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On February 06 2016 08:14 marvellosity wrote: Bleh. Came to check lynch. If that was palmers only post we got free mafia at least That is literally all he did. | ||
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On February 06 2016 08:14 Rels wrote: No. He's dead whatever happen. He came back to the thread seconds before deadline to save himself while being AFK all day. He's 100% scum. 1000% Really wish people would have listened. | ||
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On February 06 2016 08:15 justanothertownie wrote: Because of this post and the weird last second push from ritoky/damdred and Kush earlier. Didn't feel right. Also I skimmed the Zyrre filter marv linked earlier and it really is night and day -.- And I gave a mitigating argument for that being night and day. | ||
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On February 07 2016 00:55 Koshi wrote: Kush/Palmar/Chez/x How are you getting a read on Chez either way? | ||
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On February 06 2016 21:16 boxerfred wrote: If I'd be productive and constructive, I'd note a suspicious absence of ritoky and I'd further analyse the votes. I'm totally with marv tbh regarding Palmar, he should be shot at night now. If he flips scum, we have a great chance to identify scummers among the trains. ritoky said he was at work and could not play terribly much closer to end of cycle. Same problem I had first half of day 1, I couldn't play, he couldn't play closer to end of cycle (which makes me more a dick for what I said to Onegu but I'm not disputing that either). Just saying. Excluding end of cycle where he dropped his vote on Palmar anyhow, I thought he was pretty towny most of the first half of day 1. And if it wasn't clear enough, I am on board that Palmar is effectively scum. | ||
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Any particular post? | ||
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About what? | ||
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On February 06 2016 17:01 boxerfred wrote: You think you're a cool kid because after three games of mafia, you go down the unreadable road, right? Lol. ##vote MoosyDoosy locked until you're dead. On February 06 2016 17:01 boxerfred wrote: No way I'll end up in a game with you again Not many like how he plays but this is poor form regardless. | ||
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so I'll start with boxerfred, my concern is he was back and forth without any rationale, just as someone else said, overall erratic and all over the place. I have never played with the guy so I have to see whether that's routine for him or not. It looks bad but aside from the first half of day 1 I don't recall offhand a stance on either Palmar or Zyrre, and whether he was sheeping a townread, so if neither are true then he does look really bad. Could scum fake that though....I'm not sure. It's one thing to fake an easy meta like being afk, but just to type all that gibberish. I would have to read day 1 again and double check progression. If there was lack of, then yeah he's not good at all. Noon is a tough nut to crack - he saw potential town tells in Zyrre and then said he did something that negated the read, and didn't feel there was enough to implicate Palmar, the latter I can understand if he's not played much with him, though he played with him in Outlaw but I'm not sure of the experience between those two. It's not necessarily scummy. I don't think his vote in of itself is faulty, but separate from the vote, his not wanting to play is just meh, and I cannot blame people for wanting to policy lynch him initially. I don't think there's anything wrong with filing him under the 50/50 column, and then lynching him via process of elimination in the late game if there's enough others who are towny - if an inv role redchecks him then of course, all the better. | ||
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On February 07 2016 02:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: There were some things about ritoky that ticked in my mind. I think it was concerning disfo. mMmmm....I'm also conflicted on Rels which is never ever a good thing. You mind elaborating? From last night when we were playing that pick a townie game or whatever it was, you townread me for the very same things that Rels and disformation scumread me for. So can you explain that and explain what else, - if any - makes Rels potentially scum? I really don't think he is. | ||
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You said you didn't trust ritoky middle of day 1 when we were playing that game, and I don't really think you answered my question at that time. What between ritoky and disformation looked suspicious to you? | ||
