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On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote:
the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads..
valdiano is hts and town imo.
I think I implicated suspicion on Wartuk on N1 far better than saitama. If the point of the NK was because of reads on a scum Warty, why not shoot me?
Saitama's posts about Warty on N1:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 12 2016 10:20 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
Wartrukk is scum. Lynch tomorrow. On February 12 2016 13:47 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
My PoE says wartrukk and then garg.
Barring that I'd have to say I am wrong and that's why I am so hesitant to give reads. On February 12 2016 15:26 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
Your thinking I scumread you for omgus is like your having thought that with nnn
Compare to what I posted about him on N1:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 12 2016 10:03 keanuisgod wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie Show nested quote +On February 12 2016 07:53 Wartrukk wrote:
Deadline is now, isn't it? I'm voting saitama i have real reasons but am still busy. It's really nice to come back to activity 1-2 hours before the lynch and shout how the "wagon looks like trash" isn't it? It's also really nice to vote right at the last moment to someone who is OBVIOUSLY not getting lynched and making no effort to try to get him lynched It also isn't suspicious at all to vote someone completely unrelated to the lynch and wait until the last second (when you KNOW your vote doesn't count and thus you can't be held accountable for anything) by just saying "I have real reasons but am still busy" Anyways, we know Bhaal is town now, so please explain your read on him. These are your only posts about him Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:
Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile. Show nested quote +On February 12 2016 06:20 Wartrukk wrote:
Why did halo lamb get a free pass?
Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt Show nested quote +On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie Why exactly was he in your "leanscum" pile? What does the "lying LS" thing have to do with anything? Did you even pay attention to my case on him and the later change of heart of many people in the thread about him?
Saitama said "Warty is scum based on PoE, but I may be wrong so I'm hesitant to give out reads".
You think that is enough to implicate Warty?
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This goes to Wartuk and Gargamel:
What is your thought process regarding who the remaining scumteam is, and who we should lynch today? You two haven't made much comment on that so far, other than with soft stuff like "The NK implicates Warty" and stuff.
Here's mine:
So Garga+Warty+robik+Valdi are in my PoE list. Last night I thought Warty+robik would be a possible team, but NNN's insistence otherwise gave me some doubts. I reread Warty and I still think his "bad D1 smurhunting shenanigans" felt more likely coming from town. His "I'm tired" kind of posts felt somewhat genuine too. Garga is null and I don't really find scummy vibes from him so Garga+Warty are in the "Standby" pile.
NNN seemed (at least in N1) convinced robik+Valdi was the team, so based on the above this wouldn't seem like a bad team for me to focus on.
Regarding Valdi he "makes sense" as the remaining scum if I picture it in terms of PoE (him being low-key so far, not contributing much, bla bla). In terms of suspicion alone though, I am not very confident in him being scum (like I mentioned above) so he's in the "Meeeeeeh" pile.
Regarding robik, he just came into the game so it'd be hard to gauge alignment just on a couple of posts. However, I'm getting strong suspicions on him being scum.
His demeanor sticks out in a weird manner, since he JUST came into the game and is acting like he solved everything and he caught the scumteam and has NO doubts whatsoever about anything .... when it's MYLO. I'd presume he'd be MORE confused than us in this game since he missed D1 and a lot of stuff, not that he'd be more confident than ANY of us. Also, if I assume he's town the way he made his reads feels weird. Like, Garga and Warty seem "likely town so I'll leave them alone" (which to be honest is somewhat what I did with the "Standby" pile up there). So from his POV the ONLY thing left is accuse me of being scum (assuming NNN is town and scum have no way of believably go against him). His case is bad, the way he approached his read on me is weird too. It feels like the only reason he's FOSing me is because of PoE, not because he thinks I'm scum in an independent manner.
From my POV, if Garga and Warty are still in that Standby(me)/Likely town(robik) pile, then it doesn't make sense for robik to go after me with such conviction instead of taking a step back and figure out if his actual (admitted by him as not strong) reads on Garga and Warty. This makes perfect sense if he's scum and found some "scummy" posts of mine to scapegoat while not wanting to go against the flow and accuse someone of Garga/Warty. If he's scum with Valdi then Gargy/Warty/me(obs) are all town so he HAS to pick one to scapegoat, and apparently I have the scummiest posts. He could also be scum with one of Gargy/Warty so in that case he'd obviously have some agenda (not to push his buddy for instance).
Also I had my (very small) suspicions of unholy back on D1 (which I think I already posted), so it doesn't feel out of place for robik to be scum (considering unholy).
So all in all, I'm getting more confident in a robik lynch, with Valdi being "Meeeeh" there, and then Gargy and Warty on the Standby pile. I want Valdi to come here and see where this shtick goes to see if he should be today's lynch, or if it's in Gargy or Warty (depending on what happens). But if nothing of the sort happens I'd be more confident in lynching robik instead.
