• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:15
CET 19:15
KST 03:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies1ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1571 users

[M][N] Unoriginal Name Mini Mafia - Page 4

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next All
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 22:55 GMT
#895
On January 12 2016 07:53 Koshi wrote:
Why is mderg town Eden?


On January 12 2016 07:54 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah nvm. I know why he is town. LoL


mderg is town boys.


On January 12 2016 07:54 Koshi wrote:
"likely town"


gr8 talk fam
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 22:58 GMT
#896
Remember fam... we can work backwards.

I'm dead = there is a medic.
I'm alive = there is no medic because we know I'm town.

[image loading]
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:03 GMT
#898
Wow awesome I don't even have to be paranoid anymore! Thanks mafia!

Mafia for sure don't have a medic and no one else died in the night. Seems to point to Setup A which means someone we suspect is probably a freeroll townie. God Bless America
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:05 GMT
#900
Omg we get a cop too? Christmas was over two weeks ago! What's going on here??
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:05 GMT
#901
On January 12 2016 08:05 GiygaS wrote:
Time to claim. I'm cop checked tube sock he was mafia. Now back to work!

I crossposted with this.

I also don't believe this for one second.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:11 GMT
#902
Some possibilities:

(1) Tubesock was framed. GiygaS is a real cop, but claimed immediately like a donkey.
This I believe highly. Also puts us in Setup A which is where I thought we might be based on nightkill.

(2) Tubesock is actually mafia. GiygaS is a real cop, but claimed immediately like a donkey.
I doubt this.

(3) GiygaS is fakeclaiming.
Seems very bold. I kinda doubt this with the mafia being down to two people. If there is a cop to counterclaim GiygaS then the mafia trades 1-for-1 at a very bad time for them to be doing so. If we're in Setup D and there is no cop or doctor, then GiygaS has to explain for the rest of his life why he didn't die that night when the mafia have no way to stop his scans except killing him.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:15 GMT
#906
On January 12 2016 08:14 GiygaS wrote:
Am I not supposed to immediately claim of I find red?

[image loading]
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:17 GMT
#908
On January 12 2016 08:16 Tubesock wrote:
It seems amazingly stupid to fakeclaim here. Town has too many mlynches available to make it worth a 1v1

Agree. I think you were framed and we are in Setup A.

Or you are good at the mafia. Either one. But I think it's A
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:20 GMT
#911
On January 12 2016 08:15 GiygaS wrote:
And why would mafia frame tube when most people said they thought he was town again.

He's a good target for a cop check because of all the controversy around him and the divergent opinions about him in the town. Controversial figure, likely check, makes him an easy choice to be framed.

Honestly don't even understand this question. What is the profile of a likely frame target in your eyes?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:20 GMT
#912
On January 12 2016 08:19 Tubesock wrote:
I'm not sure if that hurts me in my feeling or not.

Lol I didn't say you were bad. Just that you played pretty good if you are mafia.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:23 GMT
#914
On January 12 2016 08:18 GiygaS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 08:15 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 12 2016 08:14 GiygaS wrote:
Am I not supposed to immediately claim of I find red?

[image loading]

And this is where I learn I suck at this game even more than I thought

we've all done it my friend!

But yes in the future, please question your guilty check and extract more reads out of them first. It also gives people more time to say stuff about your check.

Think about it like this. Your role, when you hit a guilty, basically reads like this: "You may switch the lynch to a guaranteed mafia today, but the day will end immediately when you do so."

When would you do this? As late as possible in the day, to maximize the amount of discussion pre-flip, and thus find more data to detect the mafia.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:26 GMT
#921
On January 12 2016 08:22 Koshi wrote:
A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon
B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon

If there is a named vt, there is a framer, and we might not have mafia. But I never seen a framer not frame mafia.
If there is a doctor, we got mafia.

You think mafia wouldn't frame Tubesock there?

I agree that framing a mafia to be innocent is probably more optimal, but Tubesock seems like a pretty straightforward case to me for framing a townie guilty.




Related: If there's a doctor does he just claim sometime today? Without a roleblocker, even if doctor dies immediately, we get one more free scan. And as long as the doctor is someone that's not obvious town, the mafia is forced to shoot two more players that they normally would never shoot, which means two more days of working with a very limited pool of possible mafia.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:29 GMT
#925
Agreed that Named VT should be claiming today. We can help sort out setup today and get another freeroll townie check.

