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On February 26 2016 11:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 10:46 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Has someone looked at rels last scumgame and compared? I dont really feel like doing that legwork. I already said this and I will say it again: Rels as scum tends to buddy up with town leaders and normally more happy and doesn't get angry as much as town Rels. This coming from someone who had played with scum rels twice(Season of the Witch and Battle of the Drams or something similar in name).
so you think darth is definitely scum?
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On February 26 2016 12:03 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 11:58 LightningStrike wrote:On February 26 2016 10:46 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Has someone looked at rels last scumgame and compared? I dont really feel like doing that legwork. I already said this and I will say it again: Rels as scum tends to buddy up with town leaders and normally more happy and doesn't get angry as much as town Rels. This coming from someone who had played with scum rels twice(Season of the Witch and Battle of the Drams or something similar in name). so you think darth is definitely scum?
Correct.
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Okay so I am going to check Shape's filter from his only scum game and after that I going to bed and show you my results from it tomorrow morning!
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On February 26 2016 09:25 Shapelog wrote:
What happen during linux that made LS unable to read SL? it is bad enough that some of those reads are purely meta (with me, darth, and Kura all not going to know it.) but I do not get not being able to read someone because of 1 game.
ls claims he can never read me everygame and has never tried to ever read me in anygame. kinda part of my read on him
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Going to bed early. Expect an epic! Cell C evaluation sometime tomorrow.
Peace.
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Finally home.
I'm gonna spend the next hour or two doing filter dives into Cell C.
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Is anyone else here? I feel like I need someone to talk to about Cell C because I'm at a loss atm.
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Guess I'm alone here.
Ohwells.
I still don't think LS is mafia. Ritoky asked me about why I thought he was town early on but most of it boiled down to the shape of LS' posts - they just seemed to come from the guy that I played with so many times before and nothing seemed particularly wrong with them in terms of scumminess. I know I said something about him being followable but that's just filler nonsense for when I have trouble wording my reads.
(Plus, the bit where LS implied that Damdred was scummy because Damdred thought he seemed off was uber town - mafia just doesn't feel nor sound like that.)
I'm still deciding between DF and Rels. I was hoping to talk to someone else about it but apparently nobody is here. I'll see if I can't talk things over with someone I trust tomorrow on where we should go next.
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ritoky:
On February 26 2016 05:26 ritoky wrote:
he really hasn't explained other than LS typed in caps and is just tunneled on darth which is unlike his normal approach as town which he is more even handed in his analysis.
On February 26 2016 05:39 ritoky wrote:
and before i found it scummy that you had literally a stronger opinion on every other player in the game than the 2 people who you know had a 1 in 2 shot at being scum. especially when both people running for mayor wanted your cell to be for certain in the first 3.
So I am scum for:
- being too sure on LS when I'm usually more "even handed"
- being very unsure about LS and DF
Explain ?
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On February 26 2016 05:37 Kuragari42 wrote:
He starts Reading FF as scum. Makes this weird bus strat post (which still makes no sense at all to me.) FF gets confirmed by 50/50. Kura goes on to question why the votes have piled on breskhe.
I don't understand how my bus strat doesn't make atleast some sense to you but I won't argue it anymore because FF was confirmed.
This is your explanation and it doesn't make a single sense:
On February 25 2016 01:20 Kuragari42 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 00:28 Rels wrote:
I don't understand. If FF is scum and VA is chosen by the 50/50, DF is forced to bus FF ? Why do you have the feeling that DF is scum with FF ? It appeared to me as though he was going for towncred. Since more people were scumming Breske, if VA were 50/50'd Breske could be the lynch even if Darth bussed. If Breske got 50/50'd, well he town read him all along.
Why would you think DF is scum busing FF ? There is nothing that indicated that.
On February 26 2016 05:37 Kuragari42 wrote:
This seems weird to me. Like he has avoided reading Breskhe (at most he said he was Null)
I was planning on posting a read all three but never had the time until today.
Even "today", your post focused 50 lines on VA being potential scum and 2 on Breshke being useless.
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On February 26 2016 05:43 LightningStrike wrote:
OWS-Town: It feels like town OWS here and I like some of his posts.
Can you expand on that ? I'm leaning more and more towards OWS scum and Shape town actually. OWS is super underwhelming and Shape has like the same reads I have except for his cell.