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On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows. ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. Well here's the thing, for me for Rels - a key scum tell is him taking words/quotes/etc out of context. When he was pushing me day 1, he didn't see me logically and in most of my games I am able to get my arguments out in a logical manner. Here he didn't understand my early push on VA, quite frankly, no one did, and I saw his interactions with other people, and I didn't see any of those scum tells that makes me wary. Town Rels has a cleaner game IMO from what I see. as for the ritoky/disformation I cannot see how what you are saying makes EITHER of those two mafia. Disformation makes a shit case because (a) he cannot articulate himself well (b) he's confirmation biasing (which JAT basically confirmed near end of cycle) (c) he's mafia. Point is, disformation is not entirely scummy, and neither is ritoky for pushing in in that direction. And regardless of whom is implicated, me, Palmar, etc, I can't see how that winds back up at ritoky. Like this really isn't clear to me. At best you have pre-flip read here. | ||
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On February 07 2016 03:01 justanothertownie wrote: Some part of me hopes palmar is town. If only because if he is scum I played a perfect day1 just to throw it all away at the very last second. But I seriously wonder if a vigshot isn't better placed on Onegu, Moosy or some other unreadable guy who will make us waste a lynch on him regardless of his alignment anyways. Given how close the end of cycle wagons were I believe the mechanically correct decision is to vig shoot Palmar, should we have one. Compounded with his play, I feel it is best. | ||
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On February 07 2016 03:03 Koshi wrote: Just felt like he was pushing agenda when I read his posts, they seemed to be strategically and not random Chez. A look through his filter shows trolling of disformation which I felt wasn't alignment indicative because it's an unreadable player more or less trolling, townreading Noon, and then voting Zyrre, you could implicate him for the final decision, but like I said before I really have no idea how to actually read him. He didn't appear to be "pushing" anything, I asked him why Zyrre when he ninja voted and he just said "for Zyrre". Like I think the ninja vote makes Chez look bad, but I couldn't tell he was pushing anything. Like Chez wasn't screaming at people to vote Zyrre. Plus Noon said that as mafia Chez doesn't do anything. Chez said something about him and Noon being Jedi brothers (implied townread??) but IDK how that reflects agenda. Maybe some other Chez experts can weigh in. | ||
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On February 07 2016 09:16 disformation wrote: Yeah, I think that was marv. Might not have shot him for the WIFOM? Hmmmm... Scum might have accepted losing Palmar and tried to shoot ppl that were more dangerous for their other mates? Really getting into wifom land here though. Will try to work on a few tinfoils for both cases (town!Palmar and scum!Palmar) tomorrow, if the day is as dead as I fear it to be. meh....it could be wifom (what other choice do they have), it could be not, it could be a medic dodge, who knows. GGs JAT/ritoky/Damdred. My vote is on Palmar, and is staying on Palmar all cycle. Good night. | ||
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On February 07 2016 09:05 darthfoley wrote: oh right I'm silly. Misread the VC. I rescind my question. Is it really as simple as Palmar: kill these 3 good players who've been voting for me/on my ass. Is Palmar known for some Italian style vengeance? I just read ritoky's filter for Palmar mentions, and although he voted Palmar, he got on the wagon relatively late and did not seem particularly hardcore for it. Meh this all seems too clean. Maybe it is Just saw this. The answer to this is yes. In Outlaw, he was mafia, and 5 people that called him mafia, myself included, in that game, all died, IIRC, 2 on night 1, 2 on night 2 and I died night 4. I replaced into that game night 2 and didn't really get my shit together until day 4, which is why I didn't die early on. Now I'm off. | ||
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I don't know what you mean by this. | ||
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On February 07 2016 09:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: NM, spit some hot fire for me. It's late here. Tell me what you want to discuss and I'll touch on it in the morning. Silly Americans wanting us to play all night. Oh wait a minute now xD | ||
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disformation, I was townreading you and Rels. Where did you get the impression I was scumreading either of you? MoosyDoosy was scumreading or tentative on Rels and I know I had to explain to him why I thought Rels was town. Also if Palmar got modkilled, I would lynch Koshi. Reading up Rels appears to have some great points in his case in addition to what I mentioned day 1, and the lack of followup is very much like like felt. I couldn't articulate it well though, and I'd 1000% sheep that case. Not to mention if and as Palmar should flip scum, his vote saving Palmar prior to Damdred's switch is terrible. My scumreads are still as is and I still need to read into boxerfred a bit more. MoosyDoosy also said a few things in conversation that were a bit of a head scratcher - the solo vote doesn't make him any better. I'll flesh these out once I'm caught up in case I missed something. | ||
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