Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 4

On March 08 2016 16:27 Vivax wrote:
most interesting thing so far is surely shape mentioning my post and following disappearance without any intent of giving it weight in reading me, so it just looks like he put it there just to put something out there in an urge to look active.

otherwise theres not much worth mentioning, except that im less lazy than my new meta d1 standard.

On March 08 2016 16:36 Vivax wrote:


for estimated 6 months jat has been bugging me about me intentionally making my D1 shittastic, not my fault if you dont follow whats happening on the forum and in qts

On March 08 2016 16:36 geript wrote:

Not giving Shape a pass for being a noob. Besides, people never understand how I read Slam or most anyone. But I'm always right. I would've figured you would've learned by now.

On March 09 2016 02:07 Koshi wrote:
Sadly I already made something and I don't want to delete it because it is pure brilliance. And because I was a bit mean to Rels last game and his VE read when I entered the thread. Therefore I will correct his yamato read and explain it.

+ Show Spoiler +.
1) The geript read + how he involves alakaslam,shape and Vivax. It just doesn't do it for me. Why is geript mafia for wanting to lynch alakslam? Why is geript mafia for thinking shape is newb town? Why is geript mafia for saying Vivax is a dick? geript explained his Shape read pretty clearly. I don't understand where yamato his confusion comes from. I also don't understand why yamato adds his own opinion of Shape in his geript segment, but fails to explain why it makes geript mafia. The entire paragraph just doesn't make sense from town perspective who is figuring out geript. Because Yamato isn't figuring out geript at all, he is correcting/doubting things geript said and then implies geript is wrong and therefore mafia. Or at least that is how this entire segment feels like. Because he doesn't really conclude anything on geript in the end. It's an open ending that we can fill in.

2) I don't see the connection between his opening post about lynching Vivax and the follow up in the geript segment. It could be that yamato his opening post is stating/complaining about the fact Vivax is offtopic as fuck. He confronts Vivax about that later again but without trying to solve the game or do anything. It's so meek. What is this read? + Show Spoiler +

3) I get the feeling that the Kush read and the Tumble read are "correct" reads mafia gives. Simple structured reads based on TMI but throwaway. Mafia yamato knows these 2 are town and then finds a reason to call them town. It is the same for the Shape read within the geript read btw. These reads feel like coming from mafia. Or really good town being in the zone but then I wonder what the fuck the geript/vivax vomitting was all about.

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I think town yamato would have approached this entirely different, a town yamato would be able to express and structure himself a lot clearer in his first read post. Figure out players individually and not inappropriate mix in geript in every read. Yamato his reads just don't seem to be coming from a townie trying to solve the game. I feel it is a mafia giving reads through discrediting somebody else his reads. I can't explain it. Just doesn't look town.

##vote Yamato

some tinfoil:
I was wondering why yamato is so focussed on geript. It doesn't feel natural yamato starts his read post by reading geript giving reads on 3 other people. Discrediting geript? Scumbuddies? Tilting geript? I don't know. Might have something to do with Slam but maybe completely not.

On March 09 2016 02:11 Koshi wrote:
I just need yamato or somebody else to tell me why yamato feels the need to explain a Vivax, Shape and slam read through geript who he doesn't even scumread.

On March 09 2016 02:44 Koshi wrote:

rels looks town but I want to be cautious.

Vivax hasn't done anything townie, he could easily be mafia. And he could be very easily be mafia with yamato.

The bolded is only explainable if yamato is figuring out geript by asking him about his scumbuddy Vivax.

The above is a good post by yamato (if Vviax is mafia) but for this reason I can see it be scum on scum. Not that yamato is not a good player and capable of making such a read town on mafia.

But I don't know. yamato/Vivax.. I need to see more of those 2.

On March 09 2016 03:01 geript wrote:

That's an interesting point.

On March 09 2016 05:16 Koshi wrote:

At some point I believe somebody should try to convince his townreads on his scumreads. In that quote the second paragraph yamato again flips his read on geript for no reason at all or for sure tries to annoy him calling him mafia.

yamato reads geript as town
yamato makes a good point on Vivax
yamato asks geripts read on Vivax while calling geript mafia because he looks like a teenager etcetc.


Doesn't make much sense to me.

On March 10 2016 08:51 geript wrote:

Oddest set of ppl voting w/ me ever.

On March 10 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:
goddamn

"on" should be "one"



Welcome to the club that gets flamed for no reason at all.

On March 09 2016 23:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


So he makes some easy townreads then he comes up with this gem.
He is scumreading vivax questioning him about his reads:

To me it looks like omgus disguised under the misrepresentation of "vivax is asking too many dumb questions."

His second scumread is to sheep Geript on a read he doesn't even understand. How does he expect Alakaslam to defend himself from "you're scum because godread"?
I think town might say "until they do something townie" but tumble says he's waiting for a defense against something that can't be defended against.