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On February 26 2016 07:01 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 06:54 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 26 2016 06:52 LightningStrike wrote:On February 26 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
Ok So Rels has posted that they like OWS posts. Pulled up only 1 post
Now LS has as well. So LS, what posts do you like from OWS?
(Also love the fact they also both use meta some what heavily) I liked a lot of proding questions from him at least him trying to move the game forward when he was here for the most part. Also the fact that he showed some emotion too which i think scum OWS didn't have(I need to recheck his filter from the 1 time I did play vs his scum). Wow what generic BS. Example of one of his posts moving the game forward? Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 12:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On February 23 2016 12:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
obi least sure on, could easily be shapelog since he hasnt posted yet as far a sim aware Is there something I posted in particular that you didn't like? I'd assume that's the case considering you were talking about our cell earlier but afaik you haven't talked about that. What's up? Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 13:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On February 23 2016 13:39 sicklucker wrote:On February 23 2016 13:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On February 23 2016 13:02 sicklucker wrote:
altho I def dont want ritoky mayor even if im town leaning on him since theres acualy a sick 1 in 2 chance hes scum rofl. sick game Do you actually like your odds in a different cell? i dont understand wut ur sayin You're saying you townlean ritoky but you don't want him as mayor because there's a 50% shot of him being scum. This means you like your odds elsewhere. Who, in your opinion, should be mayor? Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 00:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
He's pretty indecisive when it comes to at least 3 of those cells - he sounds like mafia at pretty much every point where he tries to discuss things that he never actually has an opinion on.
What are you thinking? Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 10:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred what are you thinking wrt Cell C?
I've noticed that you've posted some thoughts here and there but I haven't seen you commit to anything yet. and a couple others. He tried to get his voice heard at least. He wasn't afraid of getting his voice heard(I think he had trouble with that in the game he played scum vs me).
Seems like generic questionning to me, shouldn't be that hard to fake ? Will have to meta this shit to see if scum OWS really does not do this.
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On February 26 2016 07:22 ritoky wrote:
btw audience this one or hold it? opinions?
esp with breshke currently afk and unsure when/if he is coming back in the next 23 hrs, it means we have an obs QT that has 0 mafia influence or at most 1 in like 15.
No need. Lynch DF, gets point. It's a waste to use it here.
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On February 26 2016 15:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Guess I'm alone here.
Ohwells.
I still don't think LS is mafia. Ritoky asked me about why I thought he was town early on but most of it boiled down to the shape of LS' posts - they just seemed to come from the guy that I played with so many times before and nothing seemed particularly wrong with them in terms of scumminess. I know I said something about him being followable but that's just filler nonsense for when I have trouble wording my reads.
(Plus, the bit where LS implied that Damdred was scummy because Damdred thought he seemed off was uber town - mafia just doesn't feel nor sound like that.)
I'm still deciding between DF and Rels. I was hoping to talk to someone else about it but apparently nobody is here. I'll see if I can't talk things over with someone I trust tomorrow on where we should go next.
You're soooo boring. So you have nothing to show for your filter dives on both DF and me ? And for LS too, since you're just repeating your townread on him.
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So. Let's do this.
LS is town and this post explains why
1. His emotional outburst
LS is one of the worst scum of TL. The reason, his town play: he is super emotional and crumble at the slightest suspicion on him, claiming in the process if he's blue. He cannot replicate this as scum. So reading him is easy; puts pressure on him, sees how he reacts.
That is what happened. FF randomly listed LS as scum; LS raged, posted all caps posts insulting FF and left the game. I am convinced LS just cannot do this as scum.
This reason makes LS town. In case it doesn't completely convince you, I'm gonna list a second one that I THINK makes LS town too, but I'm way less sure it cannot be fake as scum.
2. The way he posts reads and interrogates people about his reads is townie
LS this game has been constantly asking for people reads. His own reads are not in depth but very short and understandable. This is how I remember LS playing as town, though I think he could tryhard and appear town in that manner as scum.
Talking about this for the interrogation:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2016 06:44 LightningStrike wrote:
FF when you get done catching up can I get your reads please? On February 25 2016 13:10 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke and VA's filters look like shit for different rasons.
VA filter he doesn't exlpain his reads at all and think it's obvious for us why Breshke is scum yet doesn't explain it.
Breshke's haven't tried to do something his probing and stuff or at least attempt to.
