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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 02:35 GMT
#1076
@Shapelog

You ranked me third of six on your list aka pretty logically sound on my Kuragari vote

Darthfy is currently (until Ikido filps or I see reason why) a scum read of mine. I will try to remain as unbiased as possible, and focus on his voting and reasoning.


I'm a scum read of yours?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 02:38 GMT
#1080
I want other people's takes on EoD
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 03:54 GMT
#1090
no one knows why you've read anything kush
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 04:10 GMT
#1093
On January 29 2016 11:42 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 11:35 darthfoley wrote:
@Shapelog

You ranked me third of six on your list aka pretty logically sound on my Kuragari vote

Darthfy is currently (until Ikido filps or I see reason why) a scum read of mine. I will try to remain as unbiased as possible, and focus on his voting and reasoning.


I'm a scum read of yours?

Yes due to my tinfoil theory. But Honestly I going to focus more on the cornerstone of that, Ikido, for right now.
So you are i guess Innocent till Ikido flips. Prob. is a better way for right now.

And @ Trofl
You know what fine.
let mwe skim Tumble's filter. And i do what i said i do.


Sorry but this is really stupid
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 04:11 GMT
#1094
You call me scum read and town in the same post.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 06:30 GMT
#1101
On January 29 2016 13:19 Eden1892 wrote:
Also, I'm going to elaborate on what I mean by newer mafia tending to post in the way that Ikidomari did. I cited something from Ver's analysis of Mafia XXX in discussing his post, but I don't think anybody bothered to go read it. I suppose I can't blame you if you didn't bother to go look yourself, but now I'm posting it so you have no excuse.

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 26 2010 13:07 Ver wrote:



Day 1 Analysis:


Basically I'll point out the posts that are great for analysis, either finding reds or greens. In doing analysis most posts will be worthless, it's the gems you want to search for unless you want to do a full analysis profile on that person (dragging up all their posts and looking in context for patterns). That unfortunately takes a lot of time and thus can only be done on a few people at a time. Thus for those stretched on time, it's much easier to look for mistakes/bad posts and then do a thorough inspection of said person. That's how I'll present the red analysis.

Misder
:

Here is a great example of a mafia slipping up very obviously in day 1.

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On August 06 2010 13:13 Misder wrote:
@Divenek I'll try to be as active as possible. I was better during the end of that last mafia game. At least I was right for my lynching targets

I'm not used to being active early game, so lets try this out. From my last two games, it seemed like we always tried to vote for inactives, except for the XXIII where town voted for a one liner mistake. We shouldn't do that. Because just because you make one mistake early doesn't mean you are mafia, just more likely. We should always be suspicious, but not impulsive. And the other game was where we had to vote for a mayor and a pardoner, so people had to talk.

As for strategies in the beginning... no idea. I'm still learning, (I still haven't done what you told me to do BC sorry!)


Show nested quote +
On August 06 2010 15:45 Misder wrote:
xD I'm sorry! I'll try to post better, but for me, it's hard to post in the beginning of the game...

Vote count is:
(3) Bill Murray
(1) Divinek
(1) Misder
(1) Chezinu
(1) Youngminii

On August 06 2010 14:40 larjarse wrote:
BillMurray, right after he got his two "random" votes against him wrote:

I proclaim the Random Voting Stage hereby dead.
I am voting not for randomness,


An obvious reason to stick with my vote.


This leaves my suspicions on BM. If everyone randomized, BM would be more likely to get a higher vote count (due to already having 2 votes on him). I'm not voting yet though; don't want to be impulsive...


These are two posts full of flagrant errors. This is the first easy mafia catch the town could've had; let's go through it:

-Note the multiple apologies, excuses, the specific mention that he is still learning, and overall meek tone. Newer mafia players will try to emphasize their inexperience as a way of overcompensating. Think about this from the angle of being a townie: why would you want to say all this? What's the point in painting yourself to be some noob who is useless and shouldn't be listened to? If you want to be of use to the town, apologizing a bunch and acting all sorry for doing nothing wrong is hardly going to make yourself listened to. In fact, it will make people ignore you instead. Someone who can't even convince themself is hardly going to convince anyone else. That would be great for a mafia who wants to hide though, wouldn't it?

