On January 29 2016 17:53 Alur wrote: How are you the type of person that watches all the vods of "the town" mafia event, spends too much time on 4chan and TL, but your IRL schedule is so insanely packed.
Of all the newbies you and me have the most similar mafia experience, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to relate to you.
Quite simple really, over the late november - early january period I was working 3-4 days a week, now I'm working 5-6 days a week, and haven't cut down on the amount of social events.
Typically on a lunch break I'll watch a stream or some VODs, or browse /vg/ if there's nothing I want to watch.
Ok. Looking forward to your take on the game.
I will be afk for 5-6 hours. Speaking of 5-6 hours. Jesusincarnate complete failed to deliver on his promise.
On January 29 2016 19:10 Ikidomari wrote: I'm mostly done with my analysis, I've got 4.5 out of 12reads to go. should be up within the hour unless dinner interrupts.
this is taking longer than I thought to type everything up.
We don't care about your reads on yourself or Kuragari42. We want to hear your reads on up to 11 players.
So I made a list of reads, it took a little while because I had to look at filters for unmemorable players. This means that the list doesn't take into account the last page or so. I'm happy to elaborate on anything.
Reads list:
Good chance of being town:
Darthfoley – I like his reasons/timing for voting to lynch the best. To me his filter also conveys being interested and paying attention to ongoing discussions..
Townlean:
Mexican – Seems lynch oriented, and stuck with his lynchvote even when the bandwagon on Kura hadn't matured. Admittedly has both towny and slightly scummy posts.
Noon – Looking back at it, he played well during the Kura lynch. He's also reasonably inquisitive. He's also scumread a fuckton of people, and I think being inherently paranoid is a town trait. But I feel like a tinfoil case for TMI can be made (regarding how he handled the lynch).
Null:
Onegu – I don't think his day 1 was overwhelmingly scummy or towny, he has explaining to do because of his absense. Note: He just got lynched in the other game he was playing, so I think we can expect more effort and activity from him.
Shapelog – I was going to townread him just based on my overall impression of him by reading the thread. But looking at his filter, I'm finding it hard to do in good conscience, because of how reckless he is, like I really don't think he's providing the town with that much. He's alluded to the fact that his play is going to change as the game goes on, I guess I wouldn't mind seeing that. But if you put a gun to my head I'd say town.
Eden - He's made cases, the cases seemed reasonably logical, even if I find him overzealous at times that could just be pressuring. Not sure what to make of his pulling back on reads. Aswell as his lastminute joining the bandwagon into saying “Don't feel bad, twas' a reasonable lynch”, could be trying to blend in. But gutwise he might be town.
PepperMintTea – (Had a hard time placing this one) Her type of posting activity strikes me as suspicious, same with her history behind her vote. Also not having anything at all to say after a mislynch where you're the third to vote also seems odd. Admittedly her day 1 filter says quite a few things that make sense, case in point #723
Tumblewood – He's the player I feel I know the least about by just casually having read the thread. And reading his filter doesn't give me strong feelings one way or the other. If we were to move on him I would have a hard time formulating a case (as of right now).
Scumlean:
JesusIncarnate – Coming out cocky while saying close to nothing, followed by making promises he doesn't keep. Can't possibly be the mafia grandmaster he claimed to be.
Ikidomari – Arguably attempting to guilt town out of lynching. Overall I thought his defense was quite weak. His night post with reads didn't do enough for me.
Probably scum:
Trfel – I really think his posting reveals that he is not motivated to read the thread (See the two instances where I called him out for questions I didn't like). He seems out of touch with general town sentiments (See his bizarre hesitation on the day 1 lynch).
He's also the player, that when townread on day 1 (which happened a few times), was townread with the least reasoning behind it (imo).
NOTE!: It seems very improbable that my 3 most scummy reads are all scum. For example Ikidomari parked his vote on jesus, while also scumreading Trfel. There almost has to be scum in my null/town reads.
