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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 22 2016 04:35 GMT
#1601
On February 22 2016 13:31 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 13:29 Trfel wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:27 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:21 Trfel wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:16 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:10 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, is there any possible way that Breshke could be mafia here?


given his d1 i wouldn't have said so, but i'll look back through all the filters tomorrow, too lol >< including yours! muahaha (just so i can be fairly certain of my townreads and make sure i'm not calling someone town too easily)

noon is prob my least confident, but tbf he's also the one i'm least familiar with and that's why
The only reason I have at the moment to potentially scumread nooniansoong would be that his reads are too good for him to be town.

But I'm thinking that this is really really stupid. So, this aside, if he's scum, he's playing a really incredible game and at this point I think I'm more sure of him than Breshke, though Breshke is still probably town.

Tictock, do you mind explaining why you felt that Palmar's filter was worse than scott's on Day 1?

I'd characterize scott's filter as simply not really being present, and Palmar's filter more of trolling/minimal explanations for reads. To me, this makes Palmar's filter feel more useful (if you ignore the useless posts, I felt that Palmar still had more content). I'm assuming you disagree, or are you thinking about it differently, or what?


lol >< i've seen this thing about him lately in the games i've been hosting, but actually noon's been playing some pretty good games here latel...so yeah i wouldn't put too much weight on that

well, i'll take another look at bresh...i'll be honest here and admit that though i noticed he was largely absent for at least the latter half of d2, i've kinda not been reading him too closely ever since i townread him earlier
No, nooniansoong is a terrible player who can never have his reads correct

I know, which is why I said it was a really stupid reason and I'm currently giving it exactly zero weight. The point I tried to convey was that I've played in most of the games with the "new style" nooniansoong and I that's the best reason I have to scumread him, and it's complete garbage.

Plus he deserves a dig or two for last game (okay not really but I'll pretend)


lol i was pretty sure you were joking but it can sometimes be hard to tell with you >>
So when we lynch scott and Tictock and they're both mafia and Tumblewood is town, do you admit that my meta reads aren't completely terrible any more?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 22 2016 04:36 GMT
#1602
I can give excuses why I was gone D2 but it doesn't really matter because I'm fairly sure it won't affect anyone's reads and after looking at my filter you guys will still townread my anyway.

I feel like if I was tumble Scott or TT the game is really easy and in not feeling that from their posts. Other than TT I don't see them actively questioning the like thread agreed townreads nor do I see them saying "this game is easy it's the other two". I think the best way to say it is keeping their options open?

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself right
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 22 2016 04:37 GMT
#1603
(note: above post is mostly facetious)

Anyway, I remembered a meta thing that makes me very comfortable lynching scott here. Yeah, okay, we probably don't need more reasoning to lynch scott, but whatever.

In that game where I was mafia and mislynched scott, whatever it was called, scott got somewhat emotionally involved and became sure that I was scum and was calling for my lynch after he died.

Even when he was mislynched Day 1, he was invested in the game in a way more than he's been across all of this game combined. Voting for scott.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 22 2016 04:38 GMT
#1604
Also, ROFL at Shapelog in the voting thread XD I've never seen that before. That deserves an award nomination
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 22 2016 04:38 GMT
#1605
On February 22 2016 13:35 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 13:31 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:29 Trfel wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:27 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:21 Trfel wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:16 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:10 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, is there any possible way that Breshke could be mafia here?


given his d1 i wouldn't have said so, but i'll look back through all the filters tomorrow, too lol >< including yours! muahaha (just so i can be fairly certain of my townreads and make sure i'm not calling someone town too easily)

noon is prob my least confident, but tbf he's also the one i'm least familiar with and that's why
The only reason I have at the moment to potentially scumread nooniansoong would be that his reads are too good for him to be town.

But I'm thinking that this is really really stupid. So, this aside, if he's scum, he's playing a really incredible game and at this point I think I'm more sure of him than Breshke, though Breshke is still probably town.

Tictock, do you mind explaining why you felt that Palmar's filter was worse than scott's on Day 1?

