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On January 30 2016 07:19 Shapelog wrote:
Especially when it is easily disprove if mafia did in fact RB someone else (- Onegu/alur)
I mean all kush mafia would have to do is rb alur, kill alur and claim kush was rb'd. It's like the simplest mafia action of all time. At first glance I agree with most of what Eden said. Will probably have to look at it again.
Also can't wait to hear PMT's stuff he/she has put together overnight
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At this point I almost want to policy lynch Jesus lol
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I've never seen someone as inactive as this lol
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On January 30 2016 11:00 Ikidomari wrote:
Okay I'm confused as hell, does a person get a pm if they get roleblocked? Or do they have to figure it out themselves and announce it
Mod literally PMs the guy who gets roleblocked, saying
"you were roleblocked"
this happens regardless of your town alightment (blue role or VT)
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Player list:
Alur
Kuragari42
Onegu
darthfoley
Ikidomari
PepperMintTea
Tumblewood
JesusIncarnate
nooniansoong
Trfel
_MexicanAlien
Eden1892
Shapelog
1/3 chance we kill Mafia so I guess that's nice.
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On January 30 2016 07:00 Eden1892 wrote:
hmmmmmmm.
I'm a bit skeptical about this roleblock claim. I don't know how reasonable it is to be suspicious of kush for this though.
Basically, knowing there was a vig, and knowing the mafia know there was a vig, they had three possible roles to play around:
1. the vig (of course)
2. the veteran
3. the doctor
It's plausible to roleblock somebody to play around a vigilante, which is the main reason why I don't think the claim is too weird. I don't know why kush though.
But when you consider that they would also know about a protective role, wouldn't it make more sense to use the roleblock on that instead of trying to roleblock to maybe protect someone?
Like I can't imagine using the roleblocker to protect Jesus from vig!Kush. The number of things you'd have to have lined up to make that a reasonable play are a bit too high for me.
1. you'd have to have a good read on kush being the vig. I don't see how you would do that. Maybe reading kush lying low as a blue makes sense, but specifically vig doesn't really make sense to me.
2. you'd have to have a good read on kush wanting to shoot Jesus. if you read him as vig I guess that's safe.
3. Jesus would also have to be mafia. obviously, but still worth noting.
That's just a lot of moving parts. I don't think that's what did it.
And obviously, since they shot Alur, they weren't playing around a veteran.
So that leaves a doc. I don't remember kush being adamant about Alur being town... far from it, kush suggested Alur could be mafia at a couple of points. I guess if you just are trying to hit the doc at random then kush is an ok target for lying low...
but then that raises another question. If they reasonably thought kush was doc, why not shoot kush?
That leaves me with four possible explanations:
1. Mafia thought kush was the vig and roleblocked him to protect Jesus. This means Jesus is mafia and the mafia also didn't feel the need to play around a veteran. Lots of parts here but not impossible.
2. Mafia thought kush was the doc and roleblocked him to prevent him from protecting someone. This could be the case I guess, but it makes very little sense because I would basically always shoot the doc n1 if I had a good read on him.
3. Mafia didn't really think kush was anything and just roleblocked him. This is clearly suboptimal mafia play: if there's a vet in the game, you rb your kill if you don't think anyone else is a blue, and if there's a doc in the game and you don't think it's kush, you rb someone else to try to hit the doc.
4. kush is fakeclaiming rb.
(*: Obviously claiming roleblocked doesn't confirm you town, and is NAI, but sometimes townies take an illogical stance on the roleblock and incorrectly (from a process standpoint) confirm a townie to be town. Why risk that if you don't really have a lead on a blue?)
So basically, either kush is mafia or Jesus is. Because kush's rb claim can only be genuine from the standpoint where the mafia think kush is the vig, and they used the rb to protect Jesus from kush.
I'd have to go look and see if Jesus is the one. kush did seem to be mostly on Jesus.
I know it's probably paranoia, but #3 sub-optimal play used well could almost be used as a widespread frame. By roleblocking Kush, it could be seen as trying to RB the vig, but it also throws suspicion on all of his scum reads.
Braglist version 1.1
2. Tumblewood
3. JesusIncarnate
4. Alur
7. Ikidomari
9. Trfel
10. Onegu
11. _MexicanAlien
Braglist 1.2
Tumblewood
JesusIncarnate
Ikidomari
Onegu
I notice Trfel and MexicanAlien aren't on the braglist 1.2. Maybe someone felt like Kush was a safe RB on the off chance that he was blue, while also throwing a shit ton of shade on the 3 people left on Kush's list? Even if there's 1 mafia between Tumble, Jesus, Ikido (which I find super likely), I'm sure town cred could be gained by being on the right lynch wagon. This could be evident if Tumblewood flips scum, many people would consider Trfel confirmed town because of it, even though most of his Tumblewood pushing has occurred when there's no real chance Tumblewood will be lynched.
