Shin Megami Tensei: The Devil Inside Mafia

On February 16 2016 09:04 sicklucker wrote:
I think eden is scum for posting setup speculation and im happy others do too =]

On February 16 2016 07:23 nooniansoong wrote:


Who are you worried about spamming?

Seems like you are setting yourself up to not give a fuck.

On February 16 2016 11:25 sicklucker wrote:
It was plain english. Towns dont really care about that stuff they want to find scum. Power roles especially wont bring it up in thread. Mafia needs things to talk about so they sure will

On February 16 2016 11:29 sicklucker wrote:


would still vote him untill theres someone better because he claimed vt

On February 17 2016 11:06 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't think that "I'm a bad lynch" is a townie defense.

On February 17 2016 11:22 Trfel wrote:
I wasn't asking for an explanation, I was mentioning something that I thought was funny....

Anyway, I'm nearly caught up, so then I can go through the thread and once again completely fail to find mafia! Looking forward to it!

Does anyone have someone they'd like me to give additional attention to? Maybe sicklucker and Palmar?

On February 17 2016 11:40 sicklucker wrote:


you think hes town right? nothing new me and everyone aparently does

On February 17 2016 12:03 Trfel wrote:
Like, right after this, The Shining vanished until I asked him a question. And then vanished again.

It feels like his will to play, his desire to be involved, stopped after he got townread. See what I'm getting at?

On February 17 2016 14:37 sicklucker wrote:


did he mention it before or after i brought it up?

On February 17 2016 12:00 sicklucker wrote:
Trefel your a pretty cool guy and the only one who even voted anyone AT ALL besides me and maybe kush.

You two are likely to be town for that i think. I mean ive never been in a game where no one at all voted tho so i donno..

I may not be doing much but I at least voted early for information to you konw..

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 17 2016 11:33 Tumblewood wrote:
Pretend I quoted rsoul's question.
At the beginning of the game (aka when I made that post) the active people (rsoul, Trfel, Eden, kush, TT, SL, Shape, Breshke) were about equally active, and few of their posts at the time provide anything of substance. Since then, rsoul, kush, and TT have taken on a role of facilitation-- that is, making sure the game progresses. I think that mafia are more content just to let this day pass slowly and quietly and would not actively try to prevent that.

On February 17 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Don't like Shining's reads now that I bothered to read the larger post.

Not with the conclusions -- nobody is screaming lock-scum to me either -- but it felt like he came to null/null-ish conclusions about several players despite posting enough info to come to a firmer conclusion.

Like comparing his reads to mine, since we both ended up not having a lot of clear suspects, I make it clear what I find suspicious or not suspicious about people, and what I find validating or not validating about people. People don't do scummy and townie things, or at least, I don't think they have yet in this game. Look at this...



Basically, he lists a lot of reasons to like Tictock. He likes Tictock's town reads, and maybe only has real issues with how Tictock came to the GB read. But then he says that because Tictock doesn't have clear scumreads, that Tictock is a scum lean? I don't get how a guy can be considered to be pretty townie based off of having a lot of reasonable townreads, but then can end up being net-scummy due to not having clear scumreads.

It'd seem to me that you would conclude that the unclear scum reads is a big red flag, mafia can just make up reasons to townread people (especially if you agree with those reads and think the people being townread are actually town, then they're just saying correct things which is easy to do), and so the townreads don't mean anything and he's clear scum.

Or, you would say that the townreads are a great reason to townread him early, because they make sense and show that he's engaged with the game. At that point, it would be more reasonable to assume that a relative lack of scumreads is the byproduct of an early game without anybody doing anything obviously suspicious, and is NAI.

But surely you can't just say both things and call it virtually a wash (slight scum lean)? If either of them didn't matter you would conclude the other one is important and read Tictock accordingly. If both didn't matter then you would just not have a read. And they're not really constructed in a way that you can think both do matter -- since both of them are good reasons to read someone a certain way, and both lead to divergent conclusions, it stands to reason that one of them is wrong and thus shouldn't matter, and that, coming to this realization, you would review the player and decide which one matters.

I felt several of his reads that conclude null/null-ish have similar issues: he describes various behaviors by the player that look like they would be alignment-indicative, but they conclude opposite things, so instead of digging into the players in more depth and detail to resolve the divergent conclusions, he just calls them "null" overall even though they shouldn't be null. He's cited enough behaviors to come to some conclusion about a player, but then manages not to do so.

Coupled with the posting style -- few, longer posts, with minimal proactive interaction -- I'm actually inclined to think this guy could be a good lynch.

