On January 11 2016 07:53 mderg wrote:
Well, kush is producing less content than the last game I've played with him. And even in that game he was not producing enough content for me. I can definitely see where you're coming from.

This sequence confuses me. If kush is playing similarly to his last town game, then what does it matter what his content level is, mderg?

Why did you switch your vote?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 11 2016 04:48 GMT

#783

On January 11 2016 08:53 Eden1892 wrote:
Think my priority is:
(1) figure out how I feel about VA and Kush
(2) figure out this GiygaS/Tubesock thing
**(3) paranoid lynch ray way down the line because he's the only player here good enough as scum for me to totally whiff on.

(** 3 may not apply and I plan for it not to)

On January 11 2016 13:34 Eden1892 wrote:

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This sequence confuses me. If kush is playing similarly to his last town game, then what does it matter what his content level is, mderg?

Why did you switch your vote?

.....

Are you actually going to figure out what you said you would or do something else?

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 11 2016 04:52 GMT

#784

I'm doing what I think I need to do to figure out the game.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 11 2016 04:55 GMT

#785

On January 11 2016 10:15 Tubesock wrote:
I am curious to hear if there is a single one of you with a TR on me.

So, you all think I am mafia.
Boxerfred flipped Roleblocker.

That means mafia preferred to save me instead of him. Which would be insanely dumb if I were goon.

So, I would have the horrific bad luck to roll Godfather (framer possible) for the 4th game in a row.

That doesn't make sense, or like.. you should not use this as a defense.

Since it's perfectly possible you are mafia given you not voting for your counter-wagon, which kinda is -- if you are town, throwing the game, since you know you are town and you cannot know for sure if boxerfred is town, not to even mention you didn't even think he is town.

So yeah, it makes perfect sense in case you are for example vanilla mafia. To try to get NOT the mafia roleblocker lynched. If you are mafia with any of kush/VA/scott -- it makes sense, because there was nothing more you could do. So please, don't even try to play the "it doesn't make sense" since it's simply untrue.

I wanna say though.. that you should not be considered as a lynch on D2 since it is kinda unlike the town had two mafia wagons as main wagons on D1. And you started making more sense after D1 anyways.

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

January 11 2016 04:55 GMT

#786

Why have some people decided mderg is confirmed town?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 11 2016 04:57 GMT

#787

On January 11 2016 13:55 darthfoley wrote:
Why have some people decided mderg is confirmed town?

Because at the end of the day his vote would most likely have been on Tubesock in case he is mafia.
The vote switch means simply nothing because it makes zero sense from mafia perspective, there is just no mafia motivation for the switch.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 11 2016 04:58 GMT

#788

On January 11 2016 13:52 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm doing what I think I need to do to figure out the game.

Don't try to bullshit me. Why do you litrerally say you need to figure out the Tubesock/GiygaS issue and VA/kush, then proceed to do something completely different?

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 11 2016 05:01 GMT

#789

♪shoo fly, don't bother me♪

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

January 11 2016 06:42 GMT

#790

On January 11 2016 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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On January 11 2016 07:32 GiygaS wrote:
READ MY FUCKING EXPLANATION POST GODDAMNIT

on sloosh: posts reads with logic behind them that seems to make sense. Esp. now he seems to be very concerned about where he puts his vote.

on kush: This is admittedly much weaker than sloosh, I kept back and forthing him on my null and towny list while I was making the post. He's basically following the meta around how he plays as town. There's like a direct 1:1 between this post:

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On January 09 2016 23:38 nooniansoong wrote:

On January 09 2016 13:28 GiygaS wrote:

On January 09 2016 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On January 09 2016 13:21 GiygaS wrote:
Fixed formatting

On January 09 2016 13:20 GiygaS wrote:

On January 09 2016 10:34 Koshi wrote:

On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question?
It has nothing to do with it.

Cuz I looked at the op and saw that a named vt could mean the difference between a cop and a doc. So mafia would know if they would have to medic dodge.

But the op is for 9 players. didn't see.

This post is weird cause look at the setups, both on page 1 and on page 5 (the actual possibilities):
page 1:

A: 1 Cop, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
B: 1 JK, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
C: 1 Boxer, 6 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF
D: 1 One-shot Cop, 1 JK, 5 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF

No named vt here so it can't mean the difference between cop and doc. But he says the op is for 9 players and made a mistake. What?

page 5:

The game setup is one of the following four:

A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon
B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon

So I went through the possibilities where named vt is the difference between a cop and a doc. A is the only scenario where it shows up, and cop appears in it and doc doesn't. The only scenario where Doc shows up and cop doesn't is C, but this would mean that either he's mafia and the team setup is RB GF Goon, or he's vig. However, vig cant be his role, because there's no situation where cop and vig are in the same game.

I don't think you should think this is alignment indicative.
Koshi is most likely telling the truth about not reading the setup on p5 (game start) as if he was lying and covering up later he would have covered up properly (he also misread the OP rofl).

So the only conclusion is Koshi was being dumb, as either alignment.

Eh, I'll take it with a grain of salt but I'd be lying if I said it won't affect my view on him looking forward.

I like gigyas as town. Town read started here. This read here is nuanced when scums reads are more cut and dry.

and the last one i played with him

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 11 2016 07:23 GMT

#791

What reads are you talking about with slOosh?

boxerfred

Germany8360 Posts

January 11 2016 07:51 GMT

#792

gg, sorry for going down so easily. Not going to sign up for more games, I simply cannot find the time to properly play the game. Have fun and glhf for the rest of this game, D1 was a pleasure to at least read. Again, sorry for being a letdown for my team.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

January 11 2016 10:03 GMT

#793

I was wrong. You need to shoot scott.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

January 11 2016 10:04 GMT

#794

I also don't understand why nobody is talking about who to shoot. It is an extra fucking lynch god damnit!

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

January 11 2016 10:09 GMT

#795

My mafia team still consist of VA + scott.
I could see tubesock be mafia, but I can also see him be town. I'll reread him once more later.

All other people look very extremely town to me.

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 11 2016 12:08 GMT

#796

On January 11 2016 19:09 Koshi wrote:
My mafia team still consist of VA + scott.
I could see tubesock be mafia, but I can also see him be town. I'll reread him once more later.

All other people look very extremely town to me.

If your mafiateam consists of all lynchbait it's probably wrong

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

January 11 2016 12:10 GMT

#797

On January 11 2016 21:08 nooniansoong wrote:

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If your mafiateam consists of all lynchbait it's probably wrong

Doesn't make any sense.

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 11 2016 12:20 GMT

#798

On January 11 2016 21:10 Koshi wrote:

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Doesn't make any sense.

I'm pretty sure it does. Lynch bait looks Scummy even when they're not.

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 11 2016 12:25 GMT

#799

Well any team this early is likely to be wrong . I guess what I mean is whenever I've suspected a lynchbait in always paying too much attention to superficial sxumminess and missing some try hard scum

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 11 2016 12:26 GMT

#800

As rayns official butt busy do you think it's possible he's scum or should I not even bark up that tree