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The attack is on the idea that the NK was made because of saita's reads, and not because of the medic dodge (as many concluded). Warty can still be scum and saita's NK only be because of medic dodge (in fact, if Valdi is scum as many think he'd just make himself look worse since the dude he spent 100% of the time focusing on in a weird manner flipped town).
If you believe saita was NKed just because of his reads on Warty, then it stands to reason that they could have shot me instead too (if that was the sole reason).
which would have seemed like a more townie way of approaching this.
I'm getting that a lot in this game >_>
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Fuck it I'm bored (why does nothing happen in this game?)
##Vote: Iwasrobik
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These are robik's thoughts on Garga and Warty:
On February 13 2016 09:14 Iwasrobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2016 09:06 Wartrukk wrote:
So on first read I hate gargamel and want him to be died. He quite obviously cares less about this game than I do and that's just fucked I had a townread on him for some reason reading the thread. Let's see why. Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 12:26 GargamelxD wrote:
cant really take any posts seriously so far, no analysis possible becouse it still seems like standard banter I first had a scumread for this post. Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote:
he could be SL maybe, either that or ls
either way i think goldrom is VA and i want to kill him with fire
##Vote 77Goldrom Oh yeah, he was one of the first to take a firm stance for the lynch. Town points. Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 21:45 GargamelxD wrote:
i dont see any issues with unholy as he just postponed his actual play which i also did, and his entrance wasnt as awkward as roms. he actually took interest into what was happening and gave a bit of his opinion on smurf hunting.
in rom you have a guy who apologizes for being late, claims his role, asks about the latest news and in the next post acts like he doesnt care. Not scumreading me when I was an easy ML. + Having strong opinions in his few posts. Not confirmed town but likely IMO.
Weak town read on Garga
On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote:
Wartruk is (probably) town 'cause of his attack on kush very early, when kush is the main force behind discussion blablabla, and thus a pretty bad target to attack for scum. And his posts EOD1 are way too obviously bad for scums to make I think, I'm wary of that one but that's what I think.
Weak town read on Warty
On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote:
I think I have everyone ? The two scums, I explained why gargamed was maybe town above. Pretty sure kaenu and Valdia are the 2 scums.
We are in MYLO yet he's "pretty sure" he found the whole scumteam, when he still has (admited by him) weak town reads on Garga and Warty.
Dunno about you, but if I have 2 dudes just with slight town reads (hell, it may even reflect my own reads on Garga and Warty so far), I am not going to wager MYLO on fixating my scum reads on the remaining 2 people and call it a day.
The most important thing I'd be doing is dispelling or confirming those "weak" town reads on Garga and Warty. However, this doesn't seem to be on robik's mind since he hasn't addressed Garga nor Warty to figure out their alignment once in this game so far.
This is the most sketchy thing for me, specially when his case against me is so bad I can't believe he's that convinced by it.
His posts so far scream "hidden agenda" to me, not a townie trying to figure the game out so town can salvage something out of these 2-consecutive MYLOs we are going to have.
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I made my thoughts on unholy clear before too:
On February 12 2016 06:22 keanuisgod wrote:I understand that Gold made some "shittier" posts than unholy, but if it were left up to me it'd be a 50/50 coin toss between them for today's lynch. I don't think I can judge someone's alignment based on 2/3 small posts in the "Joking phase" (this goes for both players). In fact, Gold's inactivity seems consistent with his "I don't give a shit" character, while it seems stranger unholy would go AFK when he got into the game with guns blazing, making it seem he was interested in the game (or appeared to be so): Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 19:47 unholyflare wrote:On February 10 2016 10:40 Wartrukk wrote:
So saying you're going to out smurfs, I say I think that's scummy (I still do) and after you go about trying to out smurfs you come back to my post and say "Joke phase lol"
Yeah, I'm the one fabricating reads, right? I don't understand how you or anyone can believe this. If, somehow, we know the identities of all/most of the people in the game, it would be easier to scumhunt. I think you're pretty suspicious for this as it suggests you have something to hide.
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robik, what do you think of people's thoughts on my alignment after the Bhaal case?
NNN thought it was sincere and I was town (at that point at least, dunno what he thinks now). You think NNN is "obvious town", so what did he get wrong?
saita did indeed react like you initially, but he changed his mind. He's confirmed town. What do you disagree with said change of heart of saitama?
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On February 14 2016 05:34 GargamelxD wrote:
im not sure yet about the other one but im pretty confident warty is mafia.
On February 14 2016 05:34 GargamelxD wrote:
##Vote wartrukk
..... ????
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Care to disclose the reasons you are "pretty confident" Warty is scum?
(Do I even have to say this?)
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lol this is some soap opera shit
^ I'm here
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Can any of you two lovestruck smurfies talk about robik?