And yeah, normally mafia do frame themselves innocent, instead of trying to outguess the cop. I just think that this might be a situation where outguessing the cop is actually somewhat viable.

But mainly I just want to believe I was right about Tubesock. Lol
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:33 GMT
#931
Oh good point. Bummer.

I am VT
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:33 GMT
#933
On January 12 2016 08:32 Tubesock wrote:
When town has essentially 4 confirmed town, and unlynchable Eden, why wouldn't you frame me? It's not that ballsy. Especially since GF is still alive.

???
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 11 2016 23:39 GMT
#940
On January 12 2016 08:35 scott31337 wrote:
Nobody died? Nice

[image loading]
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 12 2016 00:15 GMT
#952
On January 12 2016 08:54 mderg wrote:
I think Eden claimed named vt but I'm not sure because his earlier posts suggest that he isn't

I claimed Vanilla Town
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 12 2016 01:44 GMT
#974
I dunno man, I'm probably way wrong but I feel like going deep on this Tubesock-got-Framed theory.

Especially now that we know there is no GF and Tubesock's comment wasn't a lucky slip.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 12 2016 02:50 GMT
#985
On January 12 2016 08:58 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 07:48 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 12 2016 07:22 darthfoley wrote:
On January 12 2016 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Updated thoughts from everybody's favorite townie.


I think Tubesock is town. I am not sure if GiygaS is town or mafia. Very willing to entertain that the argument was between two townies, am 100% sure it wasn't two mafia. If this isn't obvious to anyone at this point, I can elaborate, but I think Tubesock's posting throughout this phase speaks for itself. He had a mediocre/bad start, but that doesn't mean very much, and his recovery has me sold.


+ Show Spoiler [For Eden] +
Don't bother reading this, I was gonna do this but then I saw the stuff about darthfoley and found more interesting stuff to talk about. Typing all this with html tags was a bitch so I'm keeping this here for later.

Following from that, some vote count analysis. I'm filling in my reads as green and flipped boxerfred as red. I will keep my reads limited to the ones I think are uncontroversial so as to limit the number of leaps needed to accept my premises.



Vote Count (16.5 hours)

Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
Koshi (1): boxerfred
GiygaS (1): Tubesock


(9.5 hours)
Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
boxerfred (1): GGTeMpLaR
nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet


(1.5 hours)
Unofficial Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(1 hour)
Official Vote Count

Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(Final)
Final Vote Count

boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred



On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote:
Good morning

I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now.


On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh

##Vote: VayneAuthority


On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote:
I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town.

I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock.

##Unvote


darthfoley: What changed in between these posts for you? You retracted your vote on Tubesock about 6.5 hours before the lynch, saying that you were satisfied with Tubesock's defense of himself. You even felt that your argument on Vayne was better for the matter, since it didn't try to resolve a confusing situation between GiygaS and Tubesock.

But then just a few hours later, you say that because Vayne is "consistently not substantive as town" on D1, you're back to voting Tubesock? Even though you were satisfied with his defense?


What changed is that I went back and looked at Tubesock vs. GiygaS again. As GiygaS pointed out, Tubesock had basically only provided one read of substance (exluding posts like, "I like darth because his posts feel towny") the entire day: GiygaS. I also realized that his case of GiygaS regarding "our reads are the same but he says it's weird" is actually quite easily explained... because my original post that GiygaS quoted explained his reasoning in full.


So you reread Tubesock's posts, after your unvote, and found that Tubesock had only given one read all day?

That's odd. How much reading did you really do? Because before you even unvoted, Tubesock had plenty to say about other people in the game:

On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote:
On January 11 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote:
VA, Boxerfred, Sloosh need to be lynched if Tubesock isnt' happening.

Kush is a terrible lynch.
Giygas is just not mafia.

Tubesock is fucking hard to read.


I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though.

Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon.

I don't know how to help you with a meta read, but if you have some other questions I'm around because apparently I'm not sleeping for awhile.


