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On December 29 2015 05:51 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 05:35 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 05:26 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:16 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 05:15 Vivax wrote:
Cool post there Shining, I'm unscumreading you for the moment I was feeling the opposite. Please explain. Can you explain what you don't like about it? What are your thoughts on them then? They've both had eachother as scum pretty early this phase, to the point where Vivax had to claim(or fakeclaim?) to deflect and HF is still taunting to get Vivax lynched. The only other option would be a double bus and I think that's not impossible, but unlikely at this point. I said i was "feeling" the opposite. Meaning feels not logic was behind me not liking the post. I'll try though. Nothing strikes me as townie about your post. You come to the thread and you poll everyone on their opinion on something that is currently IMO irrelevant. It strikes me as scum trying to come up with suitable activity rather than a townie trying to find scum. Because from what I see, HF vs Vivax has come up multiple times during this day phase and it was relevant before Vivax pulled his claim/unclaim thing. And was still being talked about. Having everyone take a stance would allow the thread to finally move on from it instead of it shitting up the thread forever and ever until one or both are lynched/shot/w.e. And since it seems like it's pretty quiet 2 hours before the lynch, and TT has a decent lead in votes, why not talk about other interactions? And you've expressed not wanting to lynch TT and just called the case on him shite. So what makes TT town? And yes, you're not wrong, which is why I said it gave me pause. Because imo they both can't be scum. But neither one is here for me to hash out my reads on them so what else can I do? Read the case on TT(I don't remember seeing on on Ness) and deciding whether it's accurate or not. Like, I see scummy things from both of them. But one being willing to lynch the other means that they're probably not scum together. If you're against the TT lynch, why aren't you finding scum anywhere else? You're voting Slam, by yourself. Because of this: Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 00:46 nooniansoong wrote:
My vote on palmar is definitely bad now that he has showed up, but I don't know who to change it to yet.
Alaka for now. Do you have a read on Vivax? An opinion on the claim/unclaim? I couldn't find anything in your filter about it since. Did you get your answers from HF regarding the inconsistencies about his read on you and TT? Or are you content to waste a vote, continue saying you're against the TT lynch and do nothing about it so you can say I told you so if he flips town?
vivax - town
hf - town
That is my opinion. What's yours? Disregarding any meta you you dont know.
Regarding wasting my vote... I voted for someone who gives me scumfeels. I'm not gonna lead a wagon on someone other than tt. I don't have the effort or the reputation to do that. So what should I do with my vote? Vote for tt even though I think he's probably town.
TT and Ness are you strongest scumreads. Am i understanding that correctly?
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On December 29 2015 05:58 Tictock wrote:
Ah, I see you all want to lynch me.
I should care, but I don't.
I expect lots of rage from people when I flip.
I still won't care.
What rage from your flip?
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Vote Count - Day 1
Tictock (10): raynpelikoneet, ObiWanShinobi, Artanis[Xp], GlowingBear, ExO_, ritoky, Palmar, Koshi, Holyflare, Artanis[Xp], Damdred, ExO_, Vivax, rsoultin, GlowingBear
Vivax (3): Holyflare, ritoky, Ness, Koshi, Artanis[Xp], GlowingBear, Koshi, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet
nooniansong (2): raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Trfel
ExO_ (2): Coagulation, MoosyDoosy
N e s s (1): GlowingBear, Tictock
sicklucker (1): Onegu
Trfel (1): boxerfred
Alakaslam (1): nooniansoong
GlowingBear (1): Holyflare
Holyflare (0): GlowingBear, ExO_, Vivax
The Shining (0): Vivax
boxerfred (0): Vivax, ExO_
ObiWanShinobi (0): Artanis[Xp]
Palmar (0): nooniansong
Artanis[Xp] (0): Trfel, Koshi
rsoultin (0) Onegu
ExO_ (0): Artanis[Xp], Trfel, Koshi
MoosyDoosy (0): Artanis[Xp]
Koshi (0): Onegu
Coagulation (0): sicklucker, ExO_
Not Voting (3): Rels, Waylanner, The Shining
At this time, Tictock is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on Monday, Dec 28 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
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On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then.
Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him?
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On December 28 2015 23:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 15:59 Tictock wrote:On December 28 2015 00:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 28 2015 00:08 sicklucker wrote:On December 28 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker do you have any real reason to not lynch Vivax? Ill know his alignment 99% of the time by day 3. Here if we lynch him its a stupid gamble. Like hes just such a godamn easy read and people keep lynching him and its pissing me off. Literraly my last game I said lets not lynch fucking vivax day one and then town went and did it. DONT FUCKING DO IT AGAIN ITS VERY BAD SOOOO BAD We're not going to save people based on the fact that you can read them several days from now. I like Obi a little this game... I guess. Any particular reason why? I'm not sure this quote means much and I'm pretty vain about stuff like that.
I agreed with your post there.
That's about it.
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On December 29 2015 06:00 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 05:51 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:35 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 05:26 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:16 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 05:15 Vivax wrote:
Cool post there Shining, I'm unscumreading you for the moment I was feeling the opposite. Please explain. Can you explain what you don't like about it? What are your thoughts on them then? They've both had eachother as scum pretty early this phase, to the point where Vivax had to claim(or fakeclaim?) to deflect and HF is still taunting to get Vivax lynched. The only other option would be a double bus and I think that's not impossible, but unlikely at this point. I said i was "feeling" the opposite. Meaning feels not logic was behind me not liking the post. I'll try though. Nothing strikes me as townie about your post. You come to the thread and you poll everyone on their opinion on something that is currently IMO irrelevant. It strikes me as scum trying to come up with suitable activity rather than a townie trying to find scum. Because from what I see, HF vs Vivax has come up multiple times during this day phase and it was relevant before Vivax pulled his claim/unclaim thing. And was still being talked about. Having everyone take a stance would allow the thread to finally move on from it instead of it shitting up the thread forever and ever until one or both are lynched/shot/w.e. And since it seems like it's pretty quiet 2 hours before the lynch, and TT has a decent lead in votes, why not talk about other interactions? And you've expressed not wanting to lynch TT and just called the case on him shite. So what makes TT town? And yes, you're not wrong, which is why I said it gave me pause. Because imo they both can't be scum. But neither one is here for me to hash out my reads on them so what else can I do? Read the case on TT(I don't remember seeing on on Ness) and deciding whether it's accurate or not. Like, I see scummy things from both of them. But one being willing to lynch the other means that they're probably not scum together. If you're against the TT lynch, why aren't you finding scum anywhere else? You're voting Slam, by yourself. Because of this: On December 29 2015 00:46 nooniansoong wrote:
My vote on palmar is definitely bad now that he has showed up, but I don't know who to change it to yet.
Alaka for now. Do you have a read on Vivax? An opinion on the claim/unclaim? I couldn't find anything in your filter about it since. Did you get your answers from HF regarding the inconsistencies about his read on you and TT? Or are you content to waste a vote, continue saying you're against the TT lynch and do nothing about it so you can say I told you so if he flips town? vivax - town hf - town That is my opinion. What's yours? Disregarding any meta you you dont know. Regarding wasting my vote... I voted for someone who gives me scumfeels. I'm not gonna lead a wagon on someone other than tt. I don't have the effort or the reputation to do that. So what should I do with my vote? Vote for tt even though I think he's probably town. TT and Ness are you strongest scumreads. Am i understanding that correctly?
Same as you. Vivax/HF are both town, which is why I explained when I first asked that most of the time, in that situation, the long 1v1s read as town v town to me, especially when people don't jump on one side and try to hammer the other. From what I gather, most have both at town, except for ExO and GB thinking HF is scum and rayn thinking Vivax is scum(or bad, I'm going off the vote).
