New Smurf Mini Mafia

On February 10 2016 08:41 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


You are thinking I'm scum? Why's that?

On February 10 2016 10:57 keanuisgod wrote:
Okay, the bubblegum is gone (srs), so let's get to it!



I can see trying to out smurfs as a "Palmar-like" plan. After all, meta analysis is a (useful) tool town uses pretty often, and to do that you need to know who you are talking to. For example, if you can figure out an inactive lurker is actually a vet, you'd likely change your stance on him, comparing to you not knowing who he is.
These kind of plans aren't usually "scummy" nor "townie" (though there are some exceptions); they just are, specially in games with special characteristics that allow these kind of plans to emerge (like themed games)

Though I guess it kind of fights against the fun of this kind of game (i.e nobody knowing each other at all throughout all game, allowing shenanigans to happen).

Anyways, this seems like usual D1 shitfest OMGUSing, which is pretty neutral shit (i.e not scummy nor townie).

On February 10 2016 11:36 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


Was there a reason for you saying hi and posting an emoticon?
No?
Then why do you assume there was a reason for me smurf hunting?

Why don't you tell me. Is there any reason for smurf hunting very early game that isn't padding my filter?

On February 10 2016 12:39 Bhaal LoM wrote:
Mortals it not a good idea to smurf hunt. It just waste people's time.

On February 10 2016 19:47 unholyflare wrote:

I don't understand how you or anyone can believe this. If, somehow, we know the identities of all/most of the people in the game, it would be easier to scumhunt. I think you're pretty suspicious for this as it suggests you have something to hide.

Wartrukk

For some people we can be close to 100% sure of their identity. For instance, I am close to 100% sure that keanuisgod is shapelog.
Even if you disagree, wouldn't the obvious identity of a smurf be helpful for some rough but effective metaing? ie if keanu aka shapelog has a huge filter, that doesn't necessarily point to him being town.


I didn't realize you were actually tunneled on me for smurf hunting. Exactly how sure were you that I was scum?

On February 11 2016 03:54 saitamaofonepunch wrote:




this is not an Omgus, but in skimming it can look like it.

Under careful reading, I like it- this is an excellent point.

IF wartrukk had voted you.

Nonetheless the point remains good.

On February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote:


another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering.

also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding.

On February 12 2016 10:03 keanuisgod wrote:






It's really nice to come back to activity 1-2 hours before the lynch and shout how the "wagon looks like trash" isn't it?
It's also really nice to vote right at the last moment to someone who is OBVIOUSLY not getting lynched and making no effort to try to get him lynched

It also isn't suspicious at all to vote someone completely unrelated to the lynch and wait until the last second (when you KNOW your vote doesn't count and thus you can't be held accountable for anything) by just saying "I have real reasons but am still busy"


Anyways, we know Bhaal is town now, so please explain your read on him. These are your only posts about him







Why exactly was he in your "leanscum" pile? What does the "lying LS" thing have to do with anything? Did you even pay attention to my case on him and the later change of heart of many people in the thread about him?

On February 12 2016 15:10 keanuisgod wrote:


... how can it be OMGUS if you never accused me of anything ...

On February 13 2016 06:41 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


did youread what i wrote even... my entire case is pretty much assuming he's nocturnemage.

On February 13 2016 08:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
implicates wartrukk

On February 13 2016 09:20 keanuisgod wrote:
Well, he hasn't put his vote on Valdi after straight up calling him scum so I think we know where this is going

On February 12 2016 10:03 keanuisgod wrote:






It's really nice to come back to activity 1-2 hours before the lynch and shout how the "wagon looks like trash" isn't it?
It's also really nice to vote right at the last moment to someone who is OBVIOUSLY not getting lynched and making no effort to try to get him lynched

It also isn't suspicious at all to vote someone completely unrelated to the lynch and wait until the last second (when you KNOW your vote doesn't count and thus you can't be held accountable for anything) by just saying "I have real reasons but am still busy"


Anyways, we know Bhaal is town now, so please explain your read on him. These are your only posts about him







Why exactly was he in your "leanscum" pile? What does the "lying LS" thing have to do with anything? Did you even pay attention to my case on him and the later change of heart of many people in the thread about him?

On February 13 2016 11:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I think garg is more likely the second scum.

On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote:
the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads..

valdiano is hts and town imo.