I'd characterize scott's filter as simply not really being present, and Palmar's filter more of trolling/minimal explanations for reads. To me, this makes Palmar's filter feel more useful (if you ignore the useless posts, I felt that Palmar still had more content). I'm assuming you disagree, or are you thinking about it differently, or what?


lol >< i've seen this thing about him lately in the games i've been hosting, but actually noon's been playing some pretty good games here latel...so yeah i wouldn't put too much weight on that

well, i'll take another look at bresh...i'll be honest here and admit that though i noticed he was largely absent for at least the latter half of d2, i've kinda not been reading him too closely ever since i townread him earlier
No, nooniansoong is a terrible player who can never have his reads correct

I know, which is why I said it was a really stupid reason and I'm currently giving it exactly zero weight. The point I tried to convey was that I've played in most of the games with the "new style" nooniansoong and I that's the best reason I have to scumread him, and it's complete garbage.

Plus he deserves a dig or two for last game (okay not really but I'll pretend)


lol i was pretty sure you were joking but it can sometimes be hard to tell with you >>
So when we lynch scott and Tictock and they're both mafia and Tumblewood is town, do you admit that my meta reads aren't completely terrible any more?


>> oh come now, as if you need further validation from me after i told you that someone with near perfect reads isn't horrible just because he has trouble getting people to listen to him lol >< you just want to lord it over me! well i hope tumblewood is scum just for that!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 22 2016 04:40 GMT
#1606
On February 22 2016 13:36 Breshke wrote:
I can give excuses why I was gone D2 but it doesn't really matter because I'm fairly sure it won't affect anyone's reads and after looking at my filter you guys will still townread my anyway.

I feel like if I was tumble Scott or TT the game is really easy and in not feeling that from their posts. Other than TT I don't see them actively questioning the like thread agreed townreads nor do I see them saying "this game is easy it's the other two". I think the best way to say it is keeping their options open?

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself right


um, you mean, if we think it's easy and poe'd down to the three of them, shouldn't they think it's even more in the bag, since the town player presumably already knows who the scum are? essentially?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 22 2016 04:41 GMT
#1607
On February 22 2016 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 13:36 Breshke wrote:
I can give excuses why I was gone D2 but it doesn't really matter because I'm fairly sure it won't affect anyone's reads and after looking at my filter you guys will still townread my anyway.

I feel like if I was tumble Scott or TT the game is really easy and in not feeling that from their posts. Other than TT I don't see them actively questioning the like thread agreed townreads nor do I see them saying "this game is easy it's the other two". I think the best way to say it is keeping their options open?

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself right


um, you mean, if we think it's easy and poe'd down to the three of them, shouldn't they think it's even more in the bag, since the town player presumably already knows who the scum are? essentially?


Yes
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 22 2016 04:44 GMT
#1608
On February 22 2016 13:41 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:36 Breshke wrote:
I can give excuses why I was gone D2 but it doesn't really matter because I'm fairly sure it won't affect anyone's reads and after looking at my filter you guys will still townread my anyway.

I feel like if I was tumble Scott or TT the game is really easy and in not feeling that from their posts. Other than TT I don't see them actively questioning the like thread agreed townreads nor do I see them saying "this game is easy it's the other two". I think the best way to say it is keeping their options open?

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself right


um, you mean, if we think it's easy and poe'd down to the three of them, shouldn't they think it's even more in the bag, since the town player presumably already knows who the scum are? essentially?


Yes


okay, yeah, i see where you're coming from lol >< just not really sure what we're supposed to get from it? like, if it's just scott and tumble here maybe they're having trouble finding a townie to push cause no thread pull/presence, but you'd think they'd either try something anyway or just buss -shrugs- idk
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 22 2016 04:45 GMT
#1609
On February 22 2016 13:44 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 13:41 Breshke wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:36 Breshke wrote:
I can give excuses why I was gone D2 but it doesn't really matter because I'm fairly sure it won't affect anyone's reads and after looking at my filter you guys will still townread my anyway.

I feel like if I was tumble Scott or TT the game is really easy and in not feeling that from their posts. Other than TT I don't see them actively questioning the like thread agreed townreads nor do I see them saying "this game is easy it's the other two". I think the best way to say it is keeping their options open?