On that angle it makes perfect sense from the mafia's perspective. You want to find reasons that make you look less suspicious without looking like you are trying too hard to do so. See how Misder isn't even suspicious before this but he's trying to make himself look less suspicious. That's entirely mafia rationale. A townie might want to defend himself if someone accuses him, but only a mafia feels inherently guilty and has a need, perhaps even a desire to defend himself before he's even a blip on anyone's radar. It's a very common pattern that I've seen many, many times.

[[Redacted from post; paragraph was a separate argument against Misder that is irrelevant to Ikidomari.]]

-Lastly, dock another point against Misder for his extremely mild statements about his suspicions and refusal to vote. Why would voting be impulsive?






Bolded for relevance. This is a very common tell for newer mafia players that's been generally true since the dawn of online mafia. You're welcome to disagree that these behaviors make him more likely than null to be mafia, or to think that this behavior is NAI, or what have you, but your opinion flies in the face of actual years of recorded evidence to the contrary.

In light of that, Trfel, I still do not understand what you struggle to see in my case, and I certainly do not understand why you felt the need to submit your concern with my case as this apparent grand enigma that makes you unable to understand what I'm doing this game. Such massive overstating of a simple difference of opinion as you "not being able to understand where [I'm] coming from this game," especially when I cite my publicly-viewable source of my tell for you to read, makes me suspicious of you -- you just look like you're trying to paint my argument as this completely unreasonable push and discredit my play this game for it, which sits very poorly with me.


I read that before I started playing forum mafia and I agree with you. The main reason I wasn't in favor of Ikido D1 is because I was relatively confident that Kuragari was going to flip scum. I am more than open to lynching him D2 if he doesn't do anything to change my mind
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 06:39 GMT
#1102
On January 29 2016 11:42 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 11:37 Shapelog wrote:
On January 29 2016 11:33 Trfel wrote:
On January 29 2016 11:27 darthfoley wrote:
On January 29 2016 10:22 Trfel wrote:
I mean, don't blame me that you didn't want to lynch mafia. That's on you.


We didn't want to lynch mafia? Lol. If you were so adamant against him, why would you just say fuck it and join the wagon?
I was scumreading him, so I'm not sure what you're saying?

It's just extremely frustrating that everyone is blaming me for the mislynch, when I'm pretty sure that Tumblewood is mafia. Yes, I messed up. But in addition to messing up, I wanted to lynch Tumblewood the entire time, and it was clear that people weren't willing to do so. And now, some of the same people are saying that I defended Tumblewood by lynching Kuragari42. It's not relevant, just very, very annoying.

I am not blaming you for the mislynch, Nor do i think you defended Tumbleweed since he wasn't even getting voted by a lot of people.
It is weird to me that a player of your skill and playstyle (question based) did not push Kura to give more info about his reads at the time. WHILE you apparently sat by waiting for the lynch.
This is the last I'll say about this.

My playstyle is not a question based playstyle. My playstyle is non-interactive do analysis and post reads every night while no one else is awake. But that's not fun, so I've been trying to change it.

I have been extremely busy all day. I don't have time to make reads on people and go around asking questions to gain information. This is why I spent additional time last night trying to figure things out (I stayed up until something like 4 or 5 am voluntarily last night just because I knew I wouldn't have much time at all afterwards). It's also extremely frustrating when I know that someone is mafia but I can't get anyone to listen, and everyone just calls me stupid instead. Which really kills my motivation to try and carefully figure things out, or try and force a lynch on my target through when everyone is just calling me stupid.


You stayed up that late partially because your roommate locked you out. You aren't some info martyr lol. Last part of this seems like a classic OMGUS so i'm going to check out when it matters (aka votes)
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 06:43 GMT
#1103
On January 29 2016 11:52 Shapelog wrote:
Things to do tomorrow that i prob. won't end up doing:
Close read Tumble filter,
Look at Eden (like someone said we let him be lazy)
Investagte trofl scum
Post reasons why i think Ikido is mafia (or town if by a miracle he convinces me)



fixed.

Why do you feel the need to look at Eden when you just posted about how confident you were that his Kuragari vote was a town tell? He was #2 on your 6 person list in terms of towniness.