On January 30 2016 03:34 Trfel wrote: I feel like its weird that PMT spends much of her early posting talking about townreads. Or often not even talking about townreads, but saying why other peoples scumreads are incorrect, without having a read on those people.
When PMT finally posts scumreads, they seem willing to lynch most anyone, including all suspects. This seems really strange given how aggressively PMT was shooting down non-definitive scumreads earlier. The exception to this is the scumread on Tumblewood, which was an original thought scumreading.
In regards to scumreads and the lynch, I feel that PMT has been very much in the background and non-influential. But the critical thinking is there, so I'm very unsure.
Thoughts?
I took note of this as well. It looked surprisingly easy for her to townlean people early on. In reply to that Onegu said that it's just a way some people play. Which might be true, I really don't know what is most prevalent. Personally I find that it takes a lot for me to trust somebody.
I would have preferred it if you referenced specific posts with your allegation. Really makes it a lot easier for town to see your point of view.
I agree that Eden is a good lynch, but for that to be the case he has to actually be town. Also, isn't there a chance that talking about this helps mafia? Doesn't it open nutty WIFOM options?
On January 29 2016 17:59 PepperMintTea wrote: I don't have anything to say until day starts so just going to read and then get to work.
Don't like the vibe from this tbh. You really don't have anything to say about me scum reading Shapelog or Trfel? Or about MexicanAlien or Shapelog scumreading Trfel? Or Ikidomari's or Tumblewood's list posts? I think there are always things to talk about as town.
Yo Darth, sup with this post?
Why do you bring up Ikidomaris list post? It was made two hours after PMT made her post. She couldn't possibly have known if it's existence when she made her post.
On January 29 2016 17:59 PepperMintTea wrote: I don't have anything to say until day starts so just going to read and then get to work.
Don't like the vibe from this tbh. You really don't have anything to say about me scum reading Shapelog or Trfel? Or about MexicanAlien or Shapelog scumreading Trfel? Or Ikidomari's or Tumblewood's list posts? I think there are always things to talk about as town.
Yo Darth, sup with this post?
Why do you bring up Ikidomaris list post? It was made two hours after PMT made her post. She couldn't possibly have known if it's existence when she made her post.
I thought he was refering to the post right b/4 she voted Because in the post she talked about Ikido and Tumble.
He's quoting the post he's referring to. I don't see how he could be referring to anything else, or how you could interpret it as a reference to something else.
On January 29 2016 05:12 Kuragari42 wrote: ##Vote:Tumblewood
Surprised you wouldn't vote for Jesus, since it seems like the most viable strategy for you to not get lynched. Since he's your primary competition, lynchwise.
This is why you should have town read him. This comes from town a large majority of the time for future reference.
If that was me getting lynched I would prioritize not getting lynched over being afraid of mislynching. Like it's not 100% impossible that the counterwagon would've gone through, in which case town would've been better off (since theres a <100% chance of the counterwagon being town.
On January 29 2016 17:59 PepperMintTea wrote: I don't have anything to say until day starts so just going to read and then get to work.
Don't like the vibe from this tbh. You really don't have anything to say about me scum reading Shapelog or Trfel? Or about MexicanAlien or Shapelog scumreading Trfel? Or Ikidomari's or Tumblewood's list posts? I think there are always things to talk about as town.
Yo Darth, sup with this post?
Why do you bring up Ikidomaris list post? It was made two hours after PMT made her post. She couldn't possibly have known if it's existence when she made her post.
"just going to read and then get to work"
If she's reading the thread, I don't know why she wouldn't do anything during the night. My only point is that there has been plenty of stuff going on during the night worth at least discussing imo. If she were to die for example, she dies without giving a more up to date version of her reads, leaving town with a death and not much info to go off of.
That or she meant reading for pleasure and going to work irl? Maybe I completely misunderstood her post idk
I understand what you meant by the post. My complaint is why you specifically mention Ikidomari's post as something "she should have wanted talked about", when Ikidomaris post was made after she peaced out. She might not even have read it yet.
