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On February 04 2016 18:59 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 18:55 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 18:44 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote:
I am here, and ready to things I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: On February 04 2016 08:13 darthfoley wrote:
hello all, i am here On February 04 2016 08:16 darthfoley wrote:
roger that Gold leader So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously. When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah. I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet. What I called out was something similar to " fly under the radar", why is it not scum indicative here ? I don't feel he is "pushing anyone too hard" too ? Meta off one game (his first scum game too ?) is kinda irrelevant anyway. Of course it's scum indicative but we have D1. How about letting the thread develop some more ours and then start to look into what darthfoley's doing?
How is that not what I'm doing ? I'm calling out what I see and asking question, not advocating people to vote for him. I only talked more about him because you and ritoky answered my post. I don't understand why you are calling me out on that.
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On February 04 2016 12:34 NocturneMage wrote:
yo....
up a bit late but let's see what I can get out of the first few pages before I crash
page 9/10
Zyrre - says he's town in the opening salve and then apparently bails. Don't know the guy, seems new to the forums. He could have gotten something of the rest of page 9 or at least something behind but didn't. For now a light scum lean. Contrast that with marvellosity who just checked in and I got a "whatever" vibe from him. Mind you it's late for both of them, so IDK.
How did you know Zyrr bailed after page 10 ? How did you know marv bailed after page 10 ?
Darth did the same thing than those two page 9. Why did you not talk about him ?
On February 04 2016 12:34 NocturneMage wrote:
Don't like VayneAuthority's post 238 asking Damdred's methodology. Why can't he just separate the pre-game whatever and judge what Damdred has actually done? Seems a bit forced there.
Why ?
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BF:
On February 04 2016 18:40 boxerfred wrote:
And then, if you pull out a rather big reasoning, why do not go the road down until the end and call disfo out as scum?
(1) You think people that puts"big reasonning" should be calling their targets scum.
On February 04 2016 18:44 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote:
I am here, and ready to things I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: On February 04 2016 08:13 darthfoley wrote:
hello all, i am here On February 04 2016 08:16 darthfoley wrote:
roger that Gold leader So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously. When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah. I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet.
On February 04 2016 18:59 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 18:55 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 18:44 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote:
I am here, and ready to things I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: On February 04 2016 08:13 darthfoley wrote:
hello all, i am here On February 04 2016 08:16 darthfoley wrote:
roger that Gold leader So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously. When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah. I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet. What I called out was something similar to " fly under the radar", why is it not scum indicative here ? I don't feel he is "pushing anyone too hard" too ? Meta off one game (his first scum game too ?) is kinda irrelevant anyway. Of course it's scum indicative but we have D1. How about letting the thread develop some more ours and then start to look into what darthfoley's doing?
(2) I put some reasonning as to why darth could be scum, I'm not even calling him scum mind you; but you still think my read on him is too strong.
Can you explain why you react differently to two situations that seems extremely similar ?
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On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
is it me or does this post not make any sense? he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me ?
This post makes perfect sense to me. Scum tries to play like they would as town, so not everything that scum is writing is scummy.
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On February 04 2016 19:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:45 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
is it me or does this post not make any sense? he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me ? This post makes perfect sense to me. Scum tries to play like they would as town, so not everything that scum is writing is scummy. no Rels Palmar: "bf is going after disfo" marv: "er, no he isn't, he's going after ritoky"
On February 04 2016 19:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
by he I mean ritoky the point is, he broke down every single thing ritoky said and I didn't get the impression any of it was just "meh" If ritoky is mafia because of the post he made it's because one of his reasons or something is bullshit.
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On February 04 2016 22:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 22:12 disformation wrote:On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote:
This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.
I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to I like this post. Paranoia is a good town trait to have imo. In general yes. But not to a point where you don't trust anybody at all because that's not how you win as town. And Palmar who is probably the most experienced player in this game perfectly knows it. This wasn't the first time he townread a mafia, in fact he always says "there is always that one mafia who slips into my townreads" so this should not be shocking to him.
