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Hi everybody. I'm town, how about you? | ||
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So Onegu, do you feel like we should play this as standard as possible due to the potential hidden craziness of the setup? or should we play a bit more out-there so that plays will be revealing if weird stuff happens? | ||
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I also want you to know I'm not lying about this, so... ##Give Potato to Onegu | ||
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On January 31 2016 08:35 Vivax wrote: How do you know this? Is this an effect of your role? Shame on you Vivax. Asking a non-claimed town for details about their role is like asking a lady her age. Obviously the info comes from PM since I said that Onegu would be able to know if I was lying about the mechanic after I passed him the Potato. | ||
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On January 31 2016 09:52 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI! I'm town Do you guys like salty, crunchy, sexy sexy HAMBURGERS? I LOVE HAMBURGERS! ##Take HAMBURGERS (worth a shot) On January 31 2016 10:02 GlowingBear wrote: This doesn't make sense. Why did you give the potato to Onegu? Really? The potato deals 1kp to whoever is holding it at EoD. Onegu was the only person I could give it to. Why wouldn't I? Scummy points to you for casting suspicion on something completely and obvoiusly NAI. | ||
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On January 31 2016 11:00 VayneAuthority wrote: im not 3rd party, I am a traitor type role as of now but i can be made town. I might need to die by potato or get shot tonight pretty ambiguous Ok... so you aren't likely village idiot, you wouldn't be arguing to be offed with powers instead of lynch if you were. You say you are not 3p. Traitor-type role Mafiawiki seems to be anti-town, wins with the scum team. If you were actually scum aligned, why would you admit it? Why would you advocate against your win condition? Whatever the full details of your role, I have to assume that you have a win condition that your claim is working towards. I'm just not sure what that is. If you are scum, you wouldn't claim a traitor type role. If you are town, you wouldn't want town to waste an ability on you. And you claim you aren't 3p. So basically, until you explain things in better detail, I wouldn't be inclined to give you anything you seem to want. | ||
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On January 31 2016 11:07 GlowingBear wrote: It's not. It's basically a kp you can deal to someone by giving away the potato at the very last second of the day. And you have this kp to Onegu to deal without having a read on him Review the mechanic. The handing off of the potato cannot be forced. The person receiving the potato must type ##Take Potato. Even if you want to hand it off at the last second, if nobody wants to take it, you are out of luck. Think about it. Excepting weird roles, anyone would hand off the potato given the chance. | ||
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Sorry for the triple post, bit flustered. | ||
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I didn't realize it until now, but we have an interesting pairing of claims: Vayne- Mafia aligned- wants to change to town- asking for kp abilities. Koshi- Town aligned- wants to change to mafia- asking for lynch. | ||
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##take: switcheroo | ||
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##Vote: Vayne | ||
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On February 01 2016 11:27 Koshi wrote: You could have rewinded time and brought back a townie to life. I could have done lots of things. I had hoped to confirm 2 townies through a role swap, or at least confirm one townie and 1 scum (meaning I would die), all without wasting a lynch cycle for the town. | ||
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On February 01 2016 23:27 GlowingBear wrote: Reasons I think DYH is Mafia: 1) because he gave the potato to Onegu without thinking about it. He potentially had an item he could use on EoD to deal a kp on who he thought was Mafia, but his first reaction was to give the time away to the first person he saw in the thread. 2) if VA go the potato then DYH lied about the potato mechanic because VA never posted "grab potato" in the thread. So DYH lied about how he dealt with the potato because he was afraid to get flak for the way he handled the item. 3) he went back in time to get the switcher oo when he thought it changed roles. He could do it for two reasons: A) because his role sucks (and it doesn't - his role is actually very good and he could get back in time to more important things for town) B) becase he is Mafia and if he changes role with a town he insta wins the game because he knows every single Mafia in the game. 4) He called VA Mafia for lying when his lie didn't have a clear Mafia motivation behind it. I can see no other reason to go back in time to grab an item that supposedly switches roles 1) You clearly aren't even trying to understand how the potato works. Onegu confirmed my description was accurate. It also doesn't matter what my read on Onegu at the time was. I know my role 100%, getting the KP off me and onto someone who has a chance of being mafia is always the right play. (Side note, this is true if I am mafia as well, which is why I told you it is truly NAI. The only conclusion you can make based off me handing the potato to Onegu is that it is very unlikely that we are a scumteam.) 