On March 10 2016 06:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I think ima vote alakaslam.
Rels makes a really good point here and makes me townread rels pretty hard.:

On March 10 2016 06:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


hmm
If slam is scum, I'd say that actually makes Rels more likely to be scum. Because it's really hard for scum to bring thoughtful points like that againt town.

On March 08 2016 19:39 Rels wrote:
I don't like Shapelog. How he reacted to pressure was scum indicative. I don't care for the Vivax "backtrack" townread, that is pretty BS, Shapelog's conclusion (Vivax' posting is very slightly town indicative) made sense. But I didn't like his defensiveness in these posts:

kush pressures Shape into giving a read.

This is different from what I expect from town. More so from Shapelog, who has no problem stating his opinion.
Basically here is what I expected: "No Vivax is not most likely town, it's maybe very slightly town indicative" or something like that. So what he posted later actually.
But instead of doing that, Shape was defensive and even attacked slightly kush by saying "you know it's not reasonnable". This is a scum mindset: instead of posting his read (or non-read) and talking about it, he is like "look my read makes perfect sense and you're dumb for attacking me".
I also didn't like these:


Seems to me Shape could still be in his "attack kush" mode I described above.

Again, this has nothing to do with his Vivax read which is perfectly reasonnable, but his reaction to pressure.

On March 10 2016 09:17 Alakaslam wrote:

And you'd be wrong.

Kush can completely feel this way genuinely without being anything other than "in the future"; seeing Rels good points, he agrees. But, upon deciding I am likely town, he re-analyzes Rels push as possibly scum motivated, due to the reasons he stated.

This clarification in no way means I agree with him. I have put no thought into it at all.

On March 08 2016 19:43 Rels wrote:
I don't like this from Vivax:


Serious post about Shape being potentially scum, immediately (it's 1 minute later and it's the next post in the thread) followed by a joke post. There is a disconnect in the way Vivax is playing the game there. He's serious and posting a scumread on a guy, and immediately after he's posting a joke to the guy he's scumreading.

On March 10 2016 01:23 Rels wrote:
I don't have strong opinions apart from kush, Vivax, Shape town and Tumble scum.

A line on each player I have a hard time deciding.

yamato seemed implicated in his first batch of posts but he's been reactive since and kinda useless.

Koshi should be town by meta of being obnoxious + having short post with his flow of thoughts sometimes. My problem with that is that we just got fooled in cells mafia by LS and Damdred abusing their meta super easily. scum!Koshi might be doing the same, 'cause apart from this meta being town indicative, he's has reads that are either non-explained (Tumble, I) or bad (the yamato case).

Slam is not looking for scum. He's saying reasonnable things but it doesn't feel like he's trying to solve the game like he was in smurf.

geript is fixed on his Slam meta read + Vivax scum. Being obtus like that is generally town indicative but I showed him two games that were against his meta read and he disproved them.

On March 10 2016 01:40 Rels wrote:
geript might be town 'cause he's invested in his reads and because he reread the game. Not lynching him today.
Would be OK with tumble, slam and yamato in that order of preferrence.

On March 10 2016 09:42 Vivax wrote:
For the love of god just find a townie to sheep and stop posting reads yams.

Slam has been HIJOLE all game long, he gave up cause of overwhelming HIJOLE cause hes mafia, gerupt unvoted his #1 scumread after the scumread claimed scum.

If Rels wasn't enough to make you understand it's slam and gerupt, you should really quit this game

On March 10 2016 09:51 Alakaslam wrote:

Obs QT note the glory of my prophecy:
Scumteam: Slam, Yamato

On March 10 2016 09:58 Tumblewood wrote:
Slam opened up a bottle of chardonnay, and then a riesling. Without turning to face me, he began, "I foresee my own death tomorrow, but tonight we drink. Take either glass." He finished pouring the second, and stared at me. After a while, he nodded, prodded me to choose one. I knew that one of the bottles was poisoned, it had to be: Only, I was no connoisseur-- how was I to tell which one?
I think Slam is meta-WIFOMing or whatever that means and yamato isn't scum by implication of his post. So, if yamato is the riesling and people who aren't yamato are the chardonnay, I'm drinking the chardonnay.

On March 11 2016 00:00 Rels wrote:

No. Maybe to you, but as a whole he posted read and interrogated people and I've agreed with everything he's said. Coupling that with his meta of being passive as scum, he's super likely town.
Stop saying I'm revisiting you and Shape all the time. That is not scum indicative, and that is also wrong. Shape was likely town in my mind early in the game, and you were not long after. But even if I wasn't sure on you, that is not scum indicative.

On March 11 2016 00:10 Vivax wrote:


THe joke is that after being around for as long as I have you still are at the level you were at the time of LVIII, the only game in which I didn't get lynched as scum.

