EPTNewbie Student Mafia XIX - Page 4
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Whats happened? I'm assuming you're not gonna tell me. But I should at least point it out to the town. | ||
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Also to the rest of town: If claims happen, be ready to change your lynchvotes accordingly. Not much time left, so things might happen quickly. | ||
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On January 29 2016 04:31 _MexicanAlien wrote: A claim would be pointless though....right? Because he if he was Townie: He would claim Vanilla Townie If he was Mafia: He would claim to be Vanilla Townie + Show Spoiler + or *insert blue role*. To seem valuable. If he was *Blue Role*: He should claim Vanilla Townie. + Show Spoiler + since claiming to be a blue role would not only be very suspicious, it would be counterproductive. The Mafia would now know one of the blues I agree with point nr. 1. I agree that as mafia he could go either way. Since it seems very probable that he's about to get lynched, I think a blue role would claim here. A blue role should not let himself get lynched by any means neccesary. Claiming is the last resort, but worth it if the alternative is certain death. I also think a blue role would've defended himself more adamantly, so that he might avoid having to claim. | ||
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On January 29 2016 04:33 Kuragari42 wrote: READS: Slight Town: PeppermintTea - While I am not in complete agreement with everything they have said/done, I have gotten a pretty steady townie vibe from them. Trofl - While originally his questions bothered me and made me lean slightly scum, I now see that each of them had a point. Shapelog - His reads/refutations are sort of out-of-the-box yet still have sense and I am in agreement with a lot of his logic. darthfoley - I was suspicious of his early game but I did not scum-read him, I just wasn't content with the strong town-reads on him. Quite a few of his posts mid-game were pretty good. I'd say if this list was ordered he would be pretty low TR. Slight Scum: Eden - His posts are not aligned with how I expect a experienced town player to post. Pretty low SR. Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR. I'm largely responsible for you being in this position, what do you think of me? | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:05 Eden1892 wrote: I guess we can lynch this guy for his reads. If this guy flips town then slap all the dummies voting him because of a "slip" that for sure wasn't one (probably) But those reads make no sense with the game state. His scum reads are inconsistent as a team (me and Iki are never ever partners) and the reasoning on them is shoddy and just borrowed from what other people are saying. So are the town reads. The whole thing is just right in line with popular town sentiments with nothing firm said either way (it's almost all leans and nothing committed). I like Iki the best because I'm pretty confident in my initial impression of his posting. But this Kura guy is a fine lynch too based on those reads. If that guy flips town, there's no probably about it, it just can't a scum slip at that point. Or do you mean something else? It's a little unclear what the (probably) refers to. It's odd that I'm his biggest scumread, but he has 0 words to go along with it. Especially when he's on the verge of death. | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:12 Kuragari42 wrote: ##Vote:Tumblewood Surprised you wouldn't vote for Jesus, since it seems like the most viable strategy for you to not get lynched. Since he's your primary competition, lynchwise. | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:27 Kuragari42 wrote: A townie lynch v. a townie lynch.. Jesus claims that he is some super-mafia-guru so I figure out of the two of us, town would benefit more from him being alive. What. If you're town. You can't know for sure if either of them are town. And any lynch other than yourself would be preferable, thus it makes sense to push the most viable alternate wagon. | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:41 Eden1892 wrote: The presumption of innocence in a court of law is to prevent government overreach and abuse of power. No such analogue exists in mafia. We operate on probabilities and are solely guided by the truth -- we have no ulterior motivations to punish people for its own sake. There is no reason to presume innocence by default in this game. Citing that phrase is tantamount to handwaving needing a reason to call someone town. It also has to do with the fact that the imprisonment of an innocent person is considered a much grosser injustice than a free guilty person. At least where I'm from. | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:54 Trfel wrote: I'm actually starting to get cold feet.... I'm inherently afraid to fail. Be it by townreading mafia or scumming town, but looking at the events leading up the lynch reassures me. | ||
