Alright, so obv. I am wrong about the numbers of blues in this game. Making it + Show Spoiler +
2 3rd parties: SK(?), and Survivor (?) (using KP now as a guide, since we know that there is one scum) 4 mafia: we know that they had: Engi, goon, doc, RC (depending if RC was engi)/ X 6 blues, of those blues we got at least 1 invest role (engi/frosenics), the other. 1 doc, 1 vig (mutishot), W/e the fuck Drill Sargent was. And one of nerf Doc/day Vig 9 Vt's.
So the reason I am town reading Damdred, is not even to do with what he has done, it is to do with Palmar.
On April 03 2016 02:45 Palmar wrote: Announcement:
Due to language barrier, Damdred had a misunderstanding with my co-host. I understand it sucks that this is part of the game, but the best solution I can think of is to announce it and simply carry on.
So that means the set up is: Mafia: Engi (RC), goon, Doc, Day vig Blue: Forensics expert (?). Engi (rc), Doc, Vig (mutishoot), nerf doc, Drill Sergeant(?)
On April 16 2016 00:04 Damdred wrote: You just said you said yesterday that Scott was confirmed.
Scott makes way more sense as town with a day vig. Basically the scum team had a silent shot but decided to hard crumb it and get tons of attention?
why is Scott scum shape
Oh yeah! Sorry I am balancing This, work, and other things right now. So i lose my train of thought
I think I brought up how that play could be made by scum, way back on D1. If not then it was later on. Early on, I fought on the other side though. But now I realize something.
Basically, Knowing Slam (as a coach-student relationship) he could easily done that. I prob. would of done that too tbh. First off, if you do not claim then, you never can claim it later. Period. Town would jump onto the fact you didn't do so.
So instead, You hard crumb it, you make it so obv. that it exists. And after the shoot, you basically just spew the role. And then that gets run into this, which is what you did. If you survive, then boom. You insistently get the cred from it. And all you have to do is coast and win.
Also, remember that post about shooting Rsoul if he could change. We, unless we are missing something, he could of changed it. thinking back, (and now for sure, knowing that Rsoul was mafia), it was a distending move. It could even explain why Kuru felt so fine claiming scum and dieing.
He also is activating differently then he did in XIX (he was vet that game, and confirmed). In that game he really didn't do all this effort or anything, even when the lynch target (PMT) was iffy between her and MA. This one feels way more active.
A course, I don't know w/e the fuck is scott scum meta.
Rels also had some sus. of him when he died as well. Which lines with your protection. (Yet also he did we me like you said)
On April 15 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Actually I'm cheating and reading Scott now I'll finish shape up soon.
Could you expand on why you loved shapes case on super but decided to go tumble at the last second?
Honestly, I don't remember - I think I was sheeping a town read, but I've have to go back and re-read, much has happened since then.
On April 15 2016 08:07 Damdred wrote: Scott's filter is interesting.
Your vote count yesterday I think had me green, but you were voting for me I think? Unless I misread why?
I was doing some testing of what made since, (ie color everybody but I got a couple wrong, like the top ones I had Obi as red but not at the bottom) I was doing the coloring in to see what fits. For that, I wanted to see if Obi looked scummier in his votes than you.
On April 15 2016 23:54 Shapelog wrote: Unless, by some horrible, twisted way here, Damdred asked for Information about a role, and the Cohost fucked up and Palmar had to step in.
On April 15 2016 23:54 Shapelog wrote: Unless, by some horrible, twisted way here, Damdred asked for Information about a role, and the Cohost fucked up and Palmar had to step in.
If that is the case, then fuck this game.
Well if you are town, then this would be the case
Or your scum.
Am town though. Be pretty stupid if i am scum and decided to go into Lylo with 2 blue roles (from that POV)
On April 14 2016 07:31 Shapelog wrote: Scott, what do you think about everything?
I was thinking about it last night - I'm still in Vegas, I should be driving home tonight.
so I've been in two LYLO'S as town - Firefly and Guardians. Guardians was my first one, Damdred was in that game as well. I've never been in a LYLO as mafia. I have a strong feeling I'm going to the victim for the third time.
In the wise words of Palmar, this turns into - the puppet, the puppetmaster, and the victim. I got a Quickdraw PM in my replacement message
I've learned a lot from those two games as town. The first thing would be that even if you are town and know who the mafia is since they go after you - acting 100% that you know the puppetmaster is mafia looks mafia sided to the puppet, because they'll be like "Why are you so sure? it could be me too if you're town, right?" but from your own point of view, it's obvious. I don't want to make that mistake again.
The second thing would be is to just re-look over everything, including both filters from the others and re-read parts of the game and figure out intentions from days before - since this day is going to be a lot different.
On April 09 2016 23:36 Damdred wrote: Right now Ows look at this, why should I 100% know what to do? This game is incredibly hard
Ows- weak town feels, technically is the hammer on Tt putting him one over Tt. On the verge of death didn't care about being,lynched. I don't think,he's scum.
LS- been low impact, but does work when as scythe wouldn't. Dug through my filter to show how I was pushing Tt when people were starting to gain momentum.
Scott- claimed blue, slam bread crumbed the shot very well. It is a poor shot, small activity but cent be the mafia in a solo situation.
VA- super lackluster first 4 days didn't care. Suddenly cares after the tumble lynch hasn't done a lot since the Ritojy lynch. Kinda meh on him.
Koshi- mafia were on him and tumble. Sudden swing on Tt makes it somewhat unlikely with how suddenly it was and how many town was on Tt that koshi was the scum. Plus his activity and craziness and bm make him town.