On January 11 2016 01:56 darthfoley wrote:
Right now I'm most suspicious of GiygaS or VA for a red D1 lynch, but I'd also like to hear the case on boxerfred


I also question that you went back and reread the initial case Tubesock gave, as if you had, you would have noticed that GiygaS did not quote you in his original post. Tubesock filled in the posts from you to explain his case.

Would you care to resolve these discrepancies?


I said he only posted one read of substance. Regarding the reads you quoted, I explained at the time that it didn't make sense to consider Noon more towny than Rayne at that point in the game. I think being "onboard" for boxerfred or Kmatt is pretty safe at that point in the voting process, especially because at this time it was 4 to 3 for Tubesock vs. Boxerfred. Would've been tied 4/4 if he changed from GiygaS to Boxerfred. Boxerfred hadn't been very active and you would get lots of town cred if you supported a correct lynch day 1. I mean we've already confirmed town everyone who voted for Boxerfred, so losing an inactive mafia isn't the end of the world if it basically makes you an unlynchable for a while.

However, people then jumped off the Tubesock wagon and he didn't need to do this, while still getting towncred for being "okay" with a boxerfred lynch and consistency for sticking with GiygaS.

GiygaS didn't directly quote me, but he basically did "not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't"




That's great and all, but at the end of the day, you're not explaining why it is that Tubesock's posting, which was essentially unchanged between your unvote and your subsequent vote, no longer was townie enough for you. You've just gone in after being called on it and basically said some things that, if true, were already true of Tubesock before you unvoted.

Like if you felt his reads weren't substantive enough, that's fine, but you either decided that they were substantive enough when you unvoted him (as that was the reason you voted him initially), or you unvoted him despite them not being substantive enough. Either way there's a glaring discrepancy that your explanation fails to satisfy.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 12 2016 08:48 GMT
#999
Tubesock is basically only mafia with kush or somebody mindfucking us. TS has Scott as #2 lynch, darth as #1 lynch, has Vayne already committing to lynching him even though the possibility of a framer is being discussed.

Is the game that straightforward? Ray dies because he's onto kush who is the only mafia on the team that's not under heavy pressure?



Or... On the other hand.

Why did we successfully hit mafia scan with a framer in the game?

If Tubesock is town we discussed why mafia might go for the good and frame him guilty.
But if Tubesock is mafia. Why would you ever not frame him town?? Is he not an obvious copcheck regardless of alignment?

Again the only thing I can think of is that mafia went all-in to protect the third member who's less on the radar. They had framer and if Tubesock is mafia, they HAD to frame the other guy inno. Then they shot ray who could have been argued as scum over 3-4 confirmed town. Shot screams protection of the 3rd player.


I think the right play here is probably lynch Tube, if he flips mafia lynch kush. If he flips town lynch darth.



Weird thing though. I think darth is mafia with only Scott or kush as well. Darth and Tube are definitely not a scum team. Vayne's n1 push on darth is strange -- could be distancing but that's a very disproportionately large effort from Vayne just to do something that doesn't advance mafia agenda.

So basically I got:

Tubesock/kush
darthfoley/kush
darthfoley/Scott

kush/scott could also work IF neither Tube not darth are mafia. I really doubt they are both town though.

If Scott could just be obvtown we could solve this...
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
17:00
#35
RotterdaM825
TKL 379
IndyStarCraft 185
SteadfastSC144
BRAT_OK 92
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 825
TKL 379
mouzHeroMarine 310
IndyStarCraft 185
SteadfastSC 144
Liquid`VortiX 122
BRAT_OK 92
MaxPax 74
DivinesiaTV 27
trigger 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 725
Larva 516
Light 273
firebathero 122
Dewaltoss 110
910 30
Yoon 25
Dota 2
XcaliburYe1267
BananaSlamJamma192
Counter-Strike
adren_tv146
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor229
Other Games
Grubby6805
FrodaN1727
ceh9675
B2W.Neo582
Beastyqt474
Lowko269
ToD187
QueenE100
Mew2King80
Trikslyr45
C9.Mang023
RushiSC8
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 47
• StrangeGG 43
• Hinosc 5
• iHatsuTV 1
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 16
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1610
League of Legends
• Nemesis3466
• TFBlade922
Other Games
• imaqtpie475
• Shiphtur255
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.