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On March 02 2016 23:23 Damdred wrote:
I have a soul read on several players.
Ritoky being one of them as well, I'm not sure what your point is with this bit its wifom believe at most.
That's not a good point ows, people vote with their scum reads all the time as town. You vote the person you think is scum, I hopped on but I was super active around deadline pushing rels over Darth.
What's the point of pitting my neck super out there as scum to push one town wagon over the other? Especially when I could of afk and focused on doing other things and nobody would blame me.
I agree with town sometimes votes with scumread.
You had to at least come back into the thread to vote. And a course if you vote you had to put reasoning and blah blah blah.
Also a afk vote would also raise some sus. even more so at the time since people were in question about the afk voteyness of the darth wagon. It wouldn't be smart to just blop a vote down and leave.
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So I read Vivax's case.
Still kind of on the fence about it.
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Damdred could you elaborate a bit on why you think Shape is mafia?
Same goes for Shape, actually - I can't really follow why either of you think the other is mafia which is bugging me because I keep flipping my read every 10 seconds or so.
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On March 02 2016 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I read Vivax's case.
Still kind of on the fence about it.
Did Vivax actually made a full blown case? all i remember is the quotes he showed me.
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On March 02 2016 23:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could you elaborate a bit on why you think Shape is mafia?
Same goes for Shape, actually - I can't really follow why either of you think the other is mafia which is bugging me because I keep flipping my read every 10 seconds or so.
Did you see my post on damdred in the last page?
Anyways, I think Damdred is scum because of PoE, and on a closer dive, stuff like a brought up about how he handle Breshke.
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On March 02 2016 23:38 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I read Vivax's case.
Still kind of on the fence about it. Did Vivax actually made a full blown case? all i remember is the quotes he showed me.
He talked about how Damdred had Breshke at the bottom of null, giving him a safe option for calling Breshke out while having the option to suspect other players in the cell.
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On March 02 2016 23:23 Damdred wrote:What's the point of pitting my neck super out there as scum to push one town wagon over the other?
I also don't really think that you did this?
If anything I think you were the least invested of the three of us during that lynch.
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On March 02 2016 23:40 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 23:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could you elaborate a bit on why you think Shape is mafia?
Same goes for Shape, actually - I can't really follow why either of you think the other is mafia which is bugging me because I keep flipping my read every 10 seconds or so. Did you see my post on damdred in the last page? Anyways, I think Damdred is scum because of PoE, and on a closer dive, stuff like a brought up about how he handle Breshke.
I don't know if PoE really works for me tbh - I can't come up with concrete reasons for either of you being town.
It might be easy for you but for me, not so much.
I read your post. It seemed okay but I sort of understood how Damdred could get there as well.
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On March 02 2016 23:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 23:38 Shapelog wrote:On March 02 2016 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I read Vivax's case.
Still kind of on the fence about it. Did Vivax actually made a full blown case? all i remember is the quotes he showed me. He talked about how Damdred had Breshke at the bottom of null, giving him a safe option for calling Breshke out while having the option to suspect other players in the cell.
Oh.
I copied/wrote a new chapter about him a bit then
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I'm heading to work. I'll be following along and trying to comment and I SHOULD have time before deadline to finalize things.
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On March 02 2016 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 23:40 Shapelog wrote:On March 02 2016 23:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could you elaborate a bit on why you think Shape is mafia?
Same goes for Shape, actually - I can't really follow why either of you think the other is mafia which is bugging me because I keep flipping my read every 10 seconds or so. Did you see my post on damdred in the last page? Anyways, I think Damdred is scum because of PoE, and on a closer dive, stuff like a brought up about how he handle Breshke. I don't know if PoE really works for me tbh - I can't come up with concrete reasons for either of you being town. It might be easy for you but for me, not so much. I read your post. It seemed okay but I sort of understood how Damdred could get there as well.
Yeah. it is harder for you.
Can you explain how town damdred could get there?
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I did about a page of filter around the time of the lynch talkign to ritoky, pressuring Shape and trying to get people on rels. SO yes I was invested in the lynch and it is not a fair assertion to make at all.
1) About the post shape just posted. It doesn't make people scum for being wrong. I had a thought, several people agreed with me and overall it was a good thought I still believe that could of come from town breshke. But Breshke did jack shit so it basically became policy where in a 50/50 you have to vote for the person who does the absolute least in that cell. No reads no anything, its just what it is. Secondly he is trying to take every single thing I said and try to make it scum.