On February 18 2016 01:43 Shapelog wrote:

Why am I town lol?
Any ways to Rsoul, I feel moot about shining, his read post was very werid. But with the way his votes came upon him, I doubt he is actually scum.
Seems like the guy who mafia wants to lynch. IF you caught my drift.

On February 18 2016 02:47 The Shining wrote:


This is interesting. Eden cased me, SL voted me for weak reasoning before jumping off. Do you think either of them are scum?

On February 17 2016 19:43 sicklucker wrote:
First 3 posts still feel off to me, but Rsoul pointed out that his early posts were probably in response to Trfel's open so that might explain the odd feels I'm getting.

- it was random trolling i had it typed out before i even got my role pm

I do sorta agree with SL about the setup speculation point. It's more beneficial to mafia than town imo, least in a semi-open setup like this.

- thanks dont vote me

This read progression looks odd to me as well.

- thats because i dont explain it my reads are not often explained to simpletons

That first post is pretty confident, so what's making him unsure about me in the next post? Also this Shape read is outa nowhere.

- I dont know Im really good are reading spammy new players like i instaly called you town in are first game

Another odd post, so far SL has only given reads on me and Shape, so this is his first mafia read but he doesn't want to push Rsoul kus she can spew herself town?

- its logic you dont lynch people day one who are good at proving they are town because its limited time

'm not at all sure how SL came up with these names. I'd argue that GB, Kush and to a lesser extent Tumble have all been just as lackluster at this point in the game.

- i called shining a policy last game you were there.. scott is notoriously afk shit i always give new players a chance

On February 18 2016 03:24 sicklucker wrote:


you reminded me last game you answered your own fucking question rofl

On February 18 2016 03:52 sicklucker wrote:


you gave me the proper info to reach a good conclusion thanks. hows this wrong?

On February 18 2016 03:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude, catching up is exhausting.

I'm on page 21 and I'll keep catching up later but I need a break.

Can someone summarise what's going on right now for me?

On February 18 2016 03:55 sicklucker wrote:


he backed off when i called him out for rolehunting

On February 18 2016 04:18 sicklucker wrote:
i really dont have the energy to try to figure out a new enigma that is shapelog. can we lynch palmar or tumble

On February 18 2016 04:49 sicklucker wrote:
acualy its fine if your not nked we can kill you tormorow. onto plummar or tumble!

On February 18 2016 05:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Shapelog, claim your role

On February 18 2016 05:19 rsoultin wrote:


either you guys both claim or you don't -_- the circling each other like hyper-active buzzards is gonna irritate me

On February 18 2016 05:34 sicklucker wrote:


i never even claimed..

Shapelog (1): rsoultin, Trfel, nooniansoong, Breshke, Tumblewood
Sicklucker(2): Ticktock, Palmar, GlowingBear, Shapelog
Palmar (3): nooniansoong, sicklucker, Shapelog, Rsoultin
GlowingBear(2): nooniansoong, scott31337, nooniansoong
scott31337 (1): sicklucker
The Shining (1): Eden1892,sicklucker
Breshke(1): Palmar
Trfel (0): Shapelog
Eden1892 (0): Trfel, sicklucker
Scott31337 (2): Trfel, Breshke

On February 18 2016 05:46 Breshke wrote:


Why not scott?

On February 18 2016 05:48 sicklucker wrote:


can we make this pact after this game? i really hate you right now

On February 18 2016 06:07 rsoultin wrote:
more to the point, why does gb townread palmar and vote noon there?

On February 18 2016 05:57 rsoultin wrote:


-flings shoes at-

answer me...if you really wanted to make your vote count why the fuck did you vote a non-existent wagon and then say you were going to bugger off?

On February 18 2016 06:12 sicklucker wrote:
noon why didnt you vote to save palmar? im not buying you missed the deadline..

I wanna be your bro but..

On February 18 2016 05:54 sicklucker wrote:


im very happy with this plummer lynch the more i think about it. Theres good defeatist meta and if hes a lazy town we teach him a lovely lesson!

On February 18 2016 21:53 sicklucker wrote:


I didnt mislynch palmar im sure my vote was anti mafia

On February 19 2016 00:10 sicklucker wrote:
btw i must say breske is doing an excellent job at trying to draw a nk

On March 01 2016 09:58 sicklucker wrote:
gg tho ~.~ I thought you had her when i stoped reading. only one i was sure of really. Didnt think it was ticktock at the time

On March 01 2016 10:00 sicklucker wrote:


well if you were following other games (you are) you would know breske fucked off in mutliple games and had nothing to do with his alignment (probably)

I dont think that was a very good lynch he was really townie when he was here. I could see you lynching scott tho ;p

On March 01 2016 10:28 sicklucker wrote:
I think you did a good job covering it up. but your town game is just so weird that its probably impossible to immulate well as scum