Is he townie? Is he scum? Am I just senselessly OMGUSing him?
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On February 14 2016 07:51 Wartrukk wrote:Show nested quote +Regarding robik, he just came into the game so it'd be hard to gauge alignment just on a couple of posts. However, I'm getting strong suspicions on him being scum.
His demeanor sticks out in a weird manner, since he JUST came into the game and is acting like he solved everything and he caught the scumteam and has NO doubts whatsoever about anything .... when it's MYLO. I'd presume he'd be MORE confused than us in this game since he missed D1 and a lot of stuff, not that he'd be more confident than ANY of us. Also, if I assume he's town the way he made his reads feels weird. Like, Garga and Warty seem "likely town so I'll leave them alone" (which to be honest is somewhat what I did with the "Standby" pile up there). So from his POV the ONLY thing left is accuse me of being scum (assuming NNN is town and scum have no way of believably go against him). His case is bad, the way he approached his read on me is weird too. It feels like the only reason he's FOSing me is because of PoE, not because he thinks I'm scum in an independent manner.
From my POV, if Garga and Warty are still in that Standby(me)/Likely town(robik) pile, then it doesn't make sense for robik to go after me with such conviction instead of taking a step back and figure out if his actual (admitted by him as not strong) reads on Garga and Warty. This makes perfect sense if he's scum and found some "scummy" posts of mine to scapegoat while not wanting to go against the flow and accuse someone of Garga/Warty. If he's scum with Valdi then Gargy/Warty/me(obs) are all town so he HAS to pick one to scapegoat, and apparently I have the scummiest posts. He could also be scum with one of Gargy/Warty so in that case he'd obviously have some agenda (not to push his buddy for instance).
Also I had my (very small) suspicions of unholy back on D1 (which I think I already posted), so it doesn't feel out of place for robik to be scum (considering unholy). I did notice he gave me my well deserved townread when nobody else did, but it's weird that you say he could be with valdi but that would imply you are the scummiest of the reest of the townies. This is incorrect, going for the low hanging fruit is often called out on TL from what I see. Yeah, fuck, I'll read robik's filter brb
Are you saying I am NOT the scummiest of the rest of the townies, or that I AM the scummiest of the rest of the townies? 
Don't follow, who is the "low-hanging-fruit" here?
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Ok.
My "narrative" regarding robik is this:
I'm thinking that robik (and scumteam by association) think the medic is between Gargy/Warty (whoever is townie between thme or both), so he HAS to go after me and leave those two be to be safe. I mean, you can't prop up the medic as your D3 mislynch since once he claims your plans are fucked.
So he HAS to make a shitty case on me and push me as "obvious scum" for it to work, i.e it's less risky for scum.
Valdi can be scumbuddy under the bus or just townie robik is latching on for D2 misslynch
But well, obviously this is a narrative that only works assuming he's scum
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Am I missing something with Valdi?
NNN's scumread on him apparently is only based on him being NocturneMage
Garga's townread on him apparently is only based on him being HalfTheSky
What's there left for us that don't believe in smurfhunting (or don't understand the meta reads based on the above players)? Only robik's case so far.
Anything else?
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You here NNN? Thoughts on robik?
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On February 15 2016 00:15 Iwasrobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2016 03:47 keanuisgod wrote:
Anyways robik, I am not sure you believe your own case against me, it seems to me like you haven't even read my filter (though I'm biased since I now my alignment obs).
Your only points are:
- "Fluff" posts and "He's not trying to solve the game" attitude when it was like 2-4 hours into D1, conveniently ignoring anything else from late-D1 (where shit actually matters).
- The Bhaal case, which also had an illogical point (the last one). I can't really call you out on you thinking that about me because of the Bhaal case since you weren't there in the thread when it happened (though I guess you can still reread the thread carefully to figure things out). So I'll ignore that (other than the bad point you made). I advise you to reread that part of the thread carefully.
- Don't call too many people scum. I can see how you may think this might be "scummy" in isolation, but context is everything so I believe just reading the thread and my filter would dissipate any doubts regarding this point. The last point was the reason I was sure you were scum. Now I think you're town, but maybe try to take stronger stances in the future, as you didn't take one the whole game. For example, your votes were "fuck it I'm voting LS", "damnit I'm voting goldrom the only lynch potential" and "I'm bored I'm voting robik". Even now against me, you're unsure and it seems like you're asking others' opinion to scumread me. Being that indecisive is the easiest way to be manipulated in mafia; do stuff, attack people on things you think make them scum, make them react. That's what I did, and I think you're town now 'casue of your thinking about why I would attack you as scum was kinda smart.
Like I said, I can't "fake" strong stances. If I am not sure about the game I'll make it clear.
But yeah, that's a problem I've been having as town in a long while. Maybe the scum game in TL has improved so much and I got left behind in terms of skills.
do stuff, attack people on things you think make them scum, make them react
Difficult to do that in a game with so many lurkers. I did that with Bhaal and it worked too.
