu, I take it you have no issue lynching onegu tommorow correct? If I had to decide right now, no issues. That might chnage when I reread the game but given what I remember from onegu s filter I doubt it :p
My apologies I'm raging a little XD
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On April 24 2016 00:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:55 gumshoe wrote:
I refuse to believe that super would claim with a tumble lynch on the table, especially if his team mates were onegu and tumble, because that flat out means he had no control over the lynch.
If tumble had been lynched, super would die the next day, onegu soon after.
It is an awful play that makes no sense no matter how much you insult me. I'm not insulting bro calm down :p I don't know how you cannot see this but to me it is pretty clear it was GB vs superbia at the time of the fakeclaim. But I see you've made up your mind about it
I feel the same way about what I'm saying XD I see what your saying, just as you evidently see what I'm saying and dont find it that compelling.
I dont think a scum tumble would waffle on super in that spot just to save rb, that seems like a huge self sacrifice for someone who clearly wanted to play the game, just to save a role that could very well be worthless.
I especially dont think super would claim in that spot if onegu is his team mate, as tumble getting lynched would spell gg for them.
You have points, but I simply dont agree, I see them, I just can easily interpret other reasons for tumbles behavior as he was acting derpy anyways regardless of alignment.
There is enough doubt regarding him he is def worth saving for lylo, where things will be easier to interpret. Which is why I am pushing 1gu so hard / :
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On April 24 2016 01:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote:
We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that? Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old.
Lynch me for it if it bothers you, may as well, well lose if we do what you say anyways.
sl jumping on rb that early is townie actually now that I view it without theory goggles. And I went into a few of his scum games and they are very different from this.
Sl does not look bad at all / :
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On April 24 2016 01:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 00:55 gumshoe wrote:
I refuse to believe that super would claim with a tumble lynch on the table, especially if his team mates were onegu and tumble, because that flat out means he had no control over the lynch.
If tumble had been lynched, super would die the next day, onegu soon after.
It is an awful play that makes no sense no matter how much you insult me. If super is mafia with onegu and tumble they wete screwed either way day1 since 2 of the were ztge wagons and the ither one onegu. Might aswell try something then.
Like super and tumble bussing each other to gain perma game cred? The claim was not 'trying something' it was scuicide and you saw that for all of 5 minutes until rels reminded you that your jat and no ones opinion matters but your own.
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On April 24 2016 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:05 gumshoe wrote:On April 24 2016 00:59 Rels wrote:On April 24 2016 00:55 gumshoe wrote:
I refuse to believe that super would claim with a tumble lynch on the table, especially if his team mates were onegu and tumble, because that flat out means he had no control over the lynch.
If tumble had been lynched, super would die the next day, onegu soon after.
It is an awful play that makes no sense no matter how much you insult me. I'm not insulting bro calm down :p I don't know how you cannot see this but to me it is pretty clear it was GB vs superbia at the time of the fakeclaim. But I see you've made up your mind about it I feel the same way about what I'm saying XD I see what your saying, just as you evidently see what I'm saying and dont find it that compelling. I dont think a scum tumble would waffle on super in that spot just to save rb, that seems like a huge self sacrifice for someone who clearly wanted to play the game, just to save a role that could very well be worthless. I especially dont think super would claim in that spot if onegu is his team mate, as tumble getting lynched would spell gg for them. You have points, but I simply dont agree, I see them, I just can easily interpret other reasons for tumbles behavior as he was acting derpy anyways regardless of alignment. There is enough doubt regarding him he is def worth saving for lylo, where things will be easier to interpret. Which is why I am pushing 1gu so hard / : The only paragraph I might currently agree with is the last one.
who is tumbles partner if not onegu? Figure that out or stop leaving caveats so you can waddle out of every tentative agreement you've ever made.
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On April 24 2016 01:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:07 gumshoe wrote:On April 24 2016 01:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote:
We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that? Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old. I did not say SL looks bad. And how on earth would you know we lose if you follow me when you do not even know what I will be pushing? What's the point of constantly shitting on my play? Why don't you complain about Obi or SL who both also voted shape and never switched? Lynch me for it if it bothers you, may as well, well lose if we do what you say anyways. sl jumping on rb that early is townie actually now that I view it without theory goggles. And I went into a few of his scum games and they are very different from this. Sl does not look bad at all / :
I'll stop shitting, your right, theres no point, but I am fairly sure you'll be pushing tumble, so yeah from my view that would mean gg.
I've given obi and sl a break, they deserve it after escaping from the ruins of my case.
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On April 24 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:16 gumshoe wrote:On April 24 2016 01:11 justanothertownie wrote:On April 24 2016 01:07 gumshoe wrote:On April 24 2016 01:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote:
We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that? Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old. I did not say SL looks bad. And how on earth would you know we lose if you follow me when you do not even know what I will be pushing? What's the point of constantly shitting on my play? Why don't you complain about Obi or SL who both also voted shape and never switched? Lynch me for it if it bothers you, may as well, well lose if we do what you say anyways. sl jumping on rb that early is townie actually now that I view it without theory goggles. And I went into a few of his scum games and they are very different from this. Sl does not look bad at all / : I'll stop shitting, your right, theres no point, but I am fairly sure you'll be pushing tumble, so yeah from my view that would mean gg. I've given obi and sl a break, they deserve it after escaping from the ruins of my case. The only way that is gg for you is if you are 100 % certain it is one of Rels and SL btw.
I am 100 percent tumble is town.
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which yeah, means I think it's rels.
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On April 24 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
The thing that annoys me about your tumble read is that you completely ignore the rest of his play just because of that one little thing you think makes him town when we showed you that is is actually possible that it doesn't.
This is a case of a hole bieng used to bring down a dam, did it introduce a possibility of it not confirming tumble? Yes, was it a large one? Absolutely not.
scum claim with any chance of tumble dying is not a viable move.
With an onegu tumble super scum team, they had no control over the lynch, so even if they thought gb was going to die (which ive shown isnt all that likely) the chance of tumble dying makes it totally not worthwhile.
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also it is perfectly viable to prove who scum is by proving who is town.
I can explain tumbles fishy behavior via derp which was inherently there (no denying this)
But I cant really imagine scum tumble being cool with that super claim, nor super even.
that really should be enough to clear town, of course rels is going to say its not cause hes scum / :
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On April 24 2016 01:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:25 gumshoe wrote:On April 24 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
The thing that annoys me about your tumble read is that you completely ignore the rest of his play just because of that one little thing you think makes him town when we showed you that is is actually possible that it doesn't. This is a case of a hole bieng used to bring down a dam, did it introduce a possibility of it not confirming tumble? Yes, was it a large one? Absolutely not. scum claim with any chance of tumble dying is not a viable move. With an onegu tumble super scum team, they had no control over the lynch, so even if they thought gb was going to die (which ive shown isnt all that likely) the chance of tumble dying makes it totally not worthwhile. Yes, I understand your argument. I just don't agree that it makes him 100 % town. Mafia has done weirder things in the past.
It should at least make him 90 percent / : ill stop talking for now though, will come out with a better case e.o.n
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