I went to reread your read on me in that game, obviously as shit as ever. You townread me when im mafia and scumread me when im town.

The only way to sheep your reads is to do the opposite of what they say.

On March 11 2016 00:13 Vivax wrote:


The reason is that I actually learned how to read people over time

On March 11 2016 04:09 Tumblewood wrote:
Vivax's Shape comment is weird coming from scum; they'd just put it in their QT.
Of course, that's also weird coming from town, but less so.

On March 11 2016 04:13 Vivax wrote:
Yamato is just the purest dunning kruger example you can have. Thinks hes good at reading me but lost a lylo for town in which I correctly identified damdred being scum instead of him.

On March 11 2016 04:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
isn't it common knowledge that it's a terrible idea to kill vivax day 1 because
1 he's commonly mislynched day 1
2 he's easier to read in later days
?

therefore vote slam.

On March 11 2016 04:38 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
i mean it's pretty clear vivax believes yamato is an idiot. which he wouldn't if he was scum, because yamato would be right.

On March 11 2016 04:41 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


So you think he's secretly thinking "damn yamato is smart. I'm just gonna insult him as my scumstrat haha."

That doesn't seem likely to me. It's similar to townreading someone for "dick move analysis" or whatever people call it.

On March 11 2016 04:43 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Meanwhile alaka just pops in here making his little nai comments and not doing anything. I'm getting flashbacks to outlaw.

On March 11 2016 05:02 Vivax wrote:
Tumblewood is noob, geript and slam are mafia, possibly Rels too at this point, Koshi doesnt believe im mafia but hes thin skinned and is spite lynching me cause I went under his skin so hard which I enjoyed quite a bit whenever he burst out calling me names.

You however have been around for as long as I am and still suck balls at anything related to this game, so you have my particular attention, and I want to emphasize how bad I think you are and how you will never ever get better at this game or at anything in particular.

On March 12 2016 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote Shape

This is just based on the fact Kush scumread Shape and he didn't really explained why Shape was mafia except for the fact that Shape is good mafia.

On March 12 2016 08:23 Koshi wrote:

Same. I also can't believe it. But tbh if I had to name 2 sure townies EoD1 i would have named Shape/Kush.

On March 10 2016 09:17 Alakaslam wrote:

And you'd be wrong.

Kush can completely feel this way genuinely without being anything other than "in the future"; seeing Rels good points, he agrees. But, upon deciding I am likely town, he re-analyzes Rels push as possibly scum motivated, due to the reasons he stated.

This clarification in no way means I agree with him. I have put no thought into it at all.

On March 17 2016 07:37 Rels wrote:

So you rethought this during the night when kush was modkilled ?

On March 22 2016 02:37 Rels wrote:

Yamato why was this scummy ?

On March 22 2016 03:41 Rels wrote:

Gotta admit I townread geript more than you at the time of that post. And I discarded it all when I reread your filters.
But it doesn't make sense for you to think that at the time, since doing that assumes that you have a geript townread too; after all, he did the same thing and you didn't call him out for that:


So either:
- you didn't townread geript at the time, so you're treating people that did the same thing with different conclusions
- you townread geript at the time more than me, so you did the exact same thing you fouind suspicious
Either way that doesn't make sense.

On March 22 2016 03:47 Rels wrote:

That is not true. I reread every post of yours and geript before making the decision of losing if geript is scum.
Since I've decided geript must be town to win, proving I'm town is as effective and proving you're scum. It's difficult to prove you're scum since you've done almost nothing and geript has a townfeel on your post which I can't fight since it's meta. And contrary to what you're affirming, I've actually did that, showing how you did the minimum after kush was modkilled and were never there at deadline appart from that time tumble's lynch wasn't secured. But it's way easier to prove I'm town since I've played with geript several times and I have a way to prove I'm town.

On March 22 2016 07:08 Rels wrote:
Yeah the reason I discarded geript being scum so easily is that if you're not scum you deserve to lose

On March 22 2016 07:47 Rels wrote:
Why ?

On March 10 2016 23:12 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


I can see a busy geript looking at the thread near EoD, being like this wagon smells fishy, and getting cold feet.

On March 10 2016 23:14 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


what is unreasonable about that?
I've been thinking about geript and trying to empathize with his play. His read on alaka was probably mostly posturing.

On March 22 2016 07:53 Rels wrote:
So kinda townreading geript but not really commiting like others did with the scumread (me)or townread (Koshi, shape ...)

On March 22 2016 07:58 geript wrote:
Bullshit. Not a mysterious read on Kush. Had him in the list to look at b/c he was a solo voter w/ Koshi.

4 minutes till lynch shenannies.

On March 22 2016 08:32 Vivax wrote:
I don't deny my fault, I also don't deny I'm an asshole in this game, but only an over the limit asshole when I think I can get away with it.