TL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3 - Page 263

On April 07 2016 06:01 Koshi wrote:

Explain the bolded. How is mafia doing that?

On April 07 2016 06:05 ritoky wrote:


You're being left alive as direct opposition to me who is a known quantity that won't stop pushing me. People who town read me all game are beginning to downgrade to "unsure, but don't want to lynch today" or similar stances. Other small indicators.

On April 07 2016 05:58 Koshi wrote:

They couldn't because both ows and rsoultin multiple times said I was town. Esp. rsoultin and OWS had been scumreading TT and townreading me.

On April 07 2016 06:00 ritoky wrote:
honestly if you plan to ever lynch me this game you should do it today. there's 0 chance i can be mafia, but you need to consider that if you believe LS or koshi are town that they will not move off me until i am dead because they are scum or donkeys. and i am equally guilty because i think ls is very mafia.

essentially you should either lynch me today or commit to never lynch me the remainder of the game, because in my eyes it is very clear that i am being dragged to lylo for the final lynch for mafia to win.

On April 07 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:
And if we lynch ows or ls today and they flip town. How are you not getting lynched in future days?

lol

On April 07 2016 06:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


You keep saying that like it's a bad thing.

On April 07 2016 06:10 Koshi wrote:
I am killing people who can't turn their brain on.

On April 07 2016 06:08 Koshi wrote:

Why did Rels die? I was way less on your ass than he was.
And I was way more town.

On April 07 2016 06:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I kept looking for alternatives to you.
You say that it's a point against me.
?????

On April 07 2016 06:09 ritoky wrote:


Because until there is indication of a 2nd mafia team I am incapable of being mafia. Outside of the fact that I tried to lead a lynch for 2 days and a night on rsoul who didn't even get lynched cuz a lot of the people alive refused to ever vote her, the NKs for certain aren't mine, but that is wifom.

On April 07 2016 06:13 Koshi wrote:

NO.

People ask why I was spared over TT. If I am town, why did mafia not kill me.


And I explain that rsoultin and you couldn't jump on me. In case you are scum.

On April 07 2016 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote:


it has been debunked that only VTs knew about the explorer thing, as superbia knew about it immediately as 3rd party. Mafia has also been bussing like crazy this game. What exactly makes it so theres "0 chance you can be mafia"

On April 07 2016 06:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Yeah, well I'm not scum and looked for a way to not vote you so come up with a new theory.

On April 07 2016 06:16 ritoky wrote:


no indication of 2nd mafia team and i can't be with rsoul ever. i lead and almost got mafia lynched day 1 and day 2 and she had to be nk'd for you guys to see the light, and i believe i have a perfect voting record having voted on mafia every single day (assuming ls is mafia)....so in my eyes i am kinda a town hero this game. if ls is town well...that puts me on par with the tubesock voters.

On April 07 2016 06:14 Koshi wrote:

Did you see the quotes in which Kurumi says rsoultin is mafia?
Did you see the quotes in which Ticktocksays rsoultin is mafia?

It is clearly not "impossible" you are mafia.


And why did both Kurumi and TT scumread you BOTH. So odd.

On March 27 2016 08:34 ritoky wrote:
Why rsoultin is mafia and everyone who didn't vote on her should feel bad:

1) Her read on LS -


This is LS's comment immediately upon signing up for the game. He expressly states that he is deliberately and consciously trying to change his play; regardless of if he is being successful or not, he has openly stated that the way he is playing is more considered and deliberate than before. As a result of this, people should naturally be wary of using meta reads on LS or old metrics since he is clearly trying to break those notions. Rsoul does not heed this, she has been hard defending him for tonal and meta reasons since his first 5 posts; the exact type of reads she should be wary of making when LS is trying to break those exact reads. On top of that, she has shown no indication of judging if his gameplay outside of this immediate read is town or mafia. The entirety of her read is based on something she should be skeptical of if she were town. The read is bullshit.

