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On January 23 2016 10:02 kitaman27 wrote: Following players seem unlikely to be paired with Vivax: Palmar - Picked up on the early post from him that was bad and then Vivax tried to appease him towards end with town read. disfo - Consistent mafia read on vivax during the first 72 hours and had the case which summarized things pretty well sicklucker - It would be really suboptimal to reveal the missing busdriver when Vivax is going to be a prime candidate here. superbia - Suggested we use the gambler plan on Vivax during planning phase and then lists him as priority lynch later I thought about including damdred on the list for essentially hard defending him towards the end. If they were buddies, he almost certainly isn't going to save him with 30 minutes left and he would look worse for doing so. It seems like he might have actually thought Vivax was town. Following players look worse after flip: onegu - He never mentions Vivax all game and then shows up near the end with these posts that soft defend him by suggesting that we're lynching him based on the role, rather than the fact that he was really scummy. Breshke - If he acknowledges that the disfo case is sufficient to lynch Vivax, why is he asking me about him? It's kind of hard to explain, but if he has already made his mind up, why is he coming to me to validate his read. If I say I'm lynching Vivax for different reasons than disfo, then he vote Vivax. If I say I'm lynching Vivax for the same reasons as disfo, then he votes Vivax. Seems like a buddy attempt or something. copcake - She responds sarcastically when Vivax brings her up, but she doesn't actually share a scum read on Vivax which I felt was strange since it seemed like she was suggesting that. Alotsomuch - No quotes here but he goes all game without really even mentioning Vivax and then just shows up to vote him without adding anything at all. Seems real complacent. Koshi - Both defends Vivax directly by explaining why he is town and indirectly by strongly pushing the onegu counter-wagon. This would be pretty irrelevant though if onegu is scum too I guess. Following players are mafia: Kita | ||
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On January 23 2016 10:05 The Shining wrote: You have a 13 page filter. I don't wanna have to filter five a TR just to find his TRs. Halp. Also I don't understand Cop not wanting to claim her role after claiming its a mysterious challenger role. Afaik none of them are particularly strong and she's not BH, which narrows it down slightly. Someone else will do it and I'll be dead. You will be lynched if you shoot a townie. good luck | ||
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On January 23 2016 10:06 kitaman27 wrote: lol you're so obnoxious only to mafia, I'm quite friendly to townies. | ||
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On January 23 2016 10:24 The Shining wrote: Palmar if you're so adamant about some of your scumreads(Kita, Damdred) and you're afraid of dying tonight, why haven't you put your money where your mouth is and Arrowd someone? I can do that? | ||
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basically the wording is vague. I need to "have my list" first, which means submitting it is a night action, if I understand it correctly. also if I shoot at night it's resolved with night actions (ie: I can be roleblocked) but if I do it during day it's instant. | ||
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On January 24 2016 00:07 geript wrote: I think I've figured out what I'm going to do. It might be bad. Idk. I'm tired what role are you again? | ||
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The case against Kitaman27 Remember Palmar from Outlaw mafia? Man that guy was a dick. He shot all the people who were right and argued his way out of a lynch with the rest. This game the guy who has the potential to do this is Kitaman. He's a very good player who would basically always be considered top tier if he played more. He is especially good at town. What all the angry people (rayn, koshi etc) who think town played terribly in Outlaw fail to realize, is that it's their own damn fault for not leaving a rock-solid conclusive case behind that I couldn't argue against. I'm not going to make their mistake, this case will be a comprehensive reasoning Kitaman27 is mafia. Part 1: Kita's original scumread on Vivax This is both the best part about the case, and also the most difficult one to understand. I'll try to use small words for the benefit of certain people. Vivax posted the post that immediately revealed him as mafia (well, not immediately, but it became clear he didn't follow up at all on it. This is the particular post: On January 20 2016 00:55 Vivax wrote: Picking 1 1, obviously a lie. Obviously the truth. Pretty much sums up why this shitty number claiming strat won't do jack. After this, Kita had a "discussion" with Vivax On January 20 2016 00:58 kitaman27 wrote: Well based on the pick order, you basically have an idea of what every single player picked by day one. Essentially claiming the numbers reduces the odds of overlap, while mafia knows what each other is picking so they can avoid it already. Like a few games ago, like 6 players chose [9] or something stupid like that. What's the disadvantage Vivax? Vivax responded to this with: On January 20 2016 01:26 Vivax wrote: You dont know if its truthful what anyone claims and if it is then mafia can pretty much pick the sweet numbers to at least have 1 of their members pick first, I think. So this was the extent of their conversation and posts about each other until I joined the thread about 2 or 3 hours later. The important part is that Vivax wouldn't go on to post anything more for a long time. I basically saw Vivax's post and immediately called him out as mafia, then Kitaman decided to agree with me, without having shown no inclination towards calling Vivax mafia in the previous interaction. On January 20 2016 03:36 kitaman27 wrote: Vivax was the first person that I picked out as mafia too. Shows up to complain about something, but doesn't do anything about it. The point is that what was originally just a reason to put a pretty mild