That's true. Palmar, you spent all game lynching scum last game until you died AND you did say that a scum would always slip in your townreads. I have no idea why you feel like "This game is going to be painful"; it doesn't make sense after your amazing reads last game.
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On February 04 2016 22:18 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:24 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote:
This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.
I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to that's silly. we talked about this on irc, multi-family teams are almost designed for mafia to be able to look super good. pun intended Hm yeah, I can see this scenario. However one push doesn't make a tunnel. I have time for Mafia, I even scheduled time windows to be able to fucking play. So I won't limit myself to one case D1, don't worry. Also, if I die N1, your pretty screwed imho, so if this is really town on town, it goes both ways, whoever dies of us. If it's one of us.
I'm pretty you meant to answer this post:
On February 04 2016 20:27 ritoky wrote:
it's alright dude, you can tunnel me all day 1, then when i get shot night 1 you'll realize you're wrong, then day 2 everyone will lynch you because you've been so wrong and talked about literal nothing else in your filter and have no leg to stand on in defense of yourself.
And instead you answered to this post that is just above:
On February 04 2016 20:24 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote:
This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.
I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to that's silly. we talked about this on irc, multi-family teams are almost designed for mafia to be able to look super good. pun intended
I have no idea how you managed to do that.
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On February 04 2016 22:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 22:32 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 20:24 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote:
This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.
I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to that's silly. we talked about this on irc, multi-family teams are almost designed for mafia to be able to look super good. pun intended I have no idea how you managed to do that. do what?
I have no idea how boxerfred managed to respond to your post instead of ritoky's, when I assume he wanted to answer to ritoky.
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On February 04 2016 19:35 nooniansoong wrote:I'm not a bad lynch
Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts.
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On February 04 2016 22:47 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 22:45 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 19:35 nooniansoong wrote:On February 04 2016 19:31 Koshi wrote:
##vote Kush
Best lynch by far. I'm not a bad lynch Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts. Oh wow. Was just about to say that he hasn't posted yet. Seems I missed this one. In my experience kushs/noons thread entries as town are always scummy as hell, but I haven't played with a scum!kush/noon so far. Does anyone know if his thread entries are as wonky as this. ppl who haven't posted yet: Onegu MoosyDoosy
He posted more things than just that post.
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On February 04 2016 22:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 22:45 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 19:35 nooniansoong wrote:On February 04 2016 19:31 Koshi wrote:
##vote Kush
Best lynch by far. I'm not a bad lynch Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts. Kush plays bold as mafia. This post makes him more likely mafia.
OK. Hopefully he will confirm what you've just said.
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To anyone familiar with JAT's play (so marv / Palmar):
One thing I remarked but I've no idea how to interpret is that JAT is talking about Palmar as if Palmar is confirmed scum here:
On February 04 2016 22:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Like if Palmar was actually interested in our alignment he would just let us do our thing instead and proceed from there.
Is this AI one way or another for JAT to do this on leans ?
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yo darth can you answer this:
On February 04 2016 18:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 10:35 darthfoley wrote:On February 04 2016 08:12 Damdred wrote:
I hate this game already.
hi hi, let me throw the weakest/easiest TR ever at you. Likewise, I don't particularly like this "read." The explanation was basically hearsay, so I'm still not a fan "hearsay" ? What did you not like in his explanation ?
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On February 04 2016 23:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 23:05 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 22:58 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 22:51 Palmar wrote:
I would feel a lot better about you defending me koshi if you actually explained what the tell is. I don't really care if you want to use it in the future. no ty plz + Show Spoiler +And for the people really paying attention they could find the reason.
So if we read Palmar's filter and know what to look for, we could find a tell that Palmar is town ?
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On February 04 2016 23:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm awake and caught up I'll post more after coffee but jat pretty sexy today I must admit, bf oozing that town ness.