(This is a bit of wifom) If I am trying to get people to get off of breshke and not to be suspicious of him why do I let LS come in and shit all over breshke and basically push him into the ground super early. Its stupid quite frankly for me to put myself in that situation. But that is wifom to an extent.
As for shape,
Just a condensed case that OWS can ask me about,
1) His early posts were a bit off. For example his first read posts lack real clear reads and leave plenty of room to wiggle. I have gotten blasted by multiple parties (Now shape as well) about my read on Breshke and how I contradict myself and try to get suspicion off of breshke. Its sort of amusing his reads on breshke are baically the same thing hes calling me scum for XD. A good quote from Rels is this
On February 24 2016 22:46 Rels wrote:
Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group.
Rels is a smart man, I think later he abandons this line of thinking to focus on other things. It mirrored the way that I was thinking when I was going ovr parts of his filters.
2) I've pointed out the vote things over and over again so I don't want to be a broken record, the Rels vote at this point isn't alignment indicative as it was we all agree between two towns. The bum vote is alignment indicative, all they needed was two townies who were swayable and they would of won that cell by switching over to them.
On March 01 2016 22:03 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 04:56 Shapelog wrote:
Fuck it, I am sure that a Town Kush would not just disappear like this. Then Bum straighten me out. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 05:02 bumatlarge wrote:
What the fuck shape, if you are going to get on an irrelevant vote, you need to provide good reasons so that you can convince others, not just make it look like an obvious off-vote. This is some basic mafia stuff dude. Even if no one follows, you can't be held accountable for an idle vote if you put some elbow grease into it. And on top of that, it's on kush for not posting? Weak bro, you can do better. So I unvoted and looked back leading to post Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 06:21 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 06:18 bumatlarge wrote:
I guess PoE doesn't mean what it used to? Well Vivax to me is town. And I can not find anything really to scum read/file a case against Kush that to me, convinces me that he is scum. Other than a course his awful vote yesterday and lack of care (he is doing it again). so that leaves you Bum. But I have goosebumps voting you. Which lead to my vote on him. So Bum convinced me to vote him.
This is his explanation and I don't think it really is a good one. The most likely thing is that mafia bum told his partner that he needs to vote on him so that the town didn't have as much to throw against him.
And part of it is POE of course becuase I know my alignment and I think my read on obi is excellent.
This was hard to do on phone any questions obi just ask
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If so much of your Shape case is predicated on Rels, why are you so sure Rels would bus him so early?
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On March 03 2016 00:08 Damdred wrote:I did about a page of filter around the time of the lynch talkign to ritoky, pressuring Shape and trying to get people on rels. SO yes I was invested in the lynch and it is not a fair assertion to make at all. 1) About the post shape just posted. It doesn't make people scum for being wrong. I had a thought, several people agreed with me and overall it was a good thought I still believe that could of come from town breshke. But Breshke did jack shit so it basically became policy where in a 50/50 you have to vote for the person who does the absolute least in that cell. No reads no anything, its just what it is. Secondly he is trying to take every single thing I said and try to make it scum. (This is a bit of wifom) If I am trying to get people to get off of breshke and not to be suspicious of him why do I let LS come in and shit all over breshke and basically push him into the ground super early. Its stupid quite frankly for me to put myself in that situation. But that is wifom to an extent. As for shape, Just a condensed case that OWS can ask me about, 1) His early posts were a bit off. For example his first read posts lack real clear reads and leave plenty of room to wiggle. I have gotten blasted by multiple parties (Now shape as well) about my read on Breshke and how I contradict myself and try to get suspicion off of breshke. Its sort of amusing his reads on breshke are baically the same thing hes calling me scum for XD. A good quote from Rels is this Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 22:46 Rels wrote:
Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group. Rels is a smart man, I think later he abandons this line of thinking to focus on other things. It mirrored the way that I was thinking when I was going ovr parts of his filters. 2) I've pointed out the vote things over and over again so I don't want to be a broken record, the Rels vote at this point isn't alignment indicative as it was we all agree between two towns. The bum vote is alignment indicative, all they needed was two townies who were swayable and they would of won that cell by switching over to them. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:03 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 04:56 Shapelog wrote:
Fuck it, I am sure that a Town Kush would not just disappear like this. Then Bum straighten me out. On March 01 2016 05:02 bumatlarge wrote:
What the fuck shape, if you are going to get on an irrelevant vote, you need to provide good reasons so that you can convince others, not just make it look like an obvious off-vote. This is some basic mafia stuff dude. Even if no one follows, you can't be held accountable for an idle vote if you put some elbow grease into it. And on top of that, it's on kush for not posting? Weak bro, you can do better. So I unvoted and looked back leading to post On March 01 2016 06:21 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 06:18 bumatlarge wrote:
I guess PoE doesn't mean what it used to? Well Vivax to me is town. And I can not find anything really to scum read/file a case against Kush that to me, convinces me that he is scum. Other than a course his awful vote yesterday and lack of care (he is doing it again). so that leaves you Bum. But I have goosebumps voting you. Which lead to my vote on him. So Bum convinced me to vote him. This is his explanation and I don't think it really is a good one. The most likely thing is that mafia bum told his partner that he needs to vote on him so that the town didn't have as much to throw against him. And part of it is POE of course becuase I know my alignment and I think my read on obi is excellent. This was hard to do on phone any questions obi just ask
On March 03 2016 00:08 Damdred wrote:
I did about a page of filter around the time of the lynch talkign to ritoky, pressuring Shape and trying to get people on rels. SO yes I was invested in the lynch and it is not a fair assertion to make at all.