Idk this is probably very unlikely and silly... Jesus is probably just mafia. But if he isn't, Kush is or we were played super hard
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I'll be busy most of tomorrow, but I may be around before 2pm EST.
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I'd really like more content from PMT, Jesus if he even exists, and Tumble. Also would like to see what MexicanAlien's scum reads are at this point
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Yo Trfel. I'm not sure of anything this game. Especially given that 3 VTs have died with nothing to show for it. I'm going to be busy for much of today at a smash tournament, but I will definitely give Eden's filter a closer look.
Off the top of the dome:
I'm not sure I really understand the motivation behind mafia!Eden to go so aggressively after Onegu. I guess it could be because Onegu is a veteran and would be more likely to find inconsistencies in his posts? I mean Onegu was hardly anyone's TR... he was either null or scum read iirc. Would've been a relatively easy lynch (might've taken a couple cycles) and he probably wouldn't have had to put his finger on the scale as much. Seems like a much safer play as mafia to push Onegu, just not to the extent Eden was doing so. Even if mafia were scum and knew there was a vigi, I highly doubt scum expected the vigi shot on Onegu N1.
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Ikidomari either never read the OP or he really really wants to come off like he never really read the OP.
On January 30 2016 10:24 Ikidomari wrote:
Wait wait I'm confused how the hell was noon roleblocked?
It's pretty much confirmed that darth was vig and shot onegu
Therefore mafia killed alur if we believe darths claim
So.. You're doctor, you tried to save either alur or onegu, and mafia roleblocked you?
Could you please explain who you tried to save and why?
If I was the doctor my save would probably go to Eden or darth because they were far stronger town players.
He first says that it's pretty much confirmed that I am town because of my role claim. In the next sentence, he says "if we believe darth's claim" ???????????????? there's actually 0% chance i'm mafia, and he just said as much. This is weird
Asking Kush to reveal who he saved, without Kush claiming doc... without knowing there's even a doc in the game. Unless he knows there's a doc because he's mafia and knows the setup. I find it interesting that he almost immediately backtracks
On January 30 2016 10:29 Ikidomari wrote:
Actually noon I'm giving you a free pass. Don't explain any of your reasoning behind being roleblocked. It gives mafia good info and gains town nothing
Perhaps someone in his scum QT (or maybe even Ikido himself) realized how bad this post looks, and tried to find a way to back track it. Why would you call it giving Kush a "free pass?" Like these posts are so weird to me. I'm willing to take a chance on losing another weaker town on the real chance that we lynch an inept mafia member.
##Vote: Ikidomari
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On January 31 2016 13:38 Trfel wrote:Oh yeah, I left that line in there. Whoops. I mean, everyone hates playing with me every game I play. I keep thinking I can fix it, but I still haven't found the solution. At some point I need to just stop playing, if no one likes playing with me and it makes everyone miserable, I shouldn't do it. Some parts of this game were fun. Other parts were miserable. It took a lot of time. I need to move on.
uhh I haven't hated playing with you. Don't really understand this but it would be sad to see you go.
You're still on the fence for me 
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On January 31 2016 14:50 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I find it suspicious how eden and trfel somehow decide for obscure reasons that lynching each other is not going to work or they just town read. They seem to be supporting each other in spam.
I think Mafia is:
Tfrel
Eden1892
Mafia lean:
Ikidomari
Jesusincarnate
Town lean:
darthfoley
PepperMintTea
Town:
Shape log
Null:
nooniansoong
I'm personally offended that you have Shapelog as more of a town read than me given that i'm the vigilante aka blue role lol
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I'm going to enjoy my last 14 hours as a living member of this game. Well 34 if we include the night phase.
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On January 31 2016 21:43 LoneMeow wrote:
Vote count:
Trfel (2): nooniansoong, _MexicanAlien, darthfoley
JesusIncarnate (2): Shapelog, PepperMintTea, Eden1892
Ikidomari (2): Trfel, darthfoley
Eden1892 (1): Shapelog
Tumblewood (0): Trfel
Not voting (3): Tumblewood, JesusIncarnate, Ikidomari
Currently, Trfel is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Sunday, Jan 31 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
Interested that 3 people haven't voted yet, all of whom have been scum read by people. Our voting is spread too thin right now
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I really hope we correctly lynch mafia
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Jesus has to be town. Can't understand why someone who rolls mafia would be this uninterested in the game. Probably just VT
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plus he's probably getting modkilled so we should know for sure
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EPT
