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On January 29 2016 11:20 Koshi wrote:
Rels how many charges have you left? And please use all of them tonight imo
Not claiming the exact number. But I have enough to protect the obvious townies.
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On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. ) Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?
On January 28 2016 00:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. ) Wow TT is scum. He makes a list of his reads, and is convinced the 3 people at the bottom are scum. We know he is that sure because of this sentence: Show nested quote +
Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.
"I've got two scums above", meaning the 3 below are 100% scums. So if he's town, he's abolutely sure Onegu disfo and me are scums. But reading the spoilers: Show nested quote +
1. disformation ( Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.)
3. Rels (I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for)
4. Onegu (honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.)
So for all of these reads he states variations of "I need to check his filter". This is not how townie operate: here TT is giving his reads BEFORE doing the filter dives that should conclude in his reads. He is preparing his reads progression without doing the work to back them up. In short, they are fabricated. Furthermore, where is GB in all this ? He's been the scummiest player for a long time and he doesn't appear in this post.
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I'm kinda not caring for the game since it's already won. Palmar Superbia Koshia and I are town. I will protect them all tonight, so they can't be killed; so the only possible kill out of the obvious townies is me, which:
1 - is the best kill among the obvious townies since some people suspects me
2 - only happens if disfo is scum anyway, since if he's town he protects me while I protect the other.
We're just going to CPR kill / lynch all the remaining person in the game until the win.
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On January 29 2016 18:52 Palmar wrote:Rels you sexy dog 
no u
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Ok my reads are super bad this game ...
I bluffed my prots. I only protected superbia. He wasn't attacked.
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On January 30 2016 08:19 Palmar wrote:
it's 2vs5 or 3vs4
depending on if gb was mafia.
so it's 4-5 townies left.
GB was 99% scum so its super likely 2v5.
TT is scum, copcake probably is. Sicklucker might be too
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On January 30 2016 08:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 08:27 Rels wrote:
Ok my reads are super bad this game ...
I bluffed my prots. I only protected superbia. He wasn't attacked. All protection lists from the start of the game pls.
Palmar superbia sl disfo
Palmar superbia
Superbia
So I have one charge left.
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Alright going back to party. Will be there tomorrow evening to solve the fucking game since scums don't want to shoot each other.
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SEE YOU TOMORROW FRIENDS
PEACE ON YOU
EXCEPT THE SCUMS YOURE ALREADY DEAD
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On January 30 2016 09:26 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 09:16 sicklucker wrote:
3. Rels malcolm reynolds
8. Tictock garbage role or liar
12. Superbia I forget but obviously town
15. The Shining vig
17. sicklucker confirmed town or has a partner can never mathematically be lynched today
21. CopCake shovel
22. Palmar suspicious list guy
So thats where we are at 3. Can't confirm. 8. Confirmed BH roleblock on town Doc Damdred, Damdred lost a vote. 12. CPR Doc, confirmed on shooting Disfo. 15. Vig confirmed on Alot shot. 17. SL role confirmed on Onegu duel. 21. Confirmed on GB shovel. 22. Palmar confirmed Arrow shot. The only role not really confirmed is Rels, unless I missed him stopping a kp?
You motherfucker don't post for dozen of hours but do'nt take the time to verify info before posting BS:
On January 28 2016 06:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 05:50 Tictock wrote:
Does anybody recall if Dis or Rels claimed any of their night actions?
I'm gunna dig into their filters but I don't remember any claims from them. I don't want to reveal my charge count. I have one info though: either Palmar (bused to Damdred) or Superbia got attacked. So either double stack on Palmar or one prot on Superbia. I thought I would be able to know which one, but all my charges gets taken even if I protect the first person of my list, so I cannot know.
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On January 30 2016 09:28 sicklucker wrote:
No rels is like the only role left with powers thats not confirmed or done anything. I mean hes mafia ... Not one save all game that im aware of
Fuck you. I've stated two times through the thread my save.
So please go to the end of your theory: if I'm not confirmed, what role am I ? I must have picked something that give my team an advantage right ? What do you propose that gives no extra KP, no extra RB, no power suppressed ?
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On January 30 2016 10:26 Palmar wrote:
It's super tempting to flip copcake just to know what gb was
It's super tempting to flip copcake, end of sentence.
GB is like 99% scum it's not worth it to flip copcake just to verify; but we need to kill her 'cause she's still useless.
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On January 30 2016 11:35 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 08:31 Rels wrote:On January 30 2016 08:29 Palmar wrote:On January 30 2016 08:27 Rels wrote:
Ok my reads are super bad this game ...
I bluffed my prots. I only protected superbia. He wasn't attacked. All protection lists from the start of the game pls. Palmar superbia sl disfo Palmar superbia Superbia So I have one charge left. Wait wait wait wait. Rels = scum. Palmar was supposedly bussed with Damdred n2. So Damdred shouldve gotten the protection Palmar would've gotten, since he supposedly got the shot that was directed at Palmar. Can someone who is better informed about bussing double check this? And it didn't look like there was any kp on Super that night so Palmar->Damdred would've been the protect.
I've blocked one KP on either Superbia or Palmar (bussed to Damdred) that night. I cannot know which one was it 'cause I protected Superbia first, both charges were used (and I got one back), and both charges would have been used even if Superbia was the protect.You could have learned this reading my filter.
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I'm caught up, but not available to play right now. Meet me this evening if you wanna talk. And I swear if one more person goes "OH RELS DIDNT PROTECT ANYONE THIS GAME E IZ SCUM" I'm gonna murder him. Read before posting.