2) Meta - In her previous game as mafia, of which I was hosting, she tunneled very hard on 1 person with minimal reasoning and tried to shove the narrative down everyone's throat; constantly repeating the same lines, never re-evaluating, and never adding anything in terms of why that player is mafia. She is doing the same here with me. Here are quotes from the previous game:













It continues, you get the picture. In her previous mafia game, she made an early read based on shape's "tone"; never re-evaluated or considered any of his other play throughout the remainder of the day, then just kept repeating how he was mafia and how he was mafia for that. Meanwhile shape had ~6 pages of content. Now I have less pages, but it is not like I have a deficiency of reads or content in my filter for which to consider; however much like she did with shape in her previous game. She has made a read based on 1 thing, not evaluated anything else about me, then just spam repeated "lynch rit". It is precisely the same pattern as her previous day 1 as mafia.

3) She is neglecting her own read on me - This one probably won't work for anyone else, and I don't have a quote to support. But rsoul had previously reached the point with me (before she switched more to hosting than to playing) where she believed every time she read me town I was mafia, and vice versa; and had surmised flipping her read was the best way to read me. It was then successful for her for I think 2 games? So why did she stop doing it here? She has a read that is historically successful, but elects to neglect it and vehemently neglect it simply because I made a play around angle shooting VT role names? Not buying it.

4) The votes on her - I know I am VT, I am extremely confident that sandroba and superbia are town. I think SL, VA, and shape have a decent to high shot of being town. That is 6 town.... Now even assuming that my town reads have gaps and there are sneakster mafia, I think 1 of those at most is mafia. 5 town at least on rsoul is a really good indicator for me.

5) Lack of Scope early - Rsoul had no real inclinations to try and determine anyone's alignments early. She just had no read on nearly 3/4 of the game and wasn't doing anything to try and inform reads either. I made a post on March 24th and 12:56 PDT calling her out for her lack of scope and depth in her reads. Here are her only reads prior to me making that post:

LS, vivax - town for meta
SL - maybe town for meta
slam - policy -> okay with lynch
shape - mafia cuz omgus
rit - mafia

over 24 hours into the game, a player dead, and 6 reads that she has committed to, I would say 4 of which are simply meta, tone, or have 0 depth to them. The only 2 she really went to length to explain are vivax and me. Sorry, but rsoul has much more depth to her play and tries to figure out a lot more people's alignments as town; She has additional information that is why she isn't trying to solve the game as hard; and I think that additional information stems from being mafia.

6) Activity under pressure - After votes begin piling up on her, she begins saying things like "you're not lynching me today" and "you're wasting your time discussing me today"; and begins spamming activity as a response. However, rather than trying to direct that activity and a lynch onto basically the only person she has show a deep and passionate scum read on; she defers to a low hanging fruit (who just posted something so dumb it is probably town). It feels like she is targeting "the lynch I can get" rather than "the lynch I want/believe in". Townies always aim for the lynch they believe in and consult practicality or feasibility later; to me, rsoul is considering saving herself and the lynch she can get first, which is not a town mindset, it is survivalist and almost certainly from mafia.

7) Too many wafflers/defenders considering her play - This is just my own heuristic or metric, but there are far too many people who have no opinion or a positive opinion of her that I grasp or they have explained than her play thus far has warranted.

+ Show Spoiler +

There's a couple other tiny things, but people don't like my grammar reads or nitpicking word choice shit and it hardly convinces anyone so I will just keep those points to myself and leave this here. She's very VERY likely mafia.

On April 07 2016 06:18 ritoky wrote:


there's a stark difference between that and this:



if you can't see it, idk where your brain is.

like i said, if you can't arrive at a place where i am irrefutably town, you should lynch me today rather than future days.

On April 07 2016 06:16 Koshi wrote:

Why don't you do something for a chance. I am not prone to look for an other theory because I think you are mafia.

If you know why you aren't.

Why was I spared? Damdred jumped on TT when I was on 6 and TT was on 5.