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Here are Kuragaris reads: On January 29 2016 04:33 Kuragari42 wrote: READS: Slight Town: PeppermintTea - While I am not in complete agreement with everything they have said/done, I have gotten a pretty steady townie vibe from them. Trofl - While originally his questions bothered me and made me lean slightly scum, I now see that each of them had a point. Shapelog - His reads/refutations are sort of out-of-the-box yet still have sense and I am in agreement with a lot of his logic. darthfoley - I was suspicious of his early game but I did not scum-read him, I just wasn't content with the strong town-reads on him. Quite a few of his posts mid-game were pretty good. I'd say if this list was ordered he would be pretty low TR. Slight Scum: Eden - His posts are not aligned with how I expect a experienced town player to post. Pretty low SR. Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR. On January 29 2016 04:52 Kuragari42 wrote: Continued reads... Slight Scum: Ikidomari - His posts seem contorted and I tend to find lynch begging a scum (or at the very least anti-town) thing to do. This also fits in with my slight scum read on Eden if Shape's recent lines of post are correct. Town Lean: Mexican, noon, Onegu. Scum Lean: Alur. I honestly have no clue: Jesus. Time to look at who voted on Kura for scummy or vague reasons (+timing). | ||
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On January 29 2016 06:35 Shapelog wrote: Fuck! Why do i listen to my Gut? oh well, at least we did accomplish somethings by his death. Ikindo is my direction heading into tomorrow. Might post a synopsis of why he needs to get lynched in case I get NKed before the cycle ends. I thought Ikidomari was your gut vote? On January 29 2016 03:46 Shapelog wrote: God dammit I am so Torn right now. If only I could vote two people... I am half tempting to try to find a loophole to where i can vote both my top scum reads for todays lynch. But considering how i like the Shining (CoHost) and Prince Lonemeow (host) I will not. I think I going to vote with my gut and ##Vote: Ikidomari Though IMO both him and Kuga are up for it. Also Jesus considering the points made against him. | ||
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If we assume mafia helped push the wagon, it would've happened at a point where it wasn't obvious that the lynch would go through, so were talking the first 4 ish votes. Which would be me, Darth, PMT and Trfel. Trfel coming in as the fourth looks pretty suspicious, considering I was leaning towards him being scum. But then theres this, thing (this is how Trfel acts on the Kura vote) On January 29 2016 03:06 Trfel wrote: I mean, mechanically speaking: The best play is to simply not talk about this any more and just not lynch Kuragari42. The reason for this is that time will make this more clear than any amount of analysis, since in time more information about power roles is revealed. Further, talking about this more only gives mafia additional information. Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation, which is also possible, I suppose. Followed by: On January 29 2016 03:15 Trfel wrote: I guess I was misinterpreting the situation. ##unvote ##vote Kuragari42 There is no mafia motivation for saying the bolded part, but when you just "jk" it, it could appear like he's just trying to gain some sort of deniability, especially when combined with the "I think I'm getting cold feet". But PMT and Darth (who could potentially be pocketing me) aren't clear of suspicion either. I just don't have much to hinge that suspicion on currently. Also I'm not sure I understand Edens motivation for joining the wagon last minute. He didn't actually need to vote for it to happen. It seems like it could be a ploy to gain some towncred, because mafia don't need to touch the wagon anymore at that point. He also tried to discredit Kuragari's reads (who scumread him). I think noon actually looks kind of spooky now, in the world where he has too much information his play makes a lot of sense. He was quick to disagree with it being a scumslip (which he was right on), he made a big point of forcing Kuragari to claim (which looks towny, but it's sort of an obvious move). All while his vote was parked on a player (albeit a reasonable lynchtarget) who is one of the biggest lynchbaits. Without really pushing that specific lynch. I think I kind of like mexican for sticking with his lynch. He presented which players he would be able to lynch, and didn't back down on his reads to join the Kura bandwagon. This also coincides with the fact that he's a townread of mine. Some of this might be tinfoily, but that's because there aren't any conclusions that are staring me in the face. | ||
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Of all the newbies you and me have the most similar mafia experience, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to relate to you. | ||
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