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself right


um, you mean, if we think it's easy and poe'd down to the three of them, shouldn't they think it's even more in the bag, since the town player presumably already knows who the scum are? essentially?


Yes


okay, yeah, i see where you're coming from lol >< just not really sure what we're supposed to get from it? like, if it's just scott and tumble here maybe they're having trouble finding a townie to push cause no thread pull/presence, but you'd think they'd either try something anyway or just buss -shrugs- idk
pssst

Tumblewood isn't mafia

I forget why but he isn't My early townreads are almost never wrong. Remember PepperMintTea? Kuragari42? DoYouHas? I'll figure out why he is town later, but he's town.

Next question, why is Tictock townreading scott31337? I think I know the answer...
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 22 2016 04:46 GMT
#1610
On February 22 2016 13:45 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 13:44 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:41 Breshke wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:36 Breshke wrote:
I can give excuses why I was gone D2 but it doesn't really matter because I'm fairly sure it won't affect anyone's reads and after looking at my filter you guys will still townread my anyway.

I feel like if I was tumble Scott or TT the game is really easy and in not feeling that from their posts. Other than TT I don't see them actively questioning the like thread agreed townreads nor do I see them saying "this game is easy it's the other two". I think the best way to say it is keeping their options open?

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself right


um, you mean, if we think it's easy and poe'd down to the three of them, shouldn't they think it's even more in the bag, since the town player presumably already knows who the scum are? essentially?


Yes


okay, yeah, i see where you're coming from lol >< just not really sure what we're supposed to get from it? like, if it's just scott and tumble here maybe they're having trouble finding a townie to push cause no thread pull/presence, but you'd think they'd either try something anyway or just buss -shrugs- idk
pssst

Tumblewood isn't mafia

I forget why but he isn't My early townreads are almost never wrong. Remember PepperMintTea? Kuragari42? DoYouHas? I'll figure out why he is town later, but he's town.

Next question, why is Tictock townreading scott31337? I think I know the answer...


lol >< shhhh pre-flipped associates are baaaaad truffle wuffle
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 22 2016 04:48 GMT
#1611
On February 22 2016 13:46 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 13:45 Trfel wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:44 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:41 Breshke wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:36 Breshke wrote:
I can give excuses why I was gone D2 but it doesn't really matter because I'm fairly sure it won't affect anyone's reads and after looking at my filter you guys will still townread my anyway.

I feel like if I was tumble Scott or TT the game is really easy and in not feeling that from their posts. Other than TT I don't see them actively questioning the like thread agreed townreads nor do I see them saying "this game is easy it's the other two". I think the best way to say it is keeping their options open?

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself right


um, you mean, if we think it's easy and poe'd down to the three of them, shouldn't they think it's even more in the bag, since the town player presumably already knows who the scum are? essentially?


Yes


okay, yeah, i see where you're coming from lol >< just not really sure what we're supposed to get from it? like, if it's just scott and tumble here maybe they're having trouble finding a townie to push cause no thread pull/presence, but you'd think they'd either try something anyway or just buss -shrugs- idk
pssst

Tumblewood isn't mafia

I forget why but he isn't My early townreads are almost never wrong. Remember PepperMintTea? Kuragari42? DoYouHas? I'll figure out why he is town later, but he's town.

Next question, why is Tictock townreading scott31337? I think I know the answer...


lol >< shhhh pre-flipped associates are baaaaad truffle wuffle
But when they're correct?

Okay, you're right, I should stop being a jerk. And no, I'm nowhere near as confident as I'm pretending to be, but I'm finding it quite fun to taunt you Seriously though, let me catch up on the thread (1 page to go) then I'll go through their filters and make up some reasons to fit my pre-made conclusions.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 22 2016 04:52 GMT
#1612
On February 22 2016 13:48 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 13:46 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:45 Trfel wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:44 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:41 Breshke wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
On February 22 2016 13:36 Breshke wrote:
I can give excuses why I was gone D2 but it doesn't really matter because I'm fairly sure it won't affect anyone's reads and after looking at my filter you guys will still townread my anyway.

I feel like if I was tumble Scott or TT the game is really easy and in not feeling that from their posts. Other than TT I don't see them actively questioning the like thread agreed townreads nor do I see them saying "this game is easy it's the other two". I think the best way to say it is keeping their options open?

