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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 17:47 GMT
#1053
##vote Palmar
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 17:50 GMT
#1056
On February 06 2016 02:43 Zyrre wrote:
Marv, the biggest difference I see in my filters is activity. I think I was just more confident as it was a newbie game.

Still, it was one game 2.5 years ago. I dont even remember it.


......and I was effectively ninjaed. Still I think my explanation is valid.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 17:57 GMT
#1057
On February 06 2016 02:50 disformation wrote:
And why didnt you vote Palmar before? Waiting for the thread consent?


I started at 3am CET, I crashed somewhere between 8/8:30. This is day 1. And if you look at the votes, consolidation on day 1 is a mess. If you're town you want to consolidate.

If I - or others - can come up with preferred lynches based on things I feel make them mafia, be it meta (yes it can be used properly, I didn't ignore your post), or be it lack of direction (see marv's last post), then I don't see what the problem is.

People also had trouble understanding my previous arguments against VA, so I re-presented it ignoring myself (bias). I feel there's adequate cause for being scummy.

That said, I want to ask you disformation, why you are not asking this same question of VA. He has said dick all prior to my "why Palmar could be mafia post".

(Yes I realise I'm voting WITH him on Palmar, but that's besides the point, other townreads are doing so, and we can see based on the flip what is going on. I am confident in a red flip and then we can evaluate the context of how people got there.)
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 17:59 GMT
#1060
EBWOP (at disformation):

On February 06 2016 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh and ##vote: Palmar

He is supposed to be my day 1 antithesis, the pinnacle of good day 1 play. where is that here


Read VAs filter. ZERO mention of Palmar and this timing was well after my post/others' discussion. Ask him that too.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:03 GMT
#1062
On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:07 GMT
#1064
disformation, my last point was because it's a double standard in how you are applying "thread sentiment" between myself and VA.

Also you want to talk about Dark Tournament (Noon, pay attention please, I think this also answers some of your concern on my case too) - even in Dark Tournament day 2, you remember when HTS got lynched. Palmar was lazy as fuck that game but HE STILL HAD DIRECTION. He came in and used his "lazy filter criteria" to correctly place the vote on HTS.

Even if you don't like my case, even if you don't like me, you cannot ignore marv's logic.

HE HAD MORE DIRECTION ON A LAZY DAY IN DARK TOURNAMENT THAN HE DOES HERE.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:13 GMT
#1067
On February 06 2016 02:43 Zyrre wrote:
Marv, the biggest difference I see in my filters is activity. I think I was just more confident as it was a newbie game.

Still, it was one game 2.5 years ago. I dont even remember it.


Do you have an opinion on Palmar? One way or another? Do you have an opinion on the people (other than previously mentioned) who are voting him?

Let's start there.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:13 GMT
#1068
Which is exactly what I did JAT.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:47 GMT
#1089
On February 06 2016 03:43 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.

I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this.

If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous.

But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally.

This.
Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town?
You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town.
Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD

No, we can 100 % see day2 who we want to lynch day2 and there won't be any stupid bargains like this.

If you are suddenly so convinced then make a conclusive case on NM.

  • Says he doesn't like meta and that he tries to find other evidence for alignment.
  • Makes meta case on Palmar saying Palmar could be scum. Based on games NM didn't even play in.
  • Ignores meta evidence that say Palmar could be lazy town.
  • Votes Palmar after Palmar has got a decent chunk of votes.
  • Doesn't answer my questions but tries to deflect me by asking me about VA.


More games = stronger basis.
Third point, Dark Tournament shows an example of what he did do as lazy town and why that is missing here (lack of direction).
Voting Palmar is town consolidation and I presented my view - how is this exclusively scummy?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:47 GMT
#1090
disformation, let's just give you a hypothetical. If I was modkilled and you didn't have to consider me, whom would you vote for?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:49 GMT
#1092
Can people in the policy lynch category or advocating policy lynches explain why they are opting for the policy lynch over Palmar? (Koshi excepted, since he already did).

Noon, having played in NSM18 and you tried to pull the same thing on Onegu, can you at least state where you'd put your vote or if I had to give you a hammer who you would hammer for a scum lynch?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:56 GMT
#1103
On February 06 2016 03:55 boxerfred wrote:
also no idea about Palmar by the way, didn't even remotely look into it.


He's the leading wagon. I think you probably should.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:56 GMT
#1104
On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times.

This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town.


???????????

To use an example from where I played in rayn's aborted invite game, he stopped playing at a given point and was shennanied onto during the weekend. Even in THAT game he was more opinionated and absolute.

Here he's played. He's actually played and there's material he can be held accountable for and most of that was Wed night/Thursday. The game started Wed night. We're now at Friday night. So the whole weekend business is out the window based on what he has posted. Based on what he's posted, the "shit as town" argument shouldn't apply here.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 19:05 GMT
#1118
On February 06 2016 04:05 disformation wrote:
like can anyone sell me the palmar lynch without referring to meta?


Did you read marv's arguments against him?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 19:06 GMT
#1121
On February 06 2016 02:35 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar - my vote is on him, and he's a decent lynch. Actually I think his absence today is kinda non-admissable, i think as either alignment he'd show up if he could. Not totally sure though. My main issue with Palmar is that he has quite a few posts but none of them are really pushing anything forward or finding mafia. Ironically if his filter was half the size I'd be more inclined to think he was town. If he comes in later while i'm out and makes a case on me, lynch him. Just lynch him. He knows I am town (or should at least feel i am) and would never want to lynch me today, he'd only be doing it to destabilise whatever influence I have on town. And yes he'd do it even after I wrote this. He may come back and look town, which is nice. I'd also note it's not beyond mafia Palmar to afk and hope for the best when he's mafia, even if i do rather think he'd come and try do stuff.

Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 19:14 GMT
#1133
On February 06 2016 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 04:00 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:56 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:
VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times.

This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town.


???????????

To use an example from where I played in rayn's aborted invite game, he stopped playing at a given point and was shennanied onto during the weekend. Even in THAT game he was more opinionated and absolute.

Here he's played. He's actually played and there's material he can be held accountable for and most of that was Wed night/Thursday. The game started Wed night. We're now at Friday night. So the whole weekend business is out the window based on what he has posted. Based on what he's posted, the "shit as town" argument shouldn't apply here.

So he played really good and then went afk and people lynched him?

Explain this pls. I didn't read the invite game at all.


Trying to say that the number of times he's been lynched doesn't correlate to what you are saying. Not to mention it doesn't account for scum lynches either. It's a poor point to make.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 19:15 GMT
#1135
On February 06 2016 04:13 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
So I think this post:

On July 31 2013 20:14 Zyrre wrote:
Reading through filters this morning trying to make some sense of the DeusX->reps->Umasi/alakaslam exchanges.

reps:
On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote:
Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else.

This post seems to be very town at first to me, however, following this post is 2.5h of posts where suspicion is aimed at DeusX instead. Then reps decides anyway to post this:
On July 31 2013 14:48 reps)squishy wrote:
My response to skeptics.
He said he is a newbie multiple times!
Pff, oops I said I was a newbie to many times that does not decide what role I am.

He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that.
scroll up there is another post that I almost edited. Almost looks exactly the same scrubby mistake.

My mistakes have made me look pretty scummy. But assure me saying I was new was me being truthful. Me claiming I was a noob should not decide if I am scum or not.

If he was going to point by point defend himself, why not do it right away? Seems overly defensivve too me since people did not jump on the wagon with DeusX and instead was questioning him at the time.
Later, he posts this:
On July 31 2013 15:00 reps)squishy wrote:
On July 31 2013 14:58 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote:
Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else.

Pfft. 'Scuse me, yeah there is. Coming


I am Hapless Peon (Vanilla Townie) what you claimed to be

To me it seems Alakaslam was saying that there was evidence DeusX was scummy. Even if he misread this as there being evidence that he(reps) was scummy, why would he as a proclaimed newbie claim his role when there was even talk about how very situational it was in the pregame?
All this together seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best.

DeusX:
His aggresion so early might seem scummy, but I think his strategy if he was scum is terrible. Yes as pointed out you can be vocal scum, but not in the way he is doing it. You would need to be much more neutral but still post a lot. Going all out and be the first guy to accuse someone first day, when chances are we will accidentaly lynch a town anyway, just why? No reason at all to do this. The only reason to start a new lynch would be if a mafia was already targeted which wasnt the case.
In conclusion: he might be over-aggresive and his arguments may be weak, but not a mafia read from me so far.

Umasi/alakasam:
A bit hard to make sense of some of their chatter. However, just on the point they are also starting their own lynch and generally being friendly like that in the thread would make me lean town on them. I dont see why mafia would make such a strong connection between themselves for no reason (if one of them turns out mafia the other would be instantly lynched at next opportunity).
Conclusion: Pretty much neutral atm for me.


is much, much, much, much better than this post:

On February 05 2016 08:02 Zyrre wrote:
Went to bed shortly after the start, long day at work, and now back after reading the thread. I'm off work tomorrow so will try to post more before the lynch.

Some reads:

ritoky
leaning scum from bf's reasoning and his defense.

Just saying that posts are bad doesn't seem very productive, and saying he will lynch him quite early no matter if he is town or mafia. Says he wants to teach people by being "informed otherwise or punished for them". So due to his own reasoning he can just inform them and move on, but in this case he wanted to stop reading his posts and lynch him.

Claimed bf was doing nothing else than tunneling him, see below what bf was doing otherwise.

boxerfred
leaning town
Posted his read list of 6 people other than ritoky
Asking koshi to post scumreads rather then townreads
Calls out JAT for doing what he himself was arguing against(saying who was calling who scum, instead of the reasoning behind it)

damdred
slight scumlean
Some activity but only asking what others think and this "I'm awake and caught up I'll post more after coffee but jat pretty sexy today I must admit, bf oozing that town ness." with no real followup

noonian
biggest scum read right now, at the moment would probably vote for him
Saying he will not care about this game even if he lives
Says if he was scum he would be playing like he is doing right now
"There are probably people who have put less effort than even me into this game. You might want to lynch them instead of me. " -- literally zero reads posted


Look at the train of thought in the first post, look at him trying to work out something that happened in the game, and then the followable train of thought when he's talking about other players

This post is really good. marv is almost conf town in my mind.
I read the first few posts of zyrre in the other game and the difference is day and night. The only thing is that the game is 2 and a half years old so it's not fresh meta, but it shows that Zyrre is capable of subtle reads. His garbage list post is even more garbage when we compare it to what he is capable of.


I commented earlier on a possible caveat or two. Does that adjust your expectations?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 19:17 GMT
#1140
On February 06 2016 04:16 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 04:15 disformation wrote:
Shennanies onto no vote?^^ xD

What's wrong with you? Read into Palmar/noonian and drop some reads.


He already did, and he couldn't read Noon for shit prior tbf.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 19:19 GMT
#1141
That said on Zyrre, still looking for a read on Palmar, he has a question pending to Noon. Not sure if Noon answered that though.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 19:21 GMT
#1147
On February 06 2016 02:28 darthfoley wrote:
I need a translator for Chezinu's posts


When you return, I see you are on Zyrre, can you give opinions on Palmar (just do your best with or without marv's arguments seeing as he called you to them???)/Noon?
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