I wrote this before I reread that mafia knows the entire setup of the game. In the last game I played, I was scum and we had a framer, which was only present in 2/4 setups, so we were able to narrow down Blue roles manually. I was thinking that mafia could only get blue role tells from town, because all of their setups were the same. My point is moot, however, because mafia is aware of the full setup from the get go.

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 02:48 GMT

#296

Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you?

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 03:16 GMT

#298

I would agree that Onegu reads town for me so far.

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 04:16 GMT

#312

I promise i'm not 8 and that my vocabulary is simply exquisite

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 04:53 GMT

#318

On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.

Do you have any scumreads?

I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.

I'm a little put off by the fact that you felt like you needed to spend quite a bit of time on your entry post

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 05:25 GMT

#320

Sure. I think that Shapelog's first few posts were pretty bad from a town standpoint. What I mean by that, is that I could see an eager player latching onto Shapelog's questions about the blue roles and believing that he's just being terribly obvious scum.

I didn't think someone would act this suspicious this early in on my first game

I actually disagree with MexicanAlien's read re Shapelog, but I can see why another newer player could interpret it as simply obvious mafia play. If you want to know my reasons, look at my reply to Alur + I don't think an inexperienced mafia player who was on the hot seat right off the bat would respond by continued activity and the longest filter in the game so far.

I hesitate to give MexicanAlien anything more than a slight town read now. I think he's null town lead. I also have some suspicions of my own, but like you, I would prefer to keep them to myself until more people have joined the conversation.

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 05:42 GMT

#323

I don't have strong feelings yet one way or the other. I like that he posted about how I did the same thing as Shapelog, but wasn't getting scrutiny for it. Seems like a town thing to do, rather than pile on the already made target.

Although I think Shapelog has been way more reliant on the "oops i'm noob" posts compared to me, so i'm a little puzzled why those posts wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb, but mine would. Not sure I like the "he's a troll so I have no read on him, even though he has the longest filter so far" argument.

Mixed feelings

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January 27 2016 05:57 GMT

#326

Trfel, if you agree that Shapelog is town read, how do you read MexicanAlien so far?

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 06:08 GMT

#332

Fair point on Kuragari. People who are willing to admit mistakes generally flip town. I at least like that he seemed willing to interact while he was in the thread, and not just post once or twice and peace out.

I've also gone through a similar progression with MexicanAlien

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 06:38 GMT

#346

Onegu, I still don't understand how Alur's point A has anything to do with his read that Shapelog is scummy. His point A is basically arguing that what he did (the Kush meta thing) was a stupid thing to do, because it gives mafia!Kush better prep for his playstyle/defense. But the only two ways it's stupid is if

1) Shapelog is town
2) Shapelog and Noon are both mafia and they're setting up meta shit, which is smart.

How does any of that implicate Shapelog as scum? Maybe i'm missing something huge idk

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 06:47 GMT

#353

On January 27 2016 15:41 Onegu wrote:

Show nested quote +

The way he started talking about meta of a player before the player even posted. Mafia shape could be talking just to talk. Mafia shape could be trying to pocket town kush.

Ah I see what you mean. Meh, it's possible, but I find it unlikely to work because I doubt Kush would give a fuck regardless of his alignment, and Shapelog is all over the place so if I were mafia, I wouldn't be too scared of him (yet?).

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 06:56 GMT

#360

I'll be on for a bit longer. Watching TheSummit mafia games and ich mache mein Deutsch Hausaufgaben ja ja

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 07:11 GMT

#367

Welcome to the thread Eden

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 07:22 GMT

#371

Eden, i've been trying to make exactly the point you just made about Shapelog. The scum Kush meta read thing just makes no sense. I also liked Kush's interaction with Pepperminttea. He is playing a lot more substantively this game imo.

I also think that there was Shapelog mafia pile on, and I'm suspicious of a couple people. I'm interested to see your analysis re p13-14 when you get a chance tomorrow

darthfoley

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January 27 2016 07:26 GMT

#372

Yea I really like these posts from Eden.

He's probably my strongest TR so far.

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January 27 2016 07:32 GMT

#375

It's not just two posts. This reminds me very much of the Eden I just played with, who was very good the whole game.

It was a bit of an exaggeration, but I strongly believe quality > quantity. Idc how long your filter is if it's all shit. Eden is a very good town and I think his logic is quite sound in those posts