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself right


um, you mean, if we think it's easy and poe'd down to the three of them, shouldn't they think it's even more in the bag, since the town player presumably already knows who the scum are? essentially?


Yes


okay, yeah, i see where you're coming from lol >< just not really sure what we're supposed to get from it? like, if it's just scott and tumble here maybe they're having trouble finding a townie to push cause no thread pull/presence, but you'd think they'd either try something anyway or just buss -shrugs- idk
pssst

Tumblewood isn't mafia

I forget why but he isn't My early townreads are almost never wrong. Remember PepperMintTea? Kuragari42? DoYouHas? I'll figure out why he is town later, but he's town.

Next question, why is Tictock townreading scott31337? I think I know the answer...


lol >< shhhh pre-flipped associates are baaaaad truffle wuffle
But when they're correct?

Okay, you're right, I should stop being a jerk. And no, I'm nowhere near as confident as I'm pretending to be, but I'm finding it quite fun to taunt you Seriously though, let me catch up on the thread (1 page to go) then I'll go through their filters and make up some reasons to fit my pre-made conclusions.


always the best way to mafias do analysis >>
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
February 22 2016 04:59 GMT
#1613
On February 22 2016 13:36 Breshke wrote:
I can give excuses why I was gone D2 but it doesn't really matter because I'm fairly sure it won't affect anyone's reads and after looking at my filter you guys will still townread my anyway.

I feel like if I was tumble Scott or TT the game is really easy and in not feeling that from their posts. Other than TT I don't see them actively questioning the like thread agreed townreads nor do I see them saying "this game is easy it's the other two". I think the best way to say it is keeping their options open?

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself right


This is such a bad post, that you are probably mafia.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
February 22 2016 05:00 GMT
#1614
On February 22 2016 13:37 Trfel wrote:
(note: above post is mostly facetious)

Anyway, I remembered a meta thing that makes me very comfortable lynching scott here. Yeah, okay, we probably don't need more reasoning to lynch scott, but whatever.

In that game where I was mafia and mislynched scott, whatever it was called, scott got somewhat emotionally involved and became sure that I was scum and was calling for my lynch after he died.

Even when he was mislynched Day 1, he was invested in the game in a way more than he's been across all of this game combined. Voting for scott.


This doesn't look so invested to me...

On February 18 2016 09:01 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 05:59 disformation wrote:
Vote Count - Day 1


Palmar (4): nooniansoong, sicklucker, Shapelog, rsoultin, sicklucker, Tictock, Eden1892, Tumblewood
scott31337 (4): sicklucker, Trfel, Breshke, rsoultin, sicklucker
GlowingBear(2): nooniansoong, scott31337, nooniansoong
Breshke(1): Palmar
Tumblewood (1): The Shining, sicklucker
nooniansoong (1): GlowinBear
Trfel (0): Shapelog
Eden1892 (0): Trfel, sicklucker
Sicklucker(0): Tictock, Palmar, GlowingBear, Shapelog
The Shining (0): Eden1892, sicklucker
Shapelog (0): rsoultin, Trfel, nooniansoong, Breshke, Tumblewood

Not Voting (0):

At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on 21:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.


I just got back I've been running around for work and just got home - great, it was town on town and now I have
to shit some magical rainbows or the scummers are going to get me next - and I wasn't around to change my vote.

I still have 20 pages to catch up, dinner to cook and beer to drink after a long day...

(no follow up for like 12 hours)

Lies = Probably mafia
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
February 22 2016 05:01 GMT
#1615
Oh I'm sorry I thought we were finding random reasons to call each other mafia for a moment.
I can take that responsibility.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 22 2016 05:02 GMT
#1616
On February 22 2016 14:00 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 13:37 Trfel wrote:
(note: above post is mostly facetious)

Anyway, I remembered a meta thing that makes me very comfortable lynching scott here. Yeah, okay, we probably don't need more reasoning to lynch scott, but whatever.

In that game where I was mafia and mislynched scott, whatever it was called, scott got somewhat emotionally involved and became sure that I was scum and was calling for my lynch after he died.