Rels, don't you think when Darth was under pressure for some of his posts that he responded pretty towny for a newb. And his refusal to let me white knight him at that point showed a decent mind set no?
Agree on both JAT and BF.
I've explained what I didn't like about Darth: him entering the thread, not doing anything, then re-entering the thread when he was called out. That seemed fake to me. Let me see what you're talking about with his posts when being pressured.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 04 2016 11:29 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 10:45 ritoky wrote:
what exactly has koshi done that makes you think he is town? I never said Koshi was was town. I said that his play was NAI right now, because I've seen two different types of town Koshis so far. On February 04 2016 11:53 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 11:42 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 11:29 darthfoley wrote:On February 04 2016 10:45 ritoky wrote:
what exactly has koshi done that makes you think he is town? I never said Koshi was was town. I said that his play was NAI right now, because I've seen two different types of town Koshis so far. you said he has done things similar to last game where he was town, what are those things? regardless of if you hesitate to call him town, you still state that you've seen things that indicate he is town. In the PYP game, he was very jokey and trolled in the beginning. He has come across like that so far. On February 04 2016 12:55 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 12:12 ritoky wrote:
re darth: something about his reads seem off. too much explanation considering lack of content, stronger opinion on some1 like koshi or va than some1 like disfo, random zyrre ping but no credit to disfo or damdred for noticing same thing @Damdred I'm not going to use my experience as a crutch this game, so i'm fine defending my reads @Ritoky I think it's perfectly normal to be more comfortable reading people you've played with before. I only brought up the Zyrre thing because I have been scum read for doing a similar "woohoo, i'm town!" post early. Tbf I was town that game. You tell me that I have too much explanation for lack of content, while also giving disformation a hard time for stating reads without explanation. Hopefully i'll find your happy medium soon 
Meh I'm not convinced this is town indicative. Maybe the refusal to white kniting is, that's a pretty weird for scum to say.
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Damdred:
On February 04 2016 18:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 09:22 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 09:20 Damdred wrote:
Disf I think you did answer my question in a good manner that's in line with your past reasoning.
Which lends me to think of bad reasoning that dis us town.
Anyeay I thinkim just going to ignore jat today and read him during the night. Maybe if I had a hammer I would do it for lolz but not now. no quick read on me, have you given up on it? Good question. Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 09:28 Damdred wrote:On February 04 2016 09:22 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 09:20 Damdred wrote:
Disf I think you did answer my question in a good manner that's in line with your past reasoning.
Which lends me to think of bad reasoning that dis us town.
Anyeay I thinkim just going to ignore jat today and read him during the night. Maybe if I had a hammer I would do it for lolz but not now. no quick read on me, have you given up on it? I have my quick read on you written down. am trying to focus on scummy things like my hero palmar tells me to. So if I understand the first line correctly, you already know what your "ritoky quick read' is but you won't share it ?
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On February 05 2016 00:03 justanothertownie wrote:
So in essence I genuinely believe this explanation is not reasonable.
This is a weird thing to say. How can you "ungenuinely" believe something ?
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On February 05 2016 00:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 00:11 Rels wrote:
I've explained what I didn't like about Darth: him entering the thread, not doing anything, then re-entering the thread when he was called out. That seemed fake to me. seems a little stretchy to me. i don't really see why a townie might not have done the same thing.
I think scum is more likely to do that.
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On February 05 2016 00:15 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 00:14 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 00:03 justanothertownie wrote:
So in essence I genuinely believe this explanation is not reasonable. This is a weird thing to say. How can you "ungenuinely" believe something ? I answered like this because his question was worded this way.
Oh OK (=
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On February 05 2016 00:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
you are really nitpicking rels, it is highly unlikely JAT is scum here.
can whoever is here look at nocturnemage? I cant believe he never posted again zZ
Yep I said the same like 5 posts ago. That won't stop me from calling out illogical things I see.
I'm waiting for NM to answer something that didn't make sense from his PoV unless I'm missing something.
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