2) Blatantly false. Post #89 On January 31 2016 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote: ##take potato 3) You came up with two terrible reasons, and they are hardly the only option. Thing you should know: I could not use my ability to save myself. Meaning the votes on me incentivize me to use it before the lynch. Not to mention risking getting shot tonight. Scenario A: My role is awesome, and while my use of it was not the ideal scenario of bring back a townie killed by mafia, my plan in using my power was also pretty awesome. I was going to, at minimum, confirm two townies or confirm one townie and give a guaranteed scum lynch for day1 by using the swaperoo. Scenario B: Your assumption is that me, as Mafia, would play against my own wincon. That the hosts would allow me the option to ruin the game like that. Why do I even have to explain how horrible this is? 4) VA has admitted to lying constantly. VA has admitted to being mafia. I have already outlined why we cannot trust anything coming from VA, and then I PROVED that he couldn't be trusted by exposing a direct lie. WHY IS THIS HARD FOR YOU? | ||
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On February 02 2016 07:28 Onegu wrote: I wouldnt mind getting rid of boxer or zyrre as they arent doing anything for us to get a read on at all... I'm happy to hear you say boxer. Scumleaned him early and haven't seen a reason to change that opinion. Zyrre is confirmed town already and has been removed from the game. | ||
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On February 01 2016 04:39 DoYouHas wrote: @ Vivax, you don't find BF's reasoning to jumping on me suspicious? What exactly was I derailing? Seemed like an invented reason to me. Essentially, it felt to me like he entered the thread inventing a BS reason to scum me. Hasn't done anything after that to make him town. | ||
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On February 03 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda want DHY to answer me on the following things:
I would appreciate detailed answers DYH, thanks. 1. I could maybe have brought Zyrre back, but I couldn't have changed that his wincon was completed, so he would have just been removed again. 2. I was 100% sure that VA was anti-town and I was scumming bf. I got my way on two deaths. Being wrong on both was very confusing. | ||
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On February 04 2016 05:02 Vivax wrote: GB got apparently modconfirmed town by DYH's cookie and rayn is here cause of my role which brings a player into the game. And we're masoned btw It wasn't my cookie, my attempt to grab it failed, it was GB's cookie. I don't know if this matters. | ||
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I'm leaning towards believing you both. | ||
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On February 04 2016 23:51 GlowingBear wrote: Where's DYH? Work, waiting on someone to help me out. I'm actually not sold on Koshi lynch. I will try explain when I get home in 4 hours. | ||
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In a heavily themed game where there are likely investigative and kp town roles Koshi has put himself repeatedly in the crosshairs from the start of the game. Claiming you are town that wants to be mafia/open to being converted automatically puts you on peoples radar. Suggesting that he should be lynched, that a lynch would help him, and that he wouldn't mind hanging on to the potato for a while. Almost all of his play this game puts him in the spotlight when there was no need to. It seems to me that for Koshi to be mafia he would need to have committed to a pretty big lie right from the start instead of building up lies around half truths like everyone else does. He also has to be comfortable with having a target on his back. Side possiblity: He is some sort of delayed bomber role that needs to wait to blow people up to win. | ||
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Vivax's role doesn't visit anybody My role doesn't visit anybody GB's role probably has something to do with the Hamburgers thing, doesn't appear to visit people. Onegu's role tracks people Koshi's role ??? So what is the value in the tracking aspect of Onegu's role? | ||
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On February 05 2016 07:19 Koshi wrote: Guess I'll claim cuz I am playing doto and I wont be around. I am a busdriver. I swapped myself and DoYouHas N1 and taunted him a bit to shoot me. So I got to rewind time, Vivax got to pull in a mason from outside the game, Onegu is a tracker/cop combo, GB loves hamburgers, and you are just a busdriver? Kinda shafted imo. | ||
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This response to misrepresenting his role makes me trust the claim more. | ||