On February 15 2016 00:20 Iwasrobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2016 05:16 keanuisgod wrote:These are robik's thoughts on Garga and Warty: On February 13 2016 09:14 Iwasrobik wrote:On February 13 2016 09:06 Wartrukk wrote:
So on first read I hate gargamel and want him to be died. He quite obviously cares less about this game than I do and that's just fucked I had a townread on him for some reason reading the thread. Let's see why. On February 10 2016 12:26 GargamelxD wrote:
cant really take any posts seriously so far, no analysis possible becouse it still seems like standard banter I first had a scumread for this post. On February 11 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote:
he could be SL maybe, either that or ls
either way i think goldrom is VA and i want to kill him with fire
##Vote 77Goldrom Oh yeah, he was one of the first to take a firm stance for the lynch. Town points. On February 11 2016 21:45 GargamelxD wrote:
i dont see any issues with unholy as he just postponed his actual play which i also did, and his entrance wasnt as awkward as roms. he actually took interest into what was happening and gave a bit of his opinion on smurf hunting.
in rom you have a guy who apologizes for being late, claims his role, asks about the latest news and in the next post acts like he doesnt care. Not scumreading me when I was an easy ML. + Having strong opinions in his few posts. Not confirmed town but likely IMO. Weak town read on Garga On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote:
Wartruk is (probably) town 'cause of his attack on kush very early, when kush is the main force behind discussion blablabla, and thus a pretty bad target to attack for scum. And his posts EOD1 are way too obviously bad for scums to make I think, I'm wary of that one but that's what I think. Weak town read on Warty On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote:
I think I have everyone ? The two scums, I explained why gargamed was maybe town above. Pretty sure kaenu and Valdia are the 2 scums. We are in MYLO yet he's "pretty sure" he found the whole scumteam, when he still has (admited by him) weak town reads on Garga and Warty. Dunno about you, but if I have 2 dudes just with slight town reads (hell, it may even reflect my own reads on Garga and Warty so far), I am not going to wager MYLO on fixating my scum reads on the remaining 2 people and call it a day. The most important thing I'd be doing is dispelling or confirming those "weak" town reads on Garga and Warty. However, this doesn't seem to be on robik's mind since he hasn't addressed Garga nor Warty to figure out their alignment once in this game so far. This is the most sketchy thing for me, specially when his case against me is so bad I can't believe he's that convinced by it. His posts so far scream "hidden agenda" to me, not a townie trying to figure the game out so town can salvage something out of these 2-consecutive MYLOs we are going to have. This post is so bad though it's making me doubt my townread. IF YOU RE TOWN STOP FITTING EVERYTHING INTO FUCKING NARRATIVES
So you are saying that point about me not having "strong stances" trumped any kind of "weak read" you had on Warty and Garga at the time?
Also, the other points of your case against me were very bad indeed, you aren't the only one justified in calling me "bad".
On February 15 2016 00:25 Iwasrobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2016 14:26 Valdiano wrote:
sigh, real life is really getting in the way here. I'd say more but I'll reserve it for postgame.
to the people commenting on why my saita push didn't go anywhere, I'd have preferred to engage him more. The first response he had to me was satisfactory, it was the one where he said he wanted to find a motive behind the post, which is why he wanted to play a more or less reactive game.
also it was either keanu or robik, it's also hard to engage with the thread when you don't really have the time to play, only options are those people who are around when I am. bhall I was trying to pick his brain before I had to go again.
wartruckk's end of day comments - the wagon being trash makes no sense but at that time it's not like his vote would have done anything anyhow.
I'll return and catch up fully later sunday. Still no game solving content in this post. Excuse + defense + a comment on wartruk that seems cool but is useless to determine his alignment.
I get my read from "feels" most of the time. That's how I was certain Bhaal was town in late-D1 (when I would have lynched him otherwise, like I mentioned in my case). I don't "feel" these players (Garga/Warty/Valdi) being scum right now, but that might be just because I'm bad
Anyways, now robik gives me townie feels so it's time to reread everything and make up my mind I suppose. Didn't expect this day to be so slow (even slower than D1)
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Warty and Garga are acting so stupidly this MYLO that it wouldn't surprise me both being scum bussing each other for shit and giggles to be honest
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I've seen (and done) worse as scum, at least when scum are "sure" what town sentiment is and ride along with it (in that case it would be "Whole town wagons on Valdi and ignores Gargy/Warty"). Anyways, just fun speculation
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I mean, it doesn't look good for any of them to park a vote on the other for NO reason (or random reasons) and never show up.
At the very least Valdiano HAS to come here, make a vote and post some reasoning or something (lest getting modkilled), Gargy and Warty can lurk until deadline if they want
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