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On January 28 2016 15:46 Ikidomari wrote: what does WIFOM mean? and NAI for that matter. WIFOM:+ Show Spoiler + NAI: not alignment indicative | ||
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I'm pretty in agreement with PMT right now in terms of possible lynch targets. Jesus, Kuragari + I want to reread Onegu's and Tumblewood's filter. I thought of some things this morning that I want to cross reference r | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:55 Alur wrote: Rofl. What doc? How can you be sure this is setup A) or C)? This is so god damn bad. Either you're doc and you just outed yourself, or you're mafia and let slip that we're playing either A or C. There's a 3/13 chance your mafia, there's a 1/13 chance you're doc. And you're scummy as hell ##Unvote ##Vote: Kuragari | ||
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and ##Unvote ##Vote: Kuragari | ||
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People are giving me shit for laying off of Ikidomari a bit, but you're going to let Kuragari off the hook saying he didn't understand the setup when it's a clear slip? I find that very hard to believe if he actually pays attention to the game or read the OP for more than 5 seconds. The only other person who has mentioned the possibility of a doc is Ikidomari, which is strange itself. This guy literally says we have a doc in the game.......... | ||
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On January 28 2016 13:00 Kuragari42 wrote: @darth Your opinion on me did change, I will try to remember to find the posts tmr. You did flip sides on Alur as you admitted. You changed tones on Onegu, not necessarily lean. You did read Eden for meta originally. There was no mention as far as I saw other than the meta read of why you town read him. My phone is about to die so peace out until tomorrow. Left off at post #627. Also quoting this because he hasn't followed up on it, and it's kind of bullshit again. Yes, I did meta read Eden originally, but you really didn't see any other reason why I town read him? Because two posts before I mention meta, I posted this: Eden, i've been trying to make exactly the point you just made about Shapelog. The scum Kush meta read thing just makes no sense. I also liked Kush's interaction with Pepperminttea. He is playing a lot more substantively this game imo. I also think that there was Shapelog mafia pile on, and I'm suspicious of a couple people. I'm interested to see your analysis re p13-14 when you get a chance tomorrow I clearly town read Eden for more than one thing. You look even worse if you went through my filter and ignored my first post regarding Eden, and focused solely on the meta aspect of it. | ||
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On January 29 2016 01:52 Shapelog wrote: You're just mad that I did the same thing to you with Rik and Giyga Khan in Nutcracker aren't you? Also duh ik, But if we end up lynching Ikido and he flips scum, then I already have a direction to go into and poke. About your stupid tinfoil darth/eden/ikido scum team: I know this is WIFOM, but my first (scum) game, we lost our roleblocker D1 and the 3 people who voted for him were more or less confirmed as town for the rest of the game, which makes it almost impossible to win as mafia. I would be more than okay bussing a shitty mafia teammate who's super obvious (no offense Ikido) if it meant getting me super town cred, especially considering Eden and I were the first ones to talk about his inconsistencies (wouldn't be questioned about bandwagoning). Second WIFOM point, I suggest you take a look through my filter from last game. Unless I leveled up severely in the last two weeks, I wouldn't have the confidence to play such an assertive, risky mafia game. I don't question your doubts on Ikido, but even if he flips scum, it will be NAI about me and Eden | ||
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I think [darthfoley] will be useful to town later on, and if we have a doctor, you should consider putting this guy on your save list. This struck me at the time as a possible red flag, because he was the first player to mention blue roles in a long time. I read it more town than scum however, because I could definitely see a noob stating that IF we have a doc, he/she should consider saving my #1 TR. No one else that I have seen said anything else about "weird NKs" or shit like that. If i'm wrong, let me know | ||
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On January 29 2016 02:12 Shapelog wrote: Well I ask you (and this extends to Eden, but i think he explained it a bit) Why did you give Ikido so much ways to escape in you posts towards him? All the coachs, newbie, etc. excuses. Why? Because I feel for him. Granted I was lost in my first forum mafia game as scum, but I can definitely see why a first time town wouldn't be too sure of any of this reads, and wouldn't want to offend/piss other town off. Basically, read what Trfel posted because it sums up some of my current feelings towards Ikido + Show Spoiler + I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. I think you can interpret him either way; if for example, it is Ikidomari vs. one of my TRs near EoD, I would likely vote for Ikido, but he isn't one of my primary suspects currently | ||
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On January 29 2016 02:18 Kuragari42 wrote: 50/50 = 75/25 I enjoy that logic. No clue what rule you could be referencing. "Even if both doc/mafia are equally likely to make the slip" = each of the 4 people are equally likely to make a slip there are 3 mafia + 1 doc = 4 people. 3/4 of those people are mafia; therefore, it is a 75% chance of lynching mafia IF you believe, like Alur and I do, that you slipped... especially when we have been scum reading you | ||
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On January 29 2016 04:33 Kuragari42 wrote: READS: Slight Town: PeppermintTea - While I am not in complete agreement with everything they have said/done, I have gotten a pretty steady townie vibe from them. Trofl - While originally his questions bothered me and made me lean slightly scum, I now see that each of them had a point. Shapelog - His reads/refutations are sort of out-of-the-box yet still have sense and I am in agreement with a lot of his logic. darthfoley - I was suspicious of his early game but I did not scum-read him, I just wasn't content with the strong town-reads on him. Quite a few of his posts mid-game were pretty good. I'd say if this list was ordered he would be pretty low TR. Slight Scum: Eden - His posts are not aligned with how I expect a experienced town player to post. Pretty low SR. Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR. Okay, so... You were suspicious of me early game for valid reasons, but you did not scum read me. Quite a few of my posts mid-game were pretty good, but if you ordered your list, I would be a low TR How does this read make any sense? I was suspicious but you didn't scum read me. My post in mid game were pretty good, but you still only have me as a low TR. Like this is just weaksauce all around. Let's remember that Kuragari kept bringing up how flip floppy I had supposedly been, and to my knowledge never found the posts he claimed he was going to look for regarding my flip flopping. Add the potential doc slip and I am more than satisfied on lynching Kuragari. OT: Also eagerly awaiting JesusIncarnate's epic reads! | ||
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Also okay with this wagon on Jesus. kush's point on Jesus is okay, darth's emergent case on Jesus is pretty strong for day 1, both of those players are strong town to me, and both players attacked on completely different axes from the other. Would sheep 10/10, will switch vote to push this wagon over the top if Trfel isn't going or some other wagon looks poised to overtake both. I don't think we should lynch JesusIncarnate today. Too many people are willing to do it for reasons that don't really make him scummy with nobody really trying to stop it (except I guess me). I'm still down for a Trfel lynch as a backup plan. And if all that goes to hell I'm 99% sheeping kush. I think I'm just gonna vote for Iki after all. I don't think I want Trfel to go today. Still not feeling this Jesus train -- still too many people on him for things that don't make him mafia to make me comfortable with it. "would sheep 10/10" is pretty strong language. Can you be more specific on who is doing these things you're uncomfortable with, and insight into what those things are? | ||
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 I don't think you would've let me get away with that answer last game, so i'll follow your lead and expect a follow up later. | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:26 Eden1892 wrote: Sure thing, it'll be sometime tonight if not earlier. I think a lot of that was in reaction to Ikidomari if that helps. Literally jumping on basically for just not liking Jesus's posting style. That kind of behavior seems to me to be vintage mafia finding an excuse to hop on a town wagon that's gaining steam. For sure. I learned that last game on Tubesock lol. No rush though, feeling decently confident about the 2/3 wagons right now. | ||
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