question on Vivax became a pretty strong scumread without Vivax doing anything in the meantime. And the first sentence in Kita's post is the important one. He CLAIMS that he had already picked out Vivax as mafia, so why didn't he do anything about it??? It's also important to notice that if you go to Kita's filter you can see that while he consistently called Vivax mafia he was never actively trying to lynch him. He wasn't yelling for the lynch in the same way I do. There is no way a town Kita cares so little about the lynch. Part 2: Kita's case on me On January 21 2016 08:40 kitaman27 wrote: Let me show you why this is so, so, so wrong. Palmar's plan: Koshi, damdred, and kitaman27 are free for all picks that are instructed to pick a role above them in the list to PROVE the players above us actually take a role that they want. Result: Koshi, damdred, and kitaman27 wind up as Mysterious challengers because they were idiotic enough to pick a role that was already selected. BUT AT LEAST WE VERIFIED 3 PICKS, RIGHT GUYS? Kita's plan: Koshi picks his assigned power role damdred picks his assigned power role kita picks his assigned power role Result: Between those three roles we now have 1x watcher 2x tracker 2x protection 1x nuke 1x secondary lynch 1x parity cop 1x alignment cop So what's more important, all those abilities or verifying that 3 people above us took the roles they promised (which has no alignment indicative information. Even if a player takes their assigned role, they still could be mafia) I have already explained why having the checks is important and far better. Also I want everyone to understand that I put shady, experienced players on the check roles because I wanted to fucking deny them roles. I wanted them to just become MC at random. But more importantly, even if he doesn't agree with me, it doesn't make me mafia. Nothing he says in the first part of the case makes me mafia. On January 21 2016 08:40 kitaman27 wrote: No they really can't. For a mafia player to "pick whatever they want", that means that the role can't already have been chosen by another player. If they pick above another player, then they are denying the player below, that player claims and we have a combination of role checks, the kitaman27 role, and trackers to figure out who it was. So that leaves the list of roles that go unpicked. They're almost all trash: Hero - Picked by VA anyways Puppeteer - Useless for mafia Dimensional Lemming - Useless for mafia Speaker for the Dead - Useless for mafia Artanis - Useless for mafia GreYMisT - Useless for mafia because it only delays things for 12 hours. Janitor - 1 shot use and can't be used on the lynch. Not a high priority Copycat - Not a priority Tommy the Fireman - Okay mafia role, but not a Psy - If he uses his ability, it confirms he is in the game and we get him by role check, track or kitaman27 Alchemist - A delayed 1 shot vig? meh I suppose it is useful for mafia, but not a huge priority pick to justify breaking the plan Yu Narukami - Kinda useful role, but I suggested that it be picked in my post so it wouldn't be open Knight Artorias - Strong mafia role Essentially there is one mafia role that is worth grabbing and we have sicklucker's honest check on that one. Furthermore, since all role selections are basically public, you are responsible for your actions. Say the tracker decides that they are going to "undermine" your plan and grab a different role. They still gotta say who they visited each night, their tracker results etc. So essentially lie each night about their action. It's not worth the mafia risk. Again a bunch of plan talk, none of which makes me mafia. On January 21 2016 08:40 kitaman27 wrote: The fact that you're trying to take my clearly superior plan and justify it as a reason that I'm mafia is preposterous. Earlier in the game you mentioned that town's objective is to maximize the amount of blue roles we get. Yet here you are pushing a plan where there players are doing "honest checks". When I edit your plan to maximize the blue roles it makes me scum? That's laughable. Palmar is mafia So finally, here is the part that actually "makes me mafia". Notice how he wrote a massive case and nothing in it was actually about me being mafia. It was just a giant argument that his clearly shitty plan was somehow better than mine because it gave scummy people roles. My plan focused exactly on getting town as many blue roles as possible  I just didn't want scum to get them too!There is literally no way kita believes that me being convinced that my plan is better like this somehow means I'm mafia. It's entirely possible he's bad and genuinely (irrelevant of his alignment) thinks that his plan is better, but there is no way he believes it makes me mafia. It was a giant ass fake case based on nothing. Literally flinging shit to see if it sticks. Also, just like the Vivax read, I don't feel like he made a strong push to actually lynch me. In fact I don't think Kita has passionately pushed anyone this game. It's just some shitty lists of 3-5 people thrown together as maybe mafia. Part 3: Various other things
Part 4: Suggestions on how to deal with Kita in the future if I'm dead
I hope you all enjoyed my case on Kitaman27. He is always mafia this game no matter what he says. If this game ends and he's still alive there will be killings. Good Luck! | ||
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On January 24 2016 07:12 kitaman27 wrote: GUYS GUYS. I have an idea. Palmar can fix his case on me and balance will be restored to the thread. Mafia | ||
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On January 24 2016 08:53 VayneAuthority wrote: Kitaman one of the best players on this site is still alive after N1 and you guys are worrying about killing my weak role :D I am officially best player and also alive. | ||
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On January 24 2016 08:53 Superbia wrote: (protip: he's hero) yeah but he happens to be on my list, I can just take him out now | ||
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I tried to put people likely to die along with people likely to be mafia and possibly set to deliver kills on my list. | ||
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