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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 17:23 GMT
#495
On January 28 2016 01:31 Onegu wrote:
Trfel 100% scum. Confirmed now. You are welcome.


WHY
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 18:13 GMT
#512
On January 28 2016 02:42 Trfel wrote:
Fine. Next time, please don't assume that you know everything.

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).

What could be wifom and why is it wifom?
FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 10:01 Alur wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).

What could be wifom and why is it wifom?
FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.


3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:

Why is it scummy to be casual?



Going forward:

Talk about other players.

On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Is anyone else here seeing a pattern?


Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed.

He already explained it I think.

Firstly #2 states: "The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!"

So yes, the mafia does know the setup.

MexicanAlien posted:
On January 27 2016 07:23 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Yes why talk about blue roles? This could possibly give the scum information. This may or may not help them but we shouldn't unwittingly give them any more


To me, this post suggests that MexicanAlien was not aware of the fact that mafia knows the setup. If he was mafia, he would know that mafia knew the setup. I think, it's WIFOM because it could be a gambit to make himself seem town.

Regarding being casual:
Not necessarily scummy, especially early on day 1. But when I look through his filter he seems too content on just making casual conversation (for my taste), but it's only as strong as any day 1 read can be, which is a caveat that I don't feel the need to post with my every read. I was also hoping for him to defend himself.

Regarding the pattern:
I don't think he explained it. He talks about a bunch of stuff after #235, but I can't tell if the observations he makes are different/unrelated to the pattern he claims to have seen in #235.

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On January 27 2016 10:10 nooniansoong wrote:
alur yeah that point about MA makes sense.
What was nooniansoong trying to say by the last quote? Alur's conclusion about _MexicanAlien wasn't very clear, because when he explained it, he said that he thinks it's WIFOM, and WIFOM isn't alignment indicative. It seems that Alur feels that _MexicanAlien is town for reasons that are partially WIFOM, but it's not completely clear. Furthermore, what is nooniansoong saying when he says that the point makes sense? Does this mean that he understands it, or agrees with it? The two are very different things.


hi trfel.
I interpreted Alur to mean the following, and I thought it made sense:
MA thought you shouldn't discuss role setup because it would help scum.
That could be a dumbtell. Mafia is told the setup, but town only knows mafia is told the setup if they read the rules carefully. (For instance, I did not know mafia knew the setup).
But on the oher hand mafia could be wifoming you by pretending they didn'tknow.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 18:17 GMT
#513
On January 28 2016 03:10 Onegu wrote:
@Kush Its in my filter why he is scum. He is only asking questions and giving little to no follow up on the questions he was asking.


Yes, but he's doing it in a conspicuous but delibrate way. Almost like he is using this point the game to gather as much info as possible, and before EoD he will synthesize all that information into reads.

If Trfel were scum, he would think to himself "I shouldn't be asking so many questions because that looks scummy."
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 18:20 GMT
#515
On January 28 2016 03:18 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Could everyone, please, in their next post, even if they have done it already, simply state your top three mafia suspects?

Only if you are willing. I just want motives to be clearer.

Top three suspects in order.
If you want to include reasoning feel free.

Thank you


1) onegu
2) secret
3) secret
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 18:32 GMT
#519
I wish Jesus spoke english better.

On January 27 2016 22:17 JesusIncarnate wrote:
lol people like eden are falling for the simple mafia strat for noobs "I will act stupid and hope people townread me"

Here he is assuming Eden is town, yet he also says:
Eden is up in the air for me. trfel seems pretty town to me. other people i honestly dont care about.

nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 21:02 GMT
#558
On January 28 2016 06:01 darthfoley wrote:
Pepperminttea is now in my town list

I concur. That is a very good point about tumblewood.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 22:15 GMT
#583
Dunno about onegu.

Next level scumread on alur. Don't ask for reasons.

Dunno about not. Sheanout(Wiki).
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 22:19 GMT
#585
On January 28 2016 07:17 Kuragari42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 07:15 nooniansoong wrote:
Dunno about onegu.

Next level scumread on alur. Don't ask for reasons.

Dunno about not. Sheanout(Wiki).


"Reads without reasons are useless."