Even when he was mislynched Day 1, he was invested in the game in a way more than he's been across all of this game combined. Voting for scott.


This doesn't look so invested to me...

Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 09:01 scott31337 wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:59 disformation wrote:
Vote Count - Day 1


Palmar (4): nooniansoong, sicklucker, Shapelog, rsoultin, sicklucker, Tictock, Eden1892, Tumblewood
scott31337 (4): sicklucker, Trfel, Breshke, rsoultin, sicklucker
GlowingBear(2): nooniansoong, scott31337, nooniansoong
Breshke(1): Palmar
Tumblewood (1): The Shining, sicklucker
nooniansoong (1): GlowinBear
Trfel (0): Shapelog
Eden1892 (0): Trfel, sicklucker
Sicklucker(0): Tictock, Palmar, GlowingBear, Shapelog
The Shining (0): Eden1892, sicklucker
Shapelog (0): rsoultin, Trfel, nooniansoong, Breshke, Tumblewood

Not Voting (0):

At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on 21:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.


I just got back I've been running around for work and just got home - great, it was town on town and now I have
to shit some magical rainbows or the scummers are going to get me next - and I wasn't around to change my vote.

I still have 20 pages to catch up, dinner to cook and beer to drink after a long day...

(no follow up for like 12 hours)

Lies = Probably mafia
I believe that you are saying my point exactly, so I'm not sure what you're saying?

Also, if I may, weren't you townreading scott31337?

And, if I still may, please explain why Breshke's post makes him mafia?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 22 2016 05:03 GMT
#1617
Hrm, you got me.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 22 2016 05:09 GMT
#1618
TT why is my post bad
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
February 22 2016 05:50 GMT
#1619
Well Bre's post was pretty bad tbh.

Like I'm at

The Shining - + Show Spoiler +
Confirmed Town + Show Spoiler +
Tinfoil:Impossible, yet still fun

Breshke - + Show Spoiler +
Feels like the Breshke that I remember. Sometimes awkward but pushes for info and talks things out with people in a logical way. I haven't seen a scum game from him recently, but I know he feels awkward in a QT with extra info. Up till that last post I don't see any signs of agenda in his posts. + Show Spoiler +
Tinfoil: Possible

Trfel - + Show Spoiler +
Reads seem fluid, sometimes terrible, but genuine. Over-focus on meta is questionable but probably NAI. My own terrible meta on Trfel: He's pretty fluid and informal in interactions, as scum I've seen him do very pristine WoT style posts. + Show Spoiler +
Tinfoil: Nothing Happens...

Rsoultin - + Show Spoiler +
Pretty open in opinion if sometimes confusing. Seems to have genuine reads and progression in them. Tbh kinda trusting my other townreads on her, I'm not sure what her scum style is. + Show Spoiler +
Tinfoil: Possible, though a little painful.


Scott31337 - + Show Spoiler +
D1 VCA, he's posted little but seems to be giving his thoughts. Voted GB before it was cool. + Show Spoiler +
Tinfoil: Yea... maybe he is scum


nooniansoong - + Show Spoiler +
If this comes as a suprise you haven't actually been reading my posts. There has been a lot of little things that feel off to me about Kush and tbh I think he's in the prime spot to be riding credit from the GB lynch. + Show Spoiler +
Tinfoil: Oh we are already wearing this one, I've been tinfoiling about this read since Kush was wanting to push me based on pre-flip associations with GB


I will admit, if kush is scum he's playing great. He's engaged and actively pushing his reads just like a towny should. I'd imagine that a step up in his town-play lately would also mean a step-up in scum play though. Maybe not to this level?

Maybe if scott flips red I'd believe Kush is town... maybe

Tumblewood - + Show Spoiler +
Blah, kinda did a thing + Show Spoiler +
Tinfoil: Waste of effort


And I've been pretty clear about my scott read.

It's also not impossible that one of us might be considering Bre or Trfel so it was kinda weird to assume that your PoE is everyone's PoE.

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
February 22 2016 05:52 GMT
#1620
So with that I'm gunna call it a night and drop my vote on Tumble.

You all enjoy lynching Scott.
I can take that responsibility.
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