They both bad but one of them is scum. When Breshke gets here and VA is around at the same time I will need to question them harder.
@VA Explain before the FF being the innocent child why you thought Breshke was scum? Also Why is Breshke scum over you?
@Breshke Comment on VA and other Cells and why VA is scum over you at this time? On February 25 2016 13:15 LightningStrike wrote:
Also VA can you explain your other reads too please? On February 25 2016 22:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay kur, Rels, and Shape can I have your reads please? On February 26 2016 00:30 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 00:27 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 26 2016 00:22 LightningStrike wrote:On February 26 2016 00:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
its possible mafia are just sac'ing this cell since we used 50/50 on it and just having breshke say nothing so he doesnt spew any info. mafia talk about that stuff all the time. as a result i also would not give anyone too much cred on this cell as time progresses.
I don't really feel a need to post beyond this. Ugh I did ask you something that I want to answer.... if i didnt answer i probably thought it was a stupid question but feel free to ask again if you want Well I wanted you to give me your reads that was all.
His latest read post for an example of his reads:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2016 05:43 LightningStrike wrote:Warning Wall of Text: Okay here are my reads now: Cell A: Ritoky-Town: I liked his posts for the most part and he actually tried to stir discussion up. Sicklucker-Null: I lost my ability to read him after Linux  kur-Either Newbie Town or Scum: I like some of his posts but I also don't like some of them. I will need to prod him and sicklucker to see who the scum are in this Cell. Cell B: OWS-Town: It feels like town OWS here and I like some of his posts. Damdred-Town: Emotional Damdred is Town Damdred plus he tried to stir up discussion too. Shape-PoE Scum: Unfortunately you are my scum by PoE in that cell I know you just played a scum game recently(Will check it) but I just think OWS and Damdred are townier than you <3 though Cell C: Me-Towm: I know my alignment obviously lol. Rels-Town: Rels as scum was more into buddying people and plus angry Rels is town Rels too. I also liked most of his posts so far. Darth-Scum: PoE Scum probably a newbie scum. His content was kinda meh in my opinion. Cell D: FF-Town: Confirmed via 50-50 much more carefree than the last few games I had played with him. VA-Null Townlean: I honestly dislike his filter but it not as bad as Breshke in my mind. If I wrong on anyone in this cell it's VA I don't know how to read properly. Breshke-Scum: Never tried to defend himself after the 50-50 happened and never explained why VA was the scum. Cell E: kush-town: Tryhard kush is town kush plus his probing seems townie. Vivax-Town: Seems to be a little bit more tryhard plus he already had tried to do a tinfoil which he normally does as town.(Him and Shape should be best friends lol) Bum-scum: PoE Scum He misrepresented me hard about FF rage quitting when it was Sicklucker who told FF to stop posting. Plus his content been meh for a Vet player.
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I am town and this post explains why
1. I'm pushing for the game to be solved
Reading my filter, you should see that I'm constantly pushing for the game to be solved with my posts. The vast majority of my psots are either questionning or posting my reads with explanation. No buddying, almost no joke. I'm focused on solving the game and that is indicating me as town. I'm not pushing a scum agenda; if I was scum, the only lynch I could influence besides my cell was the first cell's lynch, and I was one of the main force pushing Breshke, even before the 50/50.
2. I scumread / voted Breshke before the 50/50
Here was my reads after catching up, with me voting Breshke:
On February 24 2016 22:46 Rels wrote:
My reads:
VA => aggressivly posting his thoughts and scumreads
FF => kinda useless, don't know. Hope he's chosen by 50/50 if he's town.
Breshke => his posts N0 are scum indicative. Questions that are useless or do not lead anywhere, only for the 3 hours that followed the game start. After that, only posted after his cell was chosen as the first to go.
Will vote Breshke for now.
Here is me pusning Breshke before the 50/50:
On February 25 2016 00:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 00:06 Damdred wrote:
I think you misunderstood my point about breshke rels. The question wasn't whether we should use the 50/50 or not but breshke said don't insta use it which forces him to do work on both. Oh. That might be good actually.
On February 25 2016 00:15 Rels wrote:
He still didn't post relevant stuff unless being up for lynch though. His N0 posts are useless. His posts start of D1 are OK.
Mm actually it's weird that he is looking through FF's past scum games to check the difference, and not VA who is more likely scum in his mind.
