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On January 10 2016 03:01 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 02:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I wasn't super impressed by what boxer had to say.
@sloOsh I would be most interested in your reads on darth, mderg, and boxer at this point.
Specifically mderg's read on darth. I like darth's posting thus far. He engages in topics that are relevant to the thread at the time and gives fleshed out explanations. I believe that mderg's read shows that he isn't reading the thread closely. Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 14:07 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.
darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not. Oh yea I just reread that, that was dumb of me. If he was, (or if he was at least reading darthfoley closely), he should have seen this post. Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter. Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. I would also suspect that he should also have been able to point out darthfoley's mistake in time order, as Koshi posted what he did before my spurt of posting, before I was an "active poster". Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances.
How does my read show that I'm not reading the thread closely? I quoted the post I supposedly missed like 5 minutes after my scumread on darthfoley, saying that it would have been a better quote than the one I had used.
Dunno about the mistake in time order, I never considered you to be inactive at any point in this game.
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On January 10 2016 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote:##Vote: GiygaSOn January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote:I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do ##Vote tubesockHis last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy) tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler [ Darthfoley's Tube Case] +On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.
Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong
GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.
the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.
I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread. This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum mderg: + Show Spoiler [ blah blah words] +says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again.
---- Line of scumminess --- kmatt: baby come back VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation ---- Line of towniness --- noonboxer koshiggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield. sloosh---- Line of more-towniness --- darth eden
raynThere's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now. My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction. The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes? GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!" Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing. GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them. GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe. If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters. Basically this post comes down to: - "My reads are essentially the same as GiygaS' yet he scumreads me for it." - Rest of the post is inventing a narrative and then finding reasons to fit it.
I think it's a good reason to scumread someone. Wouldn't you also ask for more reasoning on the townreads instead of scumreading Tubesock?
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On January 10 2016 21:10 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.
There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said. Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock? Do you agree with the quote above? Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well. The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it.
Was that quote really wrong?
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On January 10 2016 21:37 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 21:35 mderg wrote:On January 10 2016 21:10 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.
There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said. Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock? Do you agree with the quote above? Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well. The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it. Was that quote really wrong? It's wrong because when I die I'll flip green. But those are perfectly logical conclusions based on my 3 posts prior.
The quote doesn't say you're scum, though. It shows why people should/could have scumread you.
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On January 10 2016 21:42 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 21:40 mderg wrote:On January 10 2016 21:37 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 21:35 mderg wrote:On January 10 2016 21:10 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.
There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said. Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock? Do you agree with the quote above? Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well. The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it. Was that quote really wrong? It's wrong because when I die I'll flip green. But those are perfectly logical conclusions based on my 3 posts prior. The quote doesn't say you're scum, though. It shows why people should/could have scumread you. Ok. So semantics then. What is your question?
Was that quote really wrong?
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Let's take the way I saw the quote. Then, was that quote right or wrong?
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On January 10 2016 22:13 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 22:01 mderg wrote:
Let's take the way I saw the quote. Then, was that quote right or wrong? Uh It would be a pretty logical case. And I don't fault anyone for casing me on those points. Hell, if GiygaS did I wouldn't have anything to argue with at all. So, sure it could be right. Now what?
Ok, I'm satisfied with that.
That part played a big role in me believing your case on Giygas to be genuine. So your initial response saying the quote was wrong made me reconsider my stance on you.
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On January 11 2016 04:30 Koshi wrote:
It's ok. I know you are town.
Is that a scumclaim? 
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The more I think about Tube's case the less I like the GiygaS lynch...
##unvote
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On January 11 2016 05:30 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 05:28 slOosh wrote:
Yea I definitely don't think we should be lynching either GiygaS or Tubesock today. There's enough good things from each player but nothing so bad that you could lynch them with that much confidence (there might be and if you see something please share with the rest of class). It could easily be town vs town. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. HE CALLED HIMSELF SCUMMY HOW DO YOU NOT LYNCH THAT
That's like one of the last reasons I'd lynch anybody for
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Seriously, I'm fucking lost this game.
voting boxerfred because the only thing he's done is scumreading Koshi for things that aren't scummy.
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On January 11 2016 06:02 GiygaS wrote:
The point that tubesock is self-aware is an understatement. The only real analysis he's done all game has been on himself and me purely based on my read of him.
That's true. The real question is: does that make him scum?
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On January 11 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 06:01 slOosh wrote:
Did you not like Eden's approach to Tubesock / GiygaS? Or is the paranoia about something else? No. I didn't like his conversation with Giygas. I liked everything before that though. But my read on Eden isn't anything serious. Just disappointment maybe.
What was it that you didn't like in that conversation?
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On January 11 2016 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And yes slOosh, it is a fact that it is impossible for a townie to say scummy things.
If you are not purposefully throwing the game then every single thing you say has a townie agenda that you can explain. It must have, there is no other option. Telling people why they should reasonably scumread you is not an explanation -- because you already claim you are doing something that is not townie. It's really simple. Townies do townie things. Townies never do scummy things. Townies don't say the things they do are a reason to scumread them, they EXPLAIN why the things they do are townie.
I respectfully disagree with you on this.
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On January 11 2016 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:It's all about the mindset. I guess you guys don't get it. 
Please explain so that I get it
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On January 11 2016 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 06:31 mderg wrote:On January 11 2016 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:It's all about the mindset. I guess you guys don't get it. Please explain so that I get it Normally people react to the accusations on them the following way: "why the fuck does this guy call me scum? i am town and i am clearly trying to help the town." or even if they are more "sensitive" in a way they produce their posts it's something along the lines of; "okay so i can get why this guy calls me scum. i am not scum though, so i will try to make my best to explain why i said what he scumreads me for". The way Tubesock does it is completely different. First of all he is using his "scummy" (which isn't scummy for him after all?) behavior to promote his case on GiygaS in a shitty way, like "this is not a reason to call me scum -- this would be understandable". It is hard to explain, the last time this happened many people didn't ever get that... It's like, he is downplaying himself to saying "yes i was playing bad" but at the same time saying he wasn't really playing bad. Fuck.. idk how to explain it. What would your reaction be if i called you scum for any post of yours? (not to even mention Tubesock kinda covered all his filter at that point -- and said HIMSELF he was playing non-optimally).
I feel like I've done the "this is not a reason to call me scum -- this would be understandable" myself as town.
I'm simply not sold on the idea that townies don't admit to having played badly or looked scummy.
Funnily enough my reaction would range from something like "fuck you, you're scum" to almost ignoring it
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On January 11 2016 07:19 Koshi wrote:
I guess Eden might be mafia after all. Let me reread his filter.
On January 11 2016 06:06 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:On January 11 2016 06:01 slOosh wrote:
Did you not like Eden's approach to Tubesock / GiygaS? Or is the paranoia about something else? No. I didn't like his conversation with Giygas. I liked everything before that though. But my read on Eden isn't anything serious. Just disappointment maybe. What was it that you didn't like in that conversation?
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On January 10 2016 16:42 Eden1892 wrote:
I understand the point you're making.
I still have a distinctly separate, stronger, desire to kill you, in no small part for the behavior you ascribed to yourself.
Perhaps you're missing my point. Your argument about GiygaS is reasonable. To this outside observer who already believes he's town and you're scum, it's not compelling enough. Why should I switch my vote?
Are you talking about this post, koshi?
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On January 11 2016 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 07:32 Koshi wrote:
Yeah kush is playing exactly the same as last towngame. no
He's at least playing pretty similar to his last towngame
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