Shaoe- early game was bad and missed a lot of what he was. Was super right after then and seems to be hyper focused on lynch bait ls. Its possible he was tmi, which is why I'm considering him.
Damdred- claimed blue, can't be a single scum. Can't be scum with Scott, mod message infers he's town. Etc etc
I'm a dayvig. Beyond Alakaslam's shot being townie, I'd have to be a rolecop and a dayvig in order to be mafia, which is basically impossible. The only other possibility is that the engineer had a role check night 1 and checked sicklucker.
I could re-write others words but best explained as-
On April 07 2016 06:38 Koshi wrote: scott is never mafia btw. I forgot about the fact it was a silent shot on D1.
Imagine mafia shooting someone the first second of the game for lulz.
Scot is setup wise confirmed town.
HOLY SHIT WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT THINKING OF SHIT LIKE THIS
And in your words -
Scott: - Pretty much it for scott. Maybe, by some kind of crazy setup, Mafia had a factional day shot, and Slam, as a RC, did it to buy massive cred early on. Literally the only way that guy can be mafia.
I'll be back in a bit.
On April 15 2016 04:24 scott31337 wrote: I'm re-reading those games for more clues and things I can work on.
"damdred 06-14-2015 05:52 PM ET (US) Scott and oneg would of killed me and 've before now. Like it shows a complete lack of knowledge about us."
You're right
I mean just look from the posts earlier from this cycle. and half of the big post was just him telling me why i should trust him. A point I made that he just ignored here:
On April 14 2016 07:31 Shapelog wrote: Scott, what do you think about everything?
I was thinking about it last night - I'm still in Vegas, I should be driving home tonight.
so I've been in two LYLO'S as town - Firefly and Guardians. Guardians was my first one, Damdred was in that game as well. I've never been in a LYLO as mafia. I have a strong feeling I'm going to the victim for the third time.
In the wise words of Palmar, this turns into - the puppet, the puppetmaster, and the victim. I got a Quickdraw PM in my replacement message
I've learned a lot from those two games as town. The first thing would be that even if you are town and know who the mafia is since they go after you - acting 100% that you know the puppetmaster is mafia looks mafia sided to the puppet, because they'll be like "Why are you so sure? it could be me too if you're town, right?" but from your own point of view, it's obvious. I don't want to make that mistake again.
The second thing would be is to just re-look over everything, including both filters from the others and re-read parts of the game and figure out intentions from days before - since this day is going to be a lot different.
On April 09 2016 23:36 Damdred wrote: Right now Ows look at this, why should I 100% know what to do? This game is incredibly hard
Ows- weak town feels, technically is the hammer on Tt putting him one over Tt. On the verge of death didn't care about being,lynched. I don't think,he's scum.
LS- been low impact, but does work when as scythe wouldn't. Dug through my filter to show how I was pushing Tt when people were starting to gain momentum.
Scott- claimed blue, slam bread crumbed the shot very well. It is a poor shot, small activity but cent be the mafia in a solo situation.
VA- super lackluster first 4 days didn't care. Suddenly cares after the tumble lynch hasn't done a lot since the Ritojy lynch. Kinda meh on him.
Koshi- mafia were on him and tumble. Sudden swing on Tt makes it somewhat unlikely with how suddenly it was and how many town was on Tt that koshi was the scum. Plus his activity and craziness and bm make him town.
Shaoe- early game was bad and missed a lot of what he was. Was super right after then and seems to be hyper focused on lynch bait ls. Its possible he was tmi, which is why I'm considering him.
Damdred- claimed blue, can't be a single scum. Can't be scum with Scott, mod message infers he's town. Etc etc
I'm a dayvig. Beyond Alakaslam's shot being townie, I'd have to be a rolecop and a dayvig in order to be mafia, which is basically impossible. The only other possibility is that the engineer had a role check night 1 and checked sicklucker.
I could re-write others words but best explained as-
On April 07 2016 06:38 Koshi wrote: scott is never mafia btw. I forgot about the fact it was a silent shot on D1.
Imagine mafia shooting someone the first second of the game for lulz.
Scot is setup wise confirmed town.
HOLY SHIT WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT THINKING OF SHIT LIKE THIS
And in your words -
Scott: - Pretty much it for scott. Maybe, by some kind of crazy setup, Mafia had a factional day shot, and Slam, as a RC, did it to buy massive cred early on. Literally the only way that guy can be mafia.
I'll be back in a bit.
What is the point of telling me to reread things, if you are just going to cite things to tell that I should trust you (both my words and others)? After ranting about a puppetmaster lol.
And now, instead of looking into things or anything:
On April 16 2016 04:34 scott31337 wrote: I have to head to the store - I'm placing my vote on shape for now.
On April 15 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote: Before I continue much more, if Scott is mafia he really doesn't have many choices in this situation.
If he's scum he kept someone in lylo who has said oh shitdamdred is confirmed town, so he has already lost one vote to him.
He knows I'm super suspicious of him already and am always semi scum reading him so leaves him in a super precarious situation where his only solution is to go after Damdred hard and convince shape I'm not confirmed.
Or he has to shred days of work and go after shape and try to convince me who has been super suspicious of him so much so I haven't even protected him at all all game.
Just doesn't seem like a winning solution to me. But I'm back to shapes filter and then to Scott's to see what's there
If shapelog is scum, he doesn't have much choices either. But scum shape would also be:
EPT
