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On March 30 2016 22:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 03:54 Vivax wrote:On March 29 2016 03:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Vivax what do you think of tumblewood and his most recent "lynch both wagons and leave" attitude? Im not lynching outside of Koshi or rsoultin today, information is more valuable than low information players right now, and I dont have enough to limit my reads to 5 players. If I look at tumble I stop looking at Koshi and maybe both have good reasons for them to be lynched but right now Im staying on course before I just get distracted by other stuff. TT remained a scumread throughout D2 but he didn't furiously push him during the day. So I think he didn't RB him. Actually he had clear reads but he didn't push anyone in particular. It's weird. Since he RBd someone, I would assumed he would have pushed that person during the day. But he's OK with several different lynches.
Read the quote from Vivax which sandroba posted. Quite clear that he rb Kurumi.
Highest % chance.
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On March 30 2016 22:09 sandroba wrote:
Similar to what rsoul and TT behaved towards each other no really mentioning each other much or going after each other, they treat va in the same fashion. Not the sole reason I think VA is scum, but I think it's enough to tip him over other people I'm suspicious of. It fits better than tumble being scum.
Yeah VA is possible mafia. Very possible.
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On March 30 2016 22:34 Rels wrote:
No actually kurumi has to have shoot rsoultin no ? I was thinking of a "trap box" thing maybe but this is not a themed game.
Maybe sandroba is scum. That would make sense. That is why he killed Stutters - 'cause he knew he was engineer. And that is why he asked kurumi's role name before committing to saying his.
I already thought this but how?
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I also think all double names is really imbalanced. 2 is the max tbh.
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On March 30 2016 22:39 Superbia wrote:
All right. So we have:
N1:
Mafia KP #1 -> JAT [blocked by damdred]
Mafia KP #2 -> ???
Claimed KP #1 -> Stutters (by sandroba)
Claimed KP #2 -> Koshi (by kurumi) [blocked by Vivax - verrrry likely]
Now there are 3 options for mafia KP #2:
- It was Kurumi's KP.
- It was Sandroba's KP.
- It was on SL (unlikely, imo).
- It was stacked on Stutters (also unlikely, imo).
So we have the 2 claims by sandroba/kurumi.
Sandroba claimed a vigi role that can only shoot once and can only shoot after a misslynch.
Kurumi claimed a vanilla vigi role and from what I recall, had no further restrictions.
In contrast, Slam had a day-vigi role that can only shoot once and only during d1.
When comparing these roles, to me there is a disconnect between Kurumi's and Sandroba's role. I feel like both of these cannot be in the game at the same time.
3 vigis is just on the brink of possible.
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On March 30 2016 22:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 22:39 Koshi wrote:
I also think all double names is really imbalanced. 2 is the max tbh. Why would it be imbalanced ? Scum don't have to fakeclaim is they don't want to.
hmmm that is true. But they can't fakeclaim.
I don't understand how Vivax didn't push rsoultin harder tbh. He knew the roles are double.
And he trusted me even when I was saying rsoultin was cofirmed town. lol.
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On March 30 2016 22:43 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 22:40 Koshi wrote:On March 30 2016 22:39 Superbia wrote:
All right. So we have:
N1:
Mafia KP #1 -> JAT [blocked by damdred]
Mafia KP #2 -> ???
Claimed KP #1 -> Stutters (by sandroba)
Claimed KP #2 -> Koshi (by kurumi) [blocked by Vivax - verrrry likely]
Now there are 3 options for mafia KP #2:
- It was Kurumi's KP.
- It was Sandroba's KP.
- It was on SL (unlikely, imo).
- It was stacked on Stutters (also unlikely, imo).
So we have the 2 claims by sandroba/kurumi.
Sandroba claimed a vigi role that can only shoot once and can only shoot after a misslynch.
Kurumi claimed a vanilla vigi role and from what I recall, had no further restrictions.
In contrast, Slam had a day-vigi role that can only shoot once and only during d1.
When comparing these roles, to me there is a disconnect between Kurumi's and Sandroba's role. I feel like both of these cannot be in the game at the same time. 3 vigis is just on the brink of possible. I just find it really hard to believe that there was a mafia KP on SL or Stutters n1.
I think sl might have soaked up a shot. But I don't think he is town. 3p for sure.
medic, rb and multiple shot veteran? Kinda too much. Especially if they are all town. I wonder if rb can stop mafia kp... Probably not I guess. Would be really good. But then why is there a town rb? Maybe vs the engineer or the enemy rb.
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pretty sure that if kurumi didn't shoot rsoultin, slam or va is 3rd party. Very maybe sicklucker.
sk with a vest and possibility to hold shots. Which is the most op SK ever. Or maybe SK that has to shoot once each cycle in case for slam.
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forensic expert might have been a role that invests dead guys no? Might have been the guy who looked for the 3p as town.
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On March 30 2016 23:11 Rels wrote:
Slam shot during the day D1 so it doesn't match. SL could be SK with vest that held his shot N1.
Yeah. Maybe sk that can dayshoot lol. Kinda extremely farfetched but hey...
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I am QuickDraw, I can shoot day 1 - afterwards I'm a named VT - I have no other powers.
This was such a good role to use 1-ish hour before deadline. I can't understand how it was used tbh.
Not that he is mafia. But seriously.
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On March 30 2016 23:22 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 23:19 Rels wrote:
VA these reads are all based on voting right, and could change when you add your own analysis of the game ? Well the only other analysis im going to do is JAT dying. Voting/NKs are what I do. I would reconsider if the results were weird but theres nothing strange about what the votes show.
You are missing some names btw. ritoky, scott, koshi. All town?
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sandroba missing as well.
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Kurumi crumbed he would shoot me. So it wasn't a panic claim after a successful RB.
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Kurumi is the only one who could have shot rsoultin or somebody isn't claiming and that just sounds dumb.
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Lynching him sounds like a horrible play.
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inb4 VA is actually the one who shot rsoultin and I am defending some more mafia.
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On March 30 2016 23:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
I disagree, pretty much a textbook mafia post about the setup. It would also explain his super weird reads now because he was trying to make his scumteam half town/half mafia members.
But who shot rsoultin then? Come on.
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On March 30 2016 23:58 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 23:58 Koshi wrote:On March 30 2016 23:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
I disagree, pretty much a textbook mafia post about the setup. It would also explain his super weird reads now because he was trying to make his scumteam half town/half mafia members. But who shot rsoultin then? Come on. Kurumi didnt, he said he lost his bullet from shooting you and only had 1 bullet.
Come on VA. He clearly lied about it to get rid of the RB.
There is nobody else unless a 3rd party or a silly townie.
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On March 30 2016 23:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
We literally know nothing about the engineers since it all came from scum, my best guess is her role somehow killed her but I have no idea.
Never. Never. Never.
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No that's so dumb I can't take you serious.
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On March 31 2016 00:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 23:56 Koshi wrote:
Kurumi crumbed he would shoot me. So it wasn't a panic claim after a successful RB.
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Kurumi is the only one who could have shot rsoultin or somebody isn't claiming and that just sounds dumb.
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Lynching him sounds like a horrible play. 1) he could be scum vig breadcrumbing. Him being RB explains why you are alive + why 1 KP is missing if he was carrying KP at the same time. 2) he didn't claim anything yet (while he already showed he could be there at deadline, so it's weird he was not there to see what his target flipped)
unlikely. Just from my experience wise.
On March 31 2016 00:02 Damdred wrote:
Koshi idk about VA is he scum here?
I don't even dare to say it. It is so silly to push a guy who is going to claim a shot. Both alignments. But I am just surprised VA does this. Like I am stunned.
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