No one was questioning if you were active at the lynch for C. We were talking about if you could be inactive.
1) About the post shape just posted. It doesn't make people scum for being wrong. I had a thought, several people agreed with me and overall it was a good thought I still believe that could of come from town breshke. But Breshke did jack shit so it basically became policy where in a 50/50 you have to vote for the person who does the absolute least in that cell. No reads no anything, its just what it is. Secondly he is trying to take every single thing I said and try to make it scum.
(This is a bit of wifom) If I am trying to get people to get off of breshke and not to be suspicious of him why do I let LS come in and shit all over breshke and basically push him into the ground super early. Its stupid quite frankly for me to put myself in that situation. But that is wifom to an extent.
Ik it does not make people scum for being wrong (otherwise I am the king of scum this game). And yeah, breshke did jack shit, that is the whole point. You had to bus him and you you keep it open to do so. 2. If i was pulling up everything to call you scum, well "SCUMM SCUMM SCUMM, WANTING TO BE TR SCUMMMMM."
Also for WIFOM, well that is a good point. but again that was speculating for both of us about the cell c scum. I just found something that i thought connected you to LS. But you make a good point.
As for your case on me,
1) My read on Breshke was different on that post
Breskhe: Anti-Mayor, Most of his talk is about set up. Fine with Damdred or Rit as mayor. I like the fact that he did not want afk players last. I agree with him on that, I feel that strong townies can help the game progress and help overall with the cells.
Other than that, he really has not done anything. Kinda just talked about set up and left.
It was not for the 50/50 (but I will admit i did agree with you, but then scum him and voted for him about his 180 filter)
2) If I was scum, and we know Bum is scum. Why did i vote kush who we did not want to go after? Not even Bum supported it. And why would Bum post in thread about it? Why not the Qt we shared? He could of just told me to back track a bit and vote on him. No need to make me more sus. by that post.
You also are just listing so much ideas behind my votes. 1st i was sheeping Rik, then now Bum convinced me (as a fellow scum) And before i was Swaying people? SWAYING!?!?! Tell me a post where i was saying "Come on guys vote kush!" and i will believe you.
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I am just happy I have a small filter for my rep. this game. 16 pages without a filter restriction!!!!
My town game is surely improving.
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On March 03 2016 00:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If so much of your Shape case is predicated on Rels, why are you so sure Rels would bus him so early?
I thought we all agreed that ls was the scum not rels?
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On March 03 2016 00:53 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 00:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If so much of your Shape case is predicated on Rels, why are you so sure Rels would bus him so early? I thought we all agreed that ls was the scum not rels?
I thought you kept thinking that rels was scum?
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Maybe not. The typos confused me for a bit.
Ignore meeeeereee.
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On March 02 2016 06:15 Damdred wrote:
Pl so, I want to say that rels was the scum because I hate to think that my read on L's that's been good forwver is void and I don't want to hear ritoky rub it in post game
But after reading bums filter he basically cpnfis that L's was the scum sadly.
He did OWS
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You don't have to sway people, its a thing in this setup.
That fay all that needs to happen is two towns need to be on someone now on that wagon. If rit and I switched to kush like we were talking about all the scum team would have to do last second is go onto that one wagon to win the cell. It would reveal the last cell probably but yeah our cell is fucking hard anyway.
Hoe many games have you played with ows shape?
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