This post is lol
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 14:54 GMT
#1133
i'll be on in an hour or so
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 18:11 GMT
#1154
On January 30 2016 02:50 Eden1892 wrote:
Possible he just saw that it did him no favors to state his reads so passively and gave us the same thing with more definition. Or that he read new material and became more confident in his results. idk.

I don't think I would lynch Ikidomari at this point. The new reads list really cleaned up a lot of issues I had, but it didn't seem forced or anything. Also liked the discussion with noon.

I think I would not lynch these people at this point:
PepperMintTea
Alur
darthfoley
Ikidomari
_MexicanAlien
Shapelog

I would consider lynching these people, but would need a good reason:
nooniansoong

And I think these people are good lynches right now:
Tumblewood
JesusIncarnate
Trfel
Onegu

Notably, I would not lynch Trfel and Onegu, and think Trfel would be a better lynch than Onegu. Onegu wasn't doing much to be very "try-hard" or useful before his oog circumstances took over, and those two can't be mafia together.

noon hasn't really done all that much lately and it's starting to bother me a bit. he's still probably town, but I moved him out of my 'unlynchable' pile.


I generally agree:

Wouldn't consider lynching right now:
Alur
MexicanAlien
Eden
PMT

Would consider, probably not my first targets:
Noon
Shapelog
Ikidomari
Onegu (?)

Probable lynches:
JesusIncarnate
Tumblewood
Trfel


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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 18:24 GMT
#1159
On January 29 2016 17:59 PepperMintTea wrote:
I don't have anything to say until day starts so just going to read and then get to work.


Don't like the vibe from this tbh. You really don't have anything to say about me scum reading Shapelog or Trfel? Or about MexicanAlien or Shapelog scumreading Trfel? Or Ikidomari's or Tumblewood's list posts? I think there are always things to talk about as town.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 18:34 GMT
#1161
I think there's a very good chance either Alur or I die tonight.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 18:37 GMT
#1163
I admit that she was once a strong TR for me, and I find her lack of activity/announced zoning-out till EoN1 kinda of weird
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 19:01 GMT
#1169
On January 30 2016 03:56 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 03:34 darthfoley wrote:
I think there's a very good chance either Alur or I die tonight.

If iw ere scum I would kill eden.


me too
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 20:20 GMT
#1209
On January 30 2016 04:31 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2016 03:24 darthfoley wrote:
On January 29 2016 17:59 PepperMintTea wrote:
I don't have anything to say until day starts so just going to read and then get to work.


Don't like the vibe from this tbh. You really don't have anything to say about me scum reading Shapelog or Trfel? Or about MexicanAlien or Shapelog scumreading Trfel? Or Ikidomari's or Tumblewood's list posts? I think there are always things to talk about as town.

Yo Darth, sup with this post?

Why do you bring up Ikidomaris list post? It was made two hours after PMT made her post. She couldn't possibly have known if it's existence when she made her post.


"just going to read and then get to work"

If she's reading the thread, I don't know why she wouldn't do anything during the night. My only point is that there has been plenty of stuff going on during the night worth at least discussing imo. If she were to die for example, she dies without giving a more up to date version of her reads, leaving town with a death and not much info to go off of.

That or she meant reading for pleasure and going to work irl? Maybe I completely misunderstood her post idk
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 20:23 GMT
#1211
Onegu do you have anything besides eden = scum to offer?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 21:00 GMT
#1235
Okay well I basically made that post after I looked through her lackluster recent filter
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 21:02 GMT
#1238
Yea i'm so i'm vigi. Shot Onegu. Feel free to cc me motherfuckers.

Also fuck
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 21:13 GMT
#1244
Firstly, not going to talk about my other choices.

My thought process


-Inactivity: Shitty situation irl, but he wasn't particularly helpful before he told us, and I don't think he was particularly helpful once he came back. Basically ended up trolling

-He had had a wagon earlier. If he flipped scum, I thought it could give us a ton of juicy info

-Couldn't get a read on him worth a shit.

-Thought I was going to die, so wanted to get my shot off

Sorry to Onegu. RIP Alur
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 29 2016 21:19 GMT
#1249
On January 30 2016 06:09 nooniansoong wrote:
i got roleblocked


Interesting
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