I've pretty much put all my reads on the table, see my reads list + my vca. Caveat: Since Onegu just started posting, and Jesus hasn't returned, those would be my least developed reads. So obviously you should take into consideration future posts by them.
But I'll bring up a point that might be relevant in the future, in case I get lynched.
When we lynched kuragari42, there are two distinct mafia mindsets. Option number 1: Were playing the setup with a doctor (A or C): The mafia will be aware that Kuragari42 is potentially the doctor. They could potentially have revealed this in the way they treated the case.
Example: Trfel #1034
On January 29 2016 09:03 Trfel wrote: Vote count analyses are very different depending on whether or not there is mafia up for lynch.
If all of the wagons were town, mafia doesn't really care what happens. As such, people who seem invested at end of day and care about the lynch are more likely town. If there is mafia up for lynch, then obviously people who voted for the flipped town are more suspicious. But that's very poor preflip association analysis to simply assume that mafia wanted Kuragari42 to be lynched.
I thought that Kuragari42 had slipped blue and/or was claiming blue, in which case it's always incorrect to lynch him. When I looked at his filter more carefully, this wasn't the case, so I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting. It didn't feel like Kuragari42 was trying to help further town and help catch scum, but instead just state his reads for the record. In retrospect, this isn't very alignment indicative.
Tumblewood wasn't going to get lynched, and I already explained my reasons for scumreading him as well as I could. I don't really think that JesusIncarnate is mafia.
Him thinking Kuragari42 had slipped blue, could be indicative of him being mafia, and knowing were playing setup A) or C).
Option number 2: Were playing the setup without a doctor (B or D): The mafia will be aware that Kuragari42 IS FOR SURE TOWN. Mafia once again, might be inclined to reveal this by the way they treat the case.
Example: nooniansong #843
On January 29 2016 02:35 nooniansoong wrote: I think kura townslipped. Aka dumbtell
So once we know which setup were playing in. Make sure to go back and analyze how players treated the case against Kuragari42 with this in mind. For now the only town aligned players who know that there's a doctor in the game or not is the doctor/veteran, these players could at this point use it to influence their reads (without stating it explicitly). Obviously, by using my logic the behavior I pointed out could also be indicative of the player being blue roles.
So use this information to whatever degree or purpose you see fit. This post only helps mafia if they havent thought of it themselves + certain criteria are met.
Interesting and fun game. Though I wish I had gotten to actually play some more. Glad that at least one of the people I called out for lack of reading comprehension turned out to be scum.
Glad that I #BelievedInMyself for my final reads post, because I had considered putting Shapelog in town just cause. But as I said I couldn't do that in good conscience.
Sucks that I was wrong about Trfel.
It's a shame Onegu and Eden scared Darth into lynching Onegu because of their dick measuring contest.
Also props to shapelog for playing a memebased scum playstyle.
On February 10 2016 07:40 Shapelog wrote: GG to my fellow players and coachs. Special thanks to our teams Coach slam, and to Tumble and Ikido (honestly, if it was not for them we would of not won.)
Salt in the god damn wound. I think out of all the people in the game you're the one I'd hate losing to the most.
The point/joke I was trying to make turned out to be difficult to convey through text.
You were not being rude at all. I'm just lamenting how you continue putting "of" instead of "have" after "would". It's unintentionally taunting me and irreparably damaging my ego! Have mercy!
And for the record I think you were my second favorite player this game (from a spectating viewpoint), for spam + meme + venn diagram reasons. With noon taking the number one spot for passion reasons:
On February 02 2016 00:22 nooniansoong wrote: Shape, let's talk man to man. You know when you have a scumteam in mind, and you are SO sure of it. Except then you're usually wrong. That's how I feel, but I know I'm right. All my mafia experience and everything in this game is pointing to me being right. I try to recognize my own confirmation bias and eliminate it. But in this case I know I'm right more than I've ever known anything in mafia ever.
I need your support in lynching scott or trfel. Scott might be an easier lynch, and it will implicate trfel due to how hard he's defended him.
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