Eden1892, you're probably town, but I really don't know what you're trying to do this game. Like, I just can't see where you're coming from at all.

Humor me for a bit? Assume that I'm 100% confirmed town, and let's chat about the game. Okay?

Trfel

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January 28 2016 21:54 GMT

#994

ROFL I was about to say XD

Trfel

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January 28 2016 22:06 GMT

#1006

Darthfoley, you think that JesusIncarnate is mafia?

Trfel

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January 28 2016 22:19 GMT

#1013

Eden, I really don't get why you're scumreading Ikidaromi. I feel that your case demonstrated some logical flaws in his play, but I don't know why this makes him mafia. Can you please explain this again?

Trfel

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January 28 2016 22:26 GMT

#1017

On January 29 2016 07:23 Eden1892 wrote:

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No.

What parts didn't you understand? That post is long and I have no time right now to regurgitate it. Ask me specific questions that don't have open ended answers.

I don't think that being wishy-washy is a scum tell.

I know lots of players who are like that as town, including myself. I don't feel that Ikidaromi was avoiding committing to his reads. This seems to be the majority of your case on him.

Trfel

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January 28 2016 22:37 GMT

#1020

On January 29 2016 07:33 Eden1892 wrote:
It is -- especially in absence of much explanation of his reads, going back and forth on a lot of people in your reads is basically tantamount to not having reads at all. It's even more prevalent among newer players, who if town may have reservations but will talk about their reads and explain themselves

I feel like the second sentence you said is more characteristic of Ikidaromi's play this game.

You're saying that he's been going back and forth on his reads all the time, and thus hasn't been committal at all, so he is mafia, correct?

Because if that is the case, I've felt that Ikidaromi has largely stuck with his reads and has just been sharing all of the thoughts on his mind, not only the ones that point in his conclusion. I should probably look again to confirm this, though.

Trfel

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January 29 2016 00:03 GMT

#1034

Vote count analyses are very different depending on whether or not there is mafia up for lynch.

If all of the wagons were town, mafia doesn't really care what happens. As such, people who seem invested at end of day and care about the lynch are more likely town. If there is mafia up for lynch, then obviously people who voted for the flipped town are more suspicious. But that's very poor preflip association analysis to simply assume that mafia wanted Kuragari42 to be lynched.

I thought that Kuragari42 had slipped blue and/or was claiming blue, in which case it's always incorrect to lynch him. When I looked at his filter more carefully, this wasn't the case, so I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting. It didn't feel like Kuragari42 was trying to help further town and help catch scum, but instead just state his reads for the record. In retrospect, this isn't very alignment indicative.

Tumblewood wasn't going to get lynched, and I already explained my reasons for scumreading him as well as I could. I don't really think that JesusIncarnate is mafia.

Trfel

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January 29 2016 00:42 GMT

#1043

You can't vote at night.

Trfel

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January 29 2016 01:22 GMT

#1051

I mean, don't blame me that you didn't want to lynch mafia. That's on you.

Trfel

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January 29 2016 01:26 GMT

#1054

On January 29 2016 10:24 Shapelog wrote:

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Possible. Personally I am town leaning Jesus right now because i doubt a First time mafia would stroll in and be that cocky. it isn't even a newbie thing to do, Just really weird. A course it is a tone thing, but his cockyness makes me think he is town. I admit his reads was a bit weak, but I still think he is town.

Idk I check his filter in a few.

Wow, didn't realize that someone else thought this.

Trfel

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January 29 2016 01:44 GMT

#1059

Doesn't matter, he's still ridiculously confident. The "newbie" part isn't important.

Trfel

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January 29 2016 02:19 GMT

#1069

Okay, I finished my analysis. I think that the mafia team is Tumblewood, Onegu, and Eden1892.

I will be attempting to use a new posting style from now on.

Tumblewood is mafia because:

Inconsistencies in his reads as if he doesn't actually believe his reads
Constantly scumreads the people that everyone else is already scumreading
No interest in actually lynching mafia, it doesn't seem like he actually cares about his scumreads

Onegu is mafia because:

Lots of commenting, but the comments have no purpose
Most of his filter has no direction

Eden1892 is mafia because:

Continually votes for weak reasons, even when he admits as much
Not very invested in lynching mafia, particularly around this post where he says that he's fine with basically all of the wagons and then a few posts later, asks everyone to stop lynching lynch bait and to lynch mafia instead

I'm pretty confident in Tumblewood and Onegu, but I'm not as confident in Eden1892.

Trfel

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January 29 2016 02:30 GMT

#1073

You're still talking about why I voted for Kuragari42?

"Not interesting" was a poor description. What I meant to say was that he didn't seem interested in his own reads. As in, he was presenting them in a very dry way, and it didn't feel like he was actually interested in pushing those people or convincing people to lynch them.

Basically, not that I didn't find his reads interesting, but that it seemed that he didn't find his own reads interesting.

Trfel

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January 29 2016 02:33 GMT

#1075

On January 29 2016 11:27 darthfoley wrote:

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We didn't want to lynch mafia? Lol. If you were so adamant against him, why would you just say fuck it and join the wagon?

I was scumreading him, so I'm not sure what you're saying?

It's just extremely frustrating that everyone is blaming me for the mislynch, when I'm pretty sure that Tumblewood is mafia. Yes, I messed up. But in addition to messing up, I wanted to lynch Tumblewood the entire time, and it was clear that people weren't willing to do so. And now, some of the same people are saying that I defended Tumblewood by lynching Kuragari42. It's not relevant, just very, very annoying.

Trfel

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January 29 2016 02:37 GMT

#1078

I mean, okay, whatever, I'm scum. I don't care. This isn't productive.

So move on and ignore my posts, because I'm scum. The more you talk to me, the more you allow me to spread mafia motives and influence.

Alternatively, if you're not sure that I'm scum, you could focus on my scumreads, and figure out if those reads are correct or not. Do something that's actually important.

Either way is fine, but nothing in between.

Trfel

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January 29 2016 02:42 GMT

#1082

On January 29 2016 11:37 Shapelog wrote:

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I am not blaming you for the mislynch, Nor do i think you defended Tumbleweed since he wasn't even getting voted by a lot of people.
It is weird to me that a player of your skill and playstyle (question based) did not push Kura to give more info about his reads at the time. WHILE you apparently sat by waiting for the lynch.

This is the last I'll say about this.

My playstyle is not a question based playstyle. My playstyle is non-interactive do analysis and post reads every night while no one else is awake. But that's not fun, so I've been trying to change it.

I have been extremely busy all day. I don't have time to make reads on people and go around asking questions to gain information. This is why I spent additional time last night trying to figure things out (I stayed up until something like 4 or 5 am voluntarily last night just because I knew I wouldn't have much time at all afterwards). It's also extremely frustrating when I know that someone is mafia but I can't get anyone to listen, and everyone just calls me stupid instead. Which really kills my motivation to try and carefully figure things out, or try and force a lynch on my target through when everyone is just calling me stupid.

Trfel

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January 29 2016 03:03 GMT

#1087

For the record, I'm not trying to say that I'm better than anyone else or that I wanted to lynch mafia while everyone else wanted to lynch town. I was frustrated by stupid reasons, and still am, which unfortunately is normal for me.

Anyway, I need to head out and do some homework. I'm not sure when I'll have a bunch of time again.

And the more I think about it, the less and less sure I am about Eden1892 being mafia. There are several (imo) good reasons to be suspicious of him, but there are several indisputable reasons to townread him. Meh. Input is very appreciated, as always.