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If we weren't in potential LYLO I would say yes, for sure. Since we are I would say NAI | ||
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On February 05 2016 07:47 GlowingBear wrote: Unless it is to reanimate a townie that may have died night1 Again, I'm not saying that my usage was the ideal. I'm saying that what I actually did does not make sense coming from scum or 3p. | ||
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On February 05 2016 07:53 GlowingBear wrote: Tell me if this doesn't sound awesome: You, as Mafia, change alignment with a town. Now you're town and the townie is Mafia. And you know who is Mafia. BAM. Insta win. It would require scum!me to play against my own wincondition. I've explained this before. | ||
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On February 05 2016 07:57 GlowingBear wrote: Well, if you change alignments your wincondition changes as well It DOESN'T MATTER, holy crap. The only thing that matters is what your wincon is when you start the action. If I was scum then my wincon would be to make mafia win. Swapping with a townie does not make mafia win, and therefore is against my wincon. | ||
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On February 05 2016 07:59 GlowingBear wrote: And now you're voting confirmed town Rofl you're mafia. You are not nearly as confirmed as rayn seems to think. You were revealed by a cookie, the rules of which we do not know. You were not directly modconfirmed. | ||
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On February 05 2016 08:07 GlowingBear wrote: This game surely can't have conversion mechanics then I'm saying that a self-initiated conversion mechanic from scum to town does not make sense. | ||
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Not sure if you are mafia, but you were pissing me off and you are not confirmed town. | ||
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If vivax/rayn are still alive and we are at 5 people. Lynch vivax to confirm rayn and ensure there is no scum team. If vivax/rayn are still alive and we are at 4 people they are confirmed town. If either vivax/rayn die tonight it confirms the other, and the choice comes down to Onegu/GB. | ||
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Rayn, what was the apocalypse action you "used" on Onegu? You may be comfortable with me dying today, but I won't go quietly into that good night. To the end I'm going to be pro-town. 40 hours of nothing will not be my legacy as you go into N3. | ||
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On February 07 2016 01:05 GlowingBear wrote: Onegu let me ask you something: How can you put your smell on me if I roleblocked anyone who visited me n1? I am interested in an answer to this as well. | ||
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@Onegu, why aren't you following rayn's plan? @Vivax, make me mayor and I will win this game for town. | ||
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##Shoot: GlowingBear | ||
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On February 07 2016 02:52 Onegu wrote: What? At the start of the day I got a gun with the message from the fortune cookie "Conquer your fears or they will conquer you". | ||
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(3 people left, why is this game not over?) | ||
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I'm also left with a wacky thought. If GB was "Lag", and Ace was "frozen" and "presumed dead". Perhaps Ace is not Dead with a capital D. | ||
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I happen to believe you are town, Vivax. But it was worth the shot on the chance that I was wrong to see if I could get you to concede. You are wrong about me, but you are presenting what I would expect from a tunneling townie and your power and use thereof is more likely to be town. I also think Onegu is town, which leaves me with a pretty clear route if elected mayor. I am going to try and hammer Ace. IF he is an invalid target, I will probably go for Vivax, but I'm not 100% on this. | ||
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On February 08 2016 07:10 Vivax wrote: But sonic won the game, why should ace be still alive. Hmmmm, this is a good point. | ||
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##Cross: Fingers | ||
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On February 08 2016 08:08 Fecalfeast wrote: like I didn't even see that vivax opened his cookie Fecalfeast: bastardizer of games What was the cookie supposed to do? | ||
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On February 08 2016 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: tbh when you have a game where people claim roles like busdriver, role that can basically revive a player, a role that brings someone out of the game into the game -- when someone claims "i might be able to cop someone on N3" they are always mafia. I was quite mad at DYH & Vivax for not voting for Onegu.... Then i remembered this game was ~16 pages with absolutely nothing in the thread so i stopped caring.  You underestimated that Onegu and I had bonded over the heat of a potato. | ||
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