I agree. Only reason I said it is if I'm I right I can brag about being right d1
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 22:27 GMT
#588
##unvote
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 23:04 GMT
#591
Trfel looks solid to me. Eden is scum though. I am almost sure of that.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 23:08 GMT
#595
On January 28 2016 08:07 Trfel wrote:
EBWOP: Why is Eden1892 scum? I don't care about why I'm town.

Also, I really do think that Tumblewood is town, but I would really appreciate him answering my question, since I could be wrong.

Why did you vote for him then...
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 27 2016 23:11 GMT
#597
the only purpose giving reasons would be to help clear myself as town.
eden is not gonna get lynched today.
i dont want to give him tips for how to look more townie.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 00:34 GMT
#623
alur no. because if i tell you why you're scum hypothetically you could fix what you are doing that makes you look scummy which would make you harder to lynch down the line.

That's what I like to tell myself. But the reality is that all my reads are based on vague paranoia rather than reasoning.

I second guessed myself on onegu and PMT.

I guess i'd be most comfortable with voting for Jesusincarnate because he was treating eden like assumed town then he says eden is up in the air. See my earlier post on the matter.

@trfel Play like you would normally play imo. Right now you are acting condescendingly towards the poor newbs. If you want to look down on the newbs, be a coach. In this game we are their peers.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 01:14 GMT
#635
I think tumble's town but ill let him respond to trfel's case rather than me doing it for him.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 01:18 GMT
#637
jk about my former post.
Trfel u got some problems with your case you need to explain.

On January 28 2016 09:31 Trfel wrote:
Tumblewood explained his read on Shapelog at my request, you can see this explanation here. Here, he describes why he's continuing to scumread Shapelog. However, you can see that all of the posts he quoted are between his first and second longer posts. Note that in the first post, he discounted Shapelog's "strange" play as non alignment indicative, and in the second, he said that Shapelog was scummy because of his extremely scummy play early on (pre page 16). However, the posts that Tumblewood mentions were all after page 16. This explanation isn't possible.


Tumble doesn't say shape is NAI in his first post. He says one thing shape does is NAI but overall the read on shape is scummy.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 01:37 GMT
#640
On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:

Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog

My reasoning on Shapelog:

Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:
On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck.

I am not trying to read him lol.
I am just saying there is something he does and as the day(s) goes on I will look for it, if it is absent, I will comment on it. Unless your scum team kills me, in which case i can just use it later on .

and
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 07:55 Shapelog wrote:
On January 27 2016 07:48 _MexicanAlien wrote:
So first shapelog suggests talking about blue roles, then he lists the reason for each blue role to not need help.
Very good reasons.

Yeah i was revising the logic on it after Deathfy posted about it.
Also I am always Sus. on my D1's, Both as Blue and Vt due to my reactive, blah blah blah trolling playstyle
Yet to roll mafia sadly, thought this would be the one =(.

In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before.

nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 01:41 GMT
#642
To me it seems like Tumbwood genuinely believes that calling yourself town is a scumtell. He's wrong but it seems like something someone new might believe.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 01:44 GMT
#644
On January 28 2016 10:40 Trfel wrote:
On phone, but that's not what Tumble said. He said that he wasnt really reading shape as anything except for that specific thing that he mentioned.

And either way, it isn't important to the reasons I gave.

If you have reasons go TR Tumble, please share.


tube says shape's metaread on me was NAI and him calling himself town was scummy.

Later tumble specifies why he thinks SHape is scummier than darth, despite them both implying that themselves are town:
Shapelog is just throwing an accusation out (trying to buddy) without much support at all. You can have a town read with few posts, and saying someone's trying to buddy in that situation is really off-putting.
He also said many times that he wanted to filter dive certain people or that he wanted to revisit my case on him and never followed up.


The part where he explains why he townreads darth is still incoming. However I believe he asked a question to darth which darth answered so it may have to do with that.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 01:46 GMT
#645
On January 28 2016 10:44 Trfel wrote:
Sure, someone new might believe that. There's nothing wrong with it. Your point?


my point is that if you accept that as an acceptable reason to scumread someone, tumbleweed's reads make perfect sense.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 01:47 GMT
#646
##unvote
##vote jesusincarnate
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