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On February 06 2016 05:14 nooniansoong wrote: I would.do you think you should say "thank you" to janitors who come in your office and change your trash? | ||
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Would you mind sharing your thoughts on him right now? Don't go back to look anything up, just share all of the stuff you're thinking about, it doesn't have to have a solid conclusion. I'd just like to see your thought process if possible. | ||
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Sorry I wasn't around more today, I was really busy, but I thought I shared my reasoning throughout the day. His play just felt fairly towny, I didn't see the mafia motivation behind always being present but not actually putting in effort. I still really feel like it's PepperMintTea. Not sure if I'll get a chance to analyze more, but I'll try. | ||
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I believe that we're going into MYLO, but I feel that no lynching is probably stupid, because scum can just hit scott31337 and then if we no lynch again, hit him again to bring us to three player LYLO. It's me, Shapelog, _MexicanAlien, scott31337, and PepperMintTea left right? So they kill one tonight, and then four left, but they'll just kill scott31337 and it will be 3 player LYLO. So, you no lynch if you want more time to figure things out, which is a very valid reason, but otherwise it's not worth it. I would suggest lynching before scott31337 dies so that you have 75% of the votes coming from town instead of 66%, only wait two extra nights if there's a really good reason. But probably just go ahead and lynch, there's no use prolonging it. In general, I feel that reading too much into activity at this point is not the best idea. It's much easier for mafia, knowing that they only need one mislynch to win the game, to ramp up activity/involvement for a short amount of time. So be careful of that. At the same time, it's easy for town to have a bad day or two and end up getting lynched because of it. Don't pay too much attention to activity/investment at LYLO, it's much harder to read into true motivations behind activity, because being lynched means instantly losing for anyone. That said, I do think it's PepperMintTea right now, but I'll try to analyze stuff if I get the chance. | ||
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On February 07 2016 07:22 scott31337 wrote: I mean, if you lynch me I'd be pretty displeased.The game continues... I might wifom myself to insanity, but beyond the votes - I think the biggest clue is why Eden died before Darth - Could it have been a vet who wanted him dead? Iki & Tumble are new, and so is PMT - so I don't think they know him as well as I or Trfel. Hmmm I'm going to ponder and check some stuff tonight. Seeing as I called mafia on Day 1 and then called another mafia on Day 2, and was actively contributing and pushing reads all of Day 2, and then was one of few people actually bringing up new thoughts and trying to figure stuff out this past day, I think I'm pretty obviously town. Then, look at my filter length, which is way larger any any of my previous mafia games, no comparison. And would I really care so much more about this game when I had two teammates that did nothing and forced me to bus them so early on? Eden died because he's the best player in this game, by far. Because he was active, because he was a leader, and because his top scum read was actually mafia. Please don't waste your time investigating me, and I don't think I could bring myself to fight against my lynch at this point because if you're going to lynch me, then you deserve to lose. | ||
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PepperMintTea scott31337 Trfel _MexicanAlien Shapelog I'm town, scott31337 is town because he claimed veteran. One mafia in: _MexicanAlien Shapelog PepperMintTea _MexicanAlien is town because of my super duper special secret read, plus he seems to be invested and involved. For example, his reaction to nooniansoong flipping town and his questioning approach going into End of Day feel towny, it's much easier for mafia to get complacent. Shapelog is town because a 27 page filter is pretty ridiculous and he's questioning and making original thoughts. That leaves PepperMintTea, and there are plenty of reasons to be suspicious of PepperMintTea. I think it's probably just that simple. I'll try and get through PepperMintTea's filter. | ||
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 But PepperMintTea's latest play just feels so separated from the rest of the thread. "I have no idea who the last mafia is but I have a test to find out" after "la di da di da I'll just policy lynch people for a few days straight and wind up in LYLO" is something I have a lot of trouble seeing from town. PepperMintTea doesn't feel invested in the game at all.Like I'm not really seeing an alternative, and this is pretty condemning either way. | ||
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Scum doesn't go "I think that this person is scum and no one else does, here Eden, you said why Shapelog is town, can you explain this to me?" and then let it drop, if Shapelog is a scum buddy. The continual townreads that Tumblewood gives _MexicanAlien seem to really contrast with the continual "I don't have a read"s on PepperMintTea but still being suspicious of people pushing PepperMintTea and soft defending. "I'm going to filter dive PepperMintTea" -> "no read on PepperMintTea, but here's a random question" is pretty interesting. Judging by Tumblewood's filter, where Tumblewood continually refuses to give reads on PepperMintTea and doesn't push PepperMintTea while soft defending PepperMintTea....... makes it fairly clear. Ikidomari's filter seems much harder to read associations from. Drawing associations about any of the remaining players based on his first post feels like a stretch to me. Ikidomari confidently townreads both _MexicanAlien and PepperMintTea, but strangely, PepperMintTea is the one player that he doesn't actually talk about in his second main analysis post (out of two). I actually feel that mafia is less likely to do this, I would have expected mafia to be sure to give a read on their scum buddies (unless they're omitting other reads as well). But it's not as strong of a read. I don't see much from Ikidomari's filter, but Tumblewood's filter feels like yet another reason to scumread PepperMintTea. Shapelog also seems even more towny based on Tumblewood's filter. | ||
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Otherwise my reasons for being suspicious of PMT are in the last few pages of my filter. I can try to summarize them if people would like. | ||
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Good game all. | ||
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Seriously, I was extremely impressed by the play in this game, all around. It's rare to see a newbie game where people actually try to figure things out and interact with each other well. Overall the game had a very positive atmosphere and got a lot of good things done. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:37 Alur wrote: Experience. Experience is so crucial in mafia.Oh, and if anyone has comments/tips about my play they're also welcome to share. I didn't value experience anywhere near enough until I had some. And I bet all of the actual mafia players are laughing at me right now, thinking about all the things that I really ought to know XD Edit: Seriously, though, hope you play again some time. | ||
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On February 11 2016 05:57 kitaman27 wrote: I'm pretty sure that mafia knows the setup, so claiming veteran and claiming generic blue is basically the same thing, no?In that case, a doc (or generic "blue") claim might have worked. The setup guarantees two roles so only mafia could counter-claim and you're still able to soak the hit as a result. | ||
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On February 11 2016 06:36 Alur wrote: The reasons for not lynching scot31337 were very well known.Claiming the way Scott did seems perfectly reasonable. However, town seemed to miss the biggest exonerating fact for Scott, which was nature/timing of Ikidomaris vote on him d1. Had that been brought up he might not have been forced into a position where he needed to claim. Same with the reasons for not lynching nooniansoong. Unfortunately, what really mattered were the reasons for lynching Shapelog, and I wasn't able to figure those out | ||
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Maybe when I realized that my reads are almost always wrong XD Anyway, I'm pretty sure that Eden brought up association with Ikidomari as a reason for Scott being town. | ||
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