Here is me questioning DF's weird townread on Breshke before the 50/50:
On February 25 2016 01:47 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 01:35 darthfoley wrote:On February 25 2016 00:08 Rels wrote:Actually I don't understand this post at all. On February 24 2016 10:39 darthfoley wrote:Meh I've gone through VA/FF/Breshke's filters and I don't really have strong vibes from any of them. I'm not sure why people are town reading FF. Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless. I found it kinda weird when he called Breshke out for talking actively about cell order pros/cons. On February 23 2016 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh so I'm in a cell with breshke.
All his posts are pretty benign questions that don't talk about anyone, just about cell order. If he's so interested in cell order why is he so disinterested in mayor?
Mostly setup talk so far actually so it's not enough to call him scum but I don't particularly like anything he's posted so far Posts he was referencing: + Show Spoiler +On February 23 2016 07:25 Breshke wrote:
Should all would be mayors post what their cell order would be since that is really the only thing that would differentiate them?
Just at a quick glance ritoky like say without reading anyone's posts what would you make the order? On February 23 2016 07:35 Breshke wrote:
Rit is the assumption right that you want to put the "strong" players in the final cells and the weaker players in the early cells?
Or is cell 4 more important than cell 5 because cell 5 you have like all the information to go off? On February 23 2016 08:24 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 08:16 nooniansoong wrote:
Of course order needs to be reevaluated closer to EoD depending on how people look so far.
I am kind of in agreement with ritoky's order, but more active people should be put first. D might be better to save just because those are all low content players, so deciding early on them might be hard. im kind of confused here though. If all the active people are put in the earlier phases won't that mean the later phases are just an afk party. I thought you would do it the other way around and put cells with the less active people earlier I don't think any of these posts are bad, and they give me a towny vibe from Breshke. You don't have to be running for mayor to care about cell order. This sounds like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective. VA I am slightly scum reading right now... I liked Kush's reasoning behind his cell order and where to put easy/hard cells more than VA's argument, but I am not sure if that's alignment indicative yet. Seems like a mafia thing to want: planting the hard cells early so they just win a quick 3-0 or 3-1. VA's only real contribution so far is that on the off chance we get to cell 5 and the game is going, town will have a better chance of winning. I think Kush's approach of win now rather than later is much more town oriented. Think we should think about 50/50 here if the play doesn't pick up About FF, since "Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless" and his only relevant post (about Breshke) are bad, FF HAS to be scum right ? Yet he seems super unsure about that fact. I don't undersatnd the VA scumread. If the scumread was only: VA's only real contribution so far is that on the off chance we get to cell 5 and the game is going, town will have a better chance of winning then OK, I would get it. But that shit is overexplained with stuff that is apparently "not alignment indicative yet". To me, it looks like DF is scum with Breshke, got shit on both FF and VA, and is waiting to see on which the 50/50 is going to fall. No, he doesn't HAVE to be scum. The reason I think 50/50 would be quite beneficial on this group is simply because all three of the players have been underwhelming. I don't think any of them have added useful town discussion, so I consider this cell a crap shoot with VA/FF feeling more scummy than Breshke. I'm unsure about FF right now because I have to accept the fact that only 1 out of 3 players in this meh scummy cell is scum. Your reason for townreading Breshke is super bad though. He posts 3 things that are talking about cell strategy, that are completely not alignment indicative, even scum indicative when added to the fact that it is the only thing he has talked about N0, and you think he sounds "like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective."
I you think I am scum, you think I've bused from the very beginning of the game. What for ? There is no "scum carry" in this game. Each lynch is worth 1 point. Me busing Breshke from the very beginning meant my team automatically lost 1 point, and since I will be out of this game after today I don't even have the opportunity to do anything with this town cred other than gaining that point back.
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Rels. Pushing breshke doesn't get you that much town cred. I wonder what is your towniest post.
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Writing a case on DF but gotta stop for lunch. Will finish it afterwards!
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On February 26 2016 19:42 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Rels. Pushing breshke doesn't get you that much town cred. I wonder what is your towniest post.
It does. I am a strong scum, I could have maybe get VA lynched instead of Breshke. Probably not but I would have probably tried, then use that same defense DF is using right now: "hey if I was scum I wouldn't have defended my partner like that!". Even if I didn't try, I would have never pushed my partner like I did, especially before knowing FF was confirmed town.
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