On February 13 2016 23:10 GargamelxD wrote:




incompatibility detected

On February 14 2016 00:22 GargamelxD wrote:
Wartrukk also didnt comment on any of the reasons for why people went for the rom lynch.

why are you failing to notice this nnn? theres the feeling you are biased towards wartrukk

Regarding robik, he just came into the game so it'd be hard to gauge alignment just on a couple of posts. However, I'm getting strong suspicions on him being scum.
His demeanor sticks out in a weird manner, since he JUST came into the game and is acting like he solved everything and he caught the scumteam and has NO doubts whatsoever about anything .... when it's MYLO. I'd presume he'd be MORE confused than us in this game since he missed D1 and a lot of stuff, not that he'd be more confident than ANY of us. Also, if I assume he's town the way he made his reads feels weird. Like, Garga and Warty seem "likely town so I'll leave them alone" (which to be honest is somewhat what I did with the "Standby" pile up there). So from his POV the ONLY thing left is accuse me of being scum (assuming NNN is town and scum have no way of believably go against him). His case is bad, the way he approached his read on me is weird too. It feels like the only reason he's FOSing me is because of PoE, not because he thinks I'm scum in an independent manner.
From my POV, if Garga and Warty are still in that Standby(me)/Likely town(robik) pile, then it doesn't make sense for robik to go after me with such conviction instead of taking a step back and figure out if his actual (admitted by him as not strong) reads on Garga and Warty. This makes perfect sense if he's scum and found some "scummy" posts of mine to scapegoat while not wanting to go against the flow and accuse someone of Garga/Warty. If he's scum with Valdi then Gargy/Warty/me(obs) are all town so he HAS to pick one to scapegoat, and apparently I have the scummiest posts. He could also be scum with one of Gargy/Warty so in that case he'd obviously have some agenda (not to push his buddy for instance).
Also I had my (very small) suspicions of unholy back on D1 (which I think I already posted), so it doesn't feel out of place for robik to be scum (considering unholy).

On February 13 2016 09:14 Iwasrobik wrote:

I had a townread on him for some reason reading the thread. Let's see why.

I first had a scumread for this post.

Oh yeah, he was one of the first to take a firm stance for the lynch. Town points.

Not scumreading me when I was an easy ML.
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Having strong opinions in his few posts.

Not confirmed town but likely IMO.

On February 15 2016 07:36 keanuisgod wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?user=Wartrukk

You were very active and "cared" about the thread and read it in the first 12 hours of the game or so.
Ever since late-D1 you've been "I don't give a shit about the thread" and "I am not reading the thread".

If you are town, this surely has an explanation right? You don't go from being active and engaging with the thread to becoming whatever the heck you've become so far.

On February 15 2016 07:41 keanuisgod wrote:


Why don't you care about the game? Work just means less time, but well, even Valdi managed to post some walls of text with stuff and we all know how much "time" apparently he has (i.e NONE)

On February 15 2016 07:42 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Chill Keanu lol

On February 15 2016 07:44 keanuisgod wrote:
Right now the only 2 realistic lynches are Valdiano (if Warty swaps) or Warty (if me/robik/NNN, who seem active in the thread, swap).

To be honest I'm somewhat considering a Warty lynch right now, though it may be a little too late.
Warty just doesn't give a fuck about the game too much. He's too up-front with it. Would a townie act like this? Response to everything with "I don't want to read the thread" but still randomly appear right before the deadline?
If he cares enough to show up now, why not care enough to read filters that are 2 pages long (seriously, this game is VERY SMALL) and try to do some meaningful shit?

On February 15 2016 07:51 keanuisgod wrote:
What do you think Valdi will flip right now?

Tell us ALL your thoughts about Valdi, before he flips and this will be invalid

On February 15 2016 07:55 Iwasrobik wrote:

Don't remember doing this already ?

On February 15 2016 14:21 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Something I don't get about warty:

He lists there being very few posts as something that leads to him not caring about the game. But for someone who can't be arsed, aren't small filters much better than long filters?

On February 15 2016 07:38 Wartrukk wrote:

Right, first 12 hours I was here at deadline and having a fun time. Next morning I'm swamped with work and can only manage a few phone posts except the couple hopurs I was on the PC.

What am I going to do when I have very little downtime? a) read filters or b)play videogames.


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On February 16 2016 07:24 Iwasrobik wrote:

Why did you say "I'll buy that. Valdiano kinda won me over when he was posting because it was content for me to read." if you didn't read his filter ?

On February 16 2016 07:34 Iwasrobik wrote:
So you posted "I will read valdiano's filter since he's getting a lot of flak".
Then you DIDNT READ his filter and waited 11 minutes doing NOTHING.
Then you posted "I'll buy that. Valdiano kinda won me over when he was posting because it was content for me to read."
?????????????????????

On February 16 2016 07:35 Iwasrobik wrote:
Liar. Scum.