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On January 30 2016 22:48 Palmar wrote:
Btw, given Rels' shitty record of protection this game he is probably mafia.
I protected one hit N2.
My bluff was probably the reason keir died instead of you N3.
So, very kindly, shut up.
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On January 31 2016 00:16 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 22:23 Rels wrote:On January 30 2016 09:28 sicklucker wrote:
No rels is like the only role left with powers thats not confirmed or done anything. I mean hes mafia ... Not one save all game that im aware of Fuck you. I've stated two times through the thread my save. So please go to the end of your theory: if I'm not confirmed, what role am I ? I must have picked something that give my team an advantage right ? What do you propose that gives no extra KP, no extra RB, no power suppressed ? you should go through your night actions more. you listed them but you didnt account for any missing kp in your posts for potential saves
OK tell me what I could have done better:
N1 I didn't say anything to keep my charge number in the unknown.
N2 I protected one of Palmar (=> Damdred) or Superbia and claimed it once I had the confirmation I couldn't know which one.
N3 I claimed all my prots.
What are your advice there ?
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On January 31 2016 02:24 Palmar wrote:
Btw to further explain why we lynch TT:
I do not have an overly strong conviction someone is mafia right now. There's no 100% mafia player right now. Keirathi is a good player though and he seemed very convinced TT is scum. I read his case and I think it is good.
Generally it's a good idea to sheep very convinced good townies who sound like they're making sense. Unless someone has a slam dunk mafia case this is by far our best play right now.
TT is my preferred lynch as well. What did you think of my post on him ?
I only skimmed what keir said yesterday, will read that.
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On January 30 2016 06:12 Keirathi wrote:So, before the deadline, someone talk with my about Tictock. He's probably scum because: 1) Slip Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 09:17 Tictock wrote:On January 27 2016 09:09 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2016 09:05 Tictock wrote:On January 27 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:On January 27 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:
Super being RB'd just means mafia wanted to stop him from saving/killing anyone.
Implying that the RB happened to save me is silly kus he claimed who he would shoot at the last second.
Not like it helps prove I'm town, but it def doesn't confirm me as mafia. Who do you think is the most likely to have blocked me, and why? It guess GB, it's weird that he was pretty adamant about never claiming, then suddenly claimed last night. Though tbh it's interesting that this is the 2nd time that you claim to shoot and it doesn't happen. I also get the benefit of knowing that you've only tried to kill town so far this game. I disagree that Super and Rels are confirmed town, hell I'm still not sure I really trust Palmar. Koshi and SL I'm fairly convinced are town. I'm also pretty convinced Disformation and Keir are town. That's where I'll make my start for looking over people today. explain right now why you are more sure on SL than me. SL tried to say I'm definitly mafia because FF said me and Kita were a team, but then started to mix things and and said that Kita was the one who was saying I was on a team with FF. If he was scum I don't think he'd flip the names around like that kus he'd actually know who is on his team.
You are pretty unlikely having cased Vivax and Kita early on, could still be that you are scum on the other team though. Like Koshi said scumhunting doesn't really confirm you town in this setup kus for all we know your only scumhunting for one team. His phrasing there implies TMI. 2) Weird read progression on Onegu Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. ) Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 14:11 Tictock wrote:
Eh my misgiving's about Superbia are probably being influenced by OMGUS.
Gunna yolo predict this game is
Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent) Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 14:21 Tictock wrote:On January 27 2016 14:11 Tictock wrote:
Eh my misgiving's about Superbia are probably being influenced by OMGUS.
Gunna yolo predict this game is
Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent) For now I'm gunna just assume this is god teir reads and vote Onegu to get rid of his role and keep the teams balanced. ##Vote: Onegu I already said what was wrong with this here, and here in that chain of quotes. 3) This post: Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 13:02 Tictock wrote:On January 29 2016 12:56 Keirathi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:52 Koshi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. ) Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why? I do. I said why here: On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe. To expound - You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together. And you vote Onegu? Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil. Doesn't sound very believable to me. Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck. That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia. The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it??? Don't be salty that I was totally off about his teammates but still correctly lynched your scumbuddy. I had already said that stuff yesterday, and was just repeating it again having a conversation with koshi. Why didn't he have a problem with it THEN, but does NOW? And I obviously wasn't acting 'salty', so what was the point of jabbing at me like that?
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So, because of the slip and the way his reads on Kita/Vivax changed (he had Kita as scum all the way through draft phase and day 1, then mysteriously after koshi launched his nuke, Kita was in his town reads, for Vivax during day 1 he started calling Vivax scum a few times, but didn't vote for him until the wagon was basically unstoppable), I think it's fairly likely that he is on a team with them.
Which leads me to believe FF and Onegu were on the other team.
So: kita/vivax/TT/?? vs FF/Onegu/??/??
I think that probably puts disfo on the FF/Onegu team. Them having Watson and Moriarty would give them a good position to lie about any of FF's checks (by claiming FF was insane, whether he was or not. FF could just do whatever and always had an excuse to never have a useful result), and let disfo try to keep them alive at night.
Still trying to work out who the last two would be. GB/Cake seem almost too easy.
OK that is super good and probably the reason he died. Let's murder TT.
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On January 30 2016 07:58 Keirathi wrote:
I'm tracking Cake, despite me just saying that I don't think she's the same as the scum!Cake i played with because I'm jut not sure. The setting is too different, she obviously has less time, etc. So getting hard data, even if it doesn't PROVE anything, rather than just some maybes.
OK so copcake couldn't be a KP carrier yesterday. TT has to be the one that killed keir.
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