Hi.

I wasn't planning on doing much tonight, but I guess I can try to answer questions if anyone has them. I will go to get lunch soon, and I'll be gone for a few hours before End of Night, but otherwise I'll probably be here.

Trfel

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January 17 2016 19:13 GMT

#537

Damdred, I started townreading Holyflare when I was talking to you about him.

I realized that I was being stupid and that my read was bad, so I changed my read to make it correct. If that makes me scum, then that's fine with me.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 17 2016 19:26 GMT

#539

Holyflare didn't do anything differently, I did.

I decided that it would be pretty stupid for Holyflare to play mafia in this way, and that this was more important than the mafia motivation that I was seeing. The mafia motivation also made more sense from a town perspective, the more I thought about it.

My initial read was bad. I mean, do you want me to explain why that read was bad, because I thought that it was obvious?

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 17 2016 19:49 GMT

#541

I know I'm town.

At that point, I was very confident in Holyflare as town. I felt that the way he came back was very towny (at least, it fit the town perspective for him), and especially how my "Holyflare is mafia" hypothesis relied on Holyflare playing to survive. I wouldn't call nearly being lynched on Day 1 a good survival plan as mafia, if Holyflare actually cared to survive he wouldn't cut it anywhere near that close. Basically if he's mafia, then he has no gameplan at all, so it makes so much more sense for Holyflare to be town.

Palmar seemed like the only alternative. A few people that I trusted wanted to lynch him, so I checked through his filter and didn't see the things that made me townread him earlier. And then VisceraEyes (one of the people who knows Palmar best, at least I'm almost positive of this) said that he'd lynch Palmar, so I voted for him.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 17 2016 19:53 GMT

#542

Damdred, are you going to be around for a while?

If not, I'm sorry, but would you mind humoring me and talk about something else for a bit, and come back to me later?

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 17 2016 20:02 GMT

#544

It was just me and DoYouHas who were suspicious of NocturneMage, at least that's what I thought at the time. It seems now that maybe Ace would have voted for him as well, I'm not sure. But it obviously wasn't going to happen.

I wasn't aware that raynpelikoneet had a read on Palmar. I only took notice when raynpelikoneet started saying Palmar was town like a minute before the deadline, but he didn't explain why and there wasn't much I could do at that point.

Even so, I had a townread on VisceraEyes, and I don't really trust people's townreads when I don't understand why they're a strong read.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 17 2016 20:20 GMT

#546

On January 18 2016 05:12 Damdred wrote:
Well what do you think of dyh? Do you think his tr on you is good coming from his position?

I'm kind of thinking that he is town because instead of doing nothing (if Holyflare is town) or lynching me (if Holyflare is mafia), he pushed on NocturneMage. There's no reason why this couldn't come from mafia, however the way he does it feels natural and towny to me, and I'm fine with a town lean on him for now.

I do have a problem with Cephiro's town read of me, though...

On January 17 2016 08:18 Cephiro wrote:
Question for overall thread sentiment since there's still quite a decent amount of votes on Trfel..

I can see how his cases aren't exactly the most rock solid ones, but am I missing something really obvious?
Other than him being somewhat wishywashy, I can't find any ill intent as in intentionally trying to make a player look off worse than what they are. There's a difference between cases not being perfect and cases manipulated with bad intentions, and I honestly don't see the latter when I look at Trfel's play. It doesn't feel coming from mafia at all, being very co-operative, not shitting the thread up while posting a lot (he seems to be trying to create useful discussion or progress the thread in most posts of his?).

So why is he one of the main lynch targets w/ 3 votes?

Going to wait for the NM case(s), and would like to hear more opinions about my case/push on Alot. I still think what I said makes sense, and feel it'd be pretty unnatural for a townie to act as such. Do people really think he has been trying to make things happen instead of contently doing enough to give the impression he's participating?

The things that he says here, while true, are exactly the opposite of why everyone else was scumreading me. It's not like DoYouHas, who townreads me for different reasons, but he townreads me for the exact same things that other people are scumreading me for, with exactly the opposite interpretations. That just seems.... yeah.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 17 2016 20:40 GMT

#548

I'm going through the filters top to bottom, haven't gotten to NocturneMage yet. So I'm not super sure about him yet.

What are your thoughts about ritoky?

+ Show Spoiler [my thoughts] +

I kind of feel like he is town because he really wants to keep his mafia record good, but he's rolled mafia a lot lately and I'm not sure if he suffers from scum fatigue?

And mostly just because every time I townread ritoky, it's wrong T.T But I still want to townread him anyway?

I'm also a bit suspicious of geript, because last time I played with him, he was really really smart. His reads had this special feel to them and they were so insightful. I know he doesn't necessarily play like that every game as town, but here, his reads feel a bit dull, and but he's actually trying. I'm not sure if that makes him mafia or not, but I don't really like it... Thoughts?

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 17 2016 20:48 GMT

#550

I wasn't aware that anyone was townreading Ace?

Trfel

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January 18 2016 00:53 GMT

#608

I did a lot of research but it doesn't matter any more. Sorry NocturneMage.

There was one key thing that made me really hesitant to shoot Cephiro instead.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 18 2016 00:57 GMT

#612

I just didn't have enough time to look through everything I wanted to. I wanted to hold my shot and get more time but I figured I'd need to claim my role to avoid being lynched, and so I felt that I needed to shoot.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 18 2016 01:01 GMT

#616

On January 18 2016 09:59 Damdred wrote:
I don't think you would of been lynched today trfel. You softed super hard at night.

Maybe my trfel reading is getting better at least

To be honest, that was why I didn't directly ask you about NocturneMage. In retrospect that was probably not the best decision, I was probably already caught or wasn't going to be.

What was it that I did? Just trying to figure things out, or did I slip?

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 18 2016 01:11 GMT

#621

Meh, I really don't know about raynpelikoneet. I would instinctively think that he wouldn't use this emotional mixture as mafia, but then again, the only game I played with him where he was mafia I didn't actually read the thread until he replaced out...

I'm probably going to take a break tonight and think about this some more tomorrow. I had a list of four "scummy people": Cephiro, geript, AlotSomuch, and NocturneMage, so I guess that leaves me with three. I guess I should add raynpelikoneet to the list, and I guess I'll check Holyflare again just because he's Holyflare

Side note, is VisceraEyes actually super town? Because I was a bit suspicious of him too. His activity seems a bit higher than normal (barring perhaps Assassination Mafia), but the way he treated his Palmar read was extremely strange to me. Tonally he seems towny, but I've read his town as towny when he was mafia before. So I'm not so sure about him.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 18 2016 01:53 GMT

#636

Good, I voted for the correct "yes".

Trfel

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January 18 2016 02:47 GMT

#648

I'm not sure if I can fairly continue to play this game now

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