On February 16 2016 07:35 Iwasrobik wrote:
It doesn't make sense EVER and you're only posting this because you affirmed earlier you didn't read his filter:

On February 16 2016 07:37 Iwasrobik wrote:

This does not make sense. It CANNOT happen. There is NO explanation I can imagine for why you would go "I'll read Vlad's filter", NOT doing it, then go "OK I agree with the case Vlad can be scum".

On February 16 2016 07:38 Iwasrobik wrote:

I was waiting for "Oh this post right there was a mistake I actually read his filter but forgot" if you were town.

On February 16 2016 07:40 Iwasrobik wrote:

Doesn't explain why you go from "I'll read his filter" to "I'll buy the case" if you did NOTHING in between but play video games.

On February 16 2016 07:41 Iwasrobik wrote:

Yep but that would be believable. Your version is "I changed my read when I did nothing that would warrant changing it", which doesn't make sense unless you don't care about your read.

On February 16 2016 07:42 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@wartrukk.
usually people complain when filters are too long. It takes a lot of time to read them.
You are saying you are having trouble caring because filters are too short.
Don't short filters make the game easier to follow than long filters?

On February 16 2016 07:48 Iwasrobik wrote:
Meh you're scum. I owe the game a reread though, didn't have time so I will have to do that before doing anything tomorrow, assuming I don't die. Will wait for night result then sleep.

On February 16 2016 07:53 Iwasrobik wrote:

fuck you I created the thread sentiment you motherfucker

On January 27 2016 06:46 Onegu wrote:
This is a open set up.

The set up is as follows.

Doctor may save himself but may not target the same person on consecutive nights.

1 Doctor, 6 Vanilla town, 1 Mafia Rolecop, 1 Mafia Goon

On February 17 2016 08:30 Iwasrobik wrote:
Garga is the last scum and here is why.

The main reason: Vlad's interactions

Here is the ONLY mention of Garga in Vald's filter:

Once, he's mentioned because it's a post about lurkers; and it's a slight townlean without explanations, which is partner indicative.

In comparaison, here is how Vlad' interactions with Kaenu makes Kaenu likely town:
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And Wartruk:
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And Saitama:
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Even unholyflare got a small reason for his read:
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Vlad's interactions with others makes Wartruk and Kaenu very unlikely partners, and Garga a likely partner.

The secondary reasons

1. The activity and lack of excuse for AFK
Garga's activity is indicative of scum; no posts during long stretches of time where scum has no interest posting.
He has 1 post N1 and 2 posts N2, and nights are periods where scum doesn't feel the need to post.

Furthermore, these AFK periods are not explained. This is scum indicative, as townie are waaaaay more likely to explain WHY they weren't there for some time than scum, like Wartruk did for example. Again, that seems dumb but it is true. It was true for Vlad, it is true for Garga.

Lastly, he seems to have given up right now, which is a scum indicator, especially right after a scum lynch.

2. No interest in the lynch
Garga and Vlad were the two players not posting the hour before deadline on both D1 and D2. Gold did it too but he clearly gave up the game, and probably would have been replaced if not lynched. If Wartruk was not around the D2 deadline, we would not even have been able to lynch Vlad.

3. His read on Vlad


That's it. No comment on any of the two cases made on him.

So who is the last scum ?
Garga

On February 14 2016 00:13 GargamelxD wrote:


he also said the rom wagon looked like shit, was that after his flip`?

On February 13 2016 23:10 GargamelxD wrote:




incompatibility detected

On February 18 2016 03:45 GargamelxD wrote:


yours is already pretty deep too so enjoy the 50 percent chance of winning when the night is over

On February 18 2016 07:49 Iwasrobik wrote:

TT

On February 19 2016 08:08 Iwasrobik wrote:

Lol so you shot kaenu, if you shot me you would have conceded

On February 19 2016 08:20 keanuisgod wrote:
If you got them out, I'd find that suspicious. I am the only one on town's side who can take out bullets, and I don't remember taking out yours.
This either means you are scum, and one of your scumbuddies has first-aid training, or you drugged me some night and forced me to operate on you without my knowledge.

Did you roofie me?

On February 19 2016 08:46 keanuisgod wrote:


I actually used "random.org" to choose between the 3 of us at the same time with equal probability. Had no clue who was scum or not, so there would have been a 33% I'd have targetted you

On February 21 2016 07:50 keanuisgod wrote:


I have banana jelly in my fridge.
How would banana jelly with banana bread taste like? And if you sandwich a real banana in between?

On February 21 2016 08:02 Iwasrobik wrote:
We can tlak right ? Game is over one way or another anyway now theoretically