Why does slam give you scum feels? Was there something I missed besides that "slam for now" post? And no, obviously if you don't think TT is scum, don't vote him. But all I got from you is "scumfeels from Slam" but idk why. And no real effort to save a TR of yours. So I don't understand why Vivax thinks you're town.
No. Ness is my strongest scumread, TT slightly behind him. Ness not coming back to thread and fucking off after building up a decent sized filter but not doing much and martyring looks bad. And I agreed with TT on Ness throwing out questions but doing nothing with the responses, which is why I paused, because that means I'm either scumsiding or TT is town because we saw the same thing. But that was his only reason for scumming Ness. He didn't explain what else made Ness scummy, even though he quoted 3 posts.
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On December 29 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then. Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him?
Yes
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On December 29 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then. Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him? Yes
So HF is scum, no matter what? Or does TT flipping town make you think HF is town? Regardless, you're going to vote TT to find out, which feels like really bad unflipped association to vote off of. =/
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On December 28 2015 23:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 23:56 Vivax wrote:On December 28 2015 23:31 Holyflare wrote:
I think we just lynch the people that blindly didn't want to lynch vivax a while ago, that is guaranteed mafia. As for names I'll find them. That would make them mafia why? Are you going to lynch anyone who wasnt your bitch? Eradicate some intelligence from this game? Well if perchance you are town then the people that aren't following a good case of vivax does shit all as mafia early in the game and we should pressure him generally have TMI and are mafia themselves, there is 0 reason to not form a wagon on you to make you do stuff unless they are scared to look out of place and are mafia.
This doesn't really track at all, there is also 0 reason why Mafia wouldn't jump on an easy wagon with solid reasons. Especially when you said you'd give free townreads for voting with you.
People not voting Vivax being mafia is most likely if Vivax is mafia, not if he is town.
Though tbh this is not a solid metric either way, so the fact you keep talking in absolutes about it is kinda odd HF.
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On December 29 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then. Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him? Yes So HF is scum, no matter what? Or does TT flipping town make you think HF is town? Regardless, you're going to vote TT to find out, which feels like really bad unflipped association to vote off of. =/
I have a scum read on Tictock for a long time. Lynching him might prove I'm right on Holyflare. If he flips town then it means I could be wrong. Still, I think I'm not wrong and both will flip mafia
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Ok I'm about 20 pages behind.
I'm kinda trying to get caught up but idk if I will get it done in time, kus screw spending 2 hours of my day on this trying to defend myself like I've had to do last 2 games (as both alignments btw).
Least my theory that I don't get townreads unless I shit out effort is being proven.
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On December 29 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then. Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him? Yes
That is bad logic.
That logic actually means if TT is town, HF cannot be scum.
Not that I agree with the premises.
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Or I'm just town regardless of what TT flips and you're just being bad 
On December 29 2015 06:23 Tictock wrote:
Ok I'm about 20 pages behind.
I'm kinda trying to get caught up but idk if I will get it done in time, kus screw spending 2 hours of my day on this trying to defend myself like I've had to do last 2 games (as both alignments btw).
Least my theory that I don't get townreads unless I shit out effort is being proven.
shocker that putting in no effort garners no town reads
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I'm back until deadline.
Catching up.
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Also gonna have to surprisingly agree with Kush that I don't like Shining's posts because they are rehashing an argument between me and Vivax that simply just doesn't exist. If I still thought Vivax was mafia then I would be voting for him but I don't so I'm not. Which leads the the point that it's a pointless post because:
A) Vivax already claimed JK so why would people have opinions other than his claim?
B) A lot of people already expressed views on me during the GB interaction and around the thread just generally.
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On December 29 2015 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
Also gonna have to surprisingly agree with Kush that I don't like Shining's posts because they are rehashing an argument between me and Vivax that simply just doesn't exist. If I still thought Vivax was mafia then I would be voting for him but I don't so I'm not. Which leads the the point that it's a pointless post because:
A) Vivax already claimed JK so why would people have opinions other than his claim?
B) A lot of people already expressed views on me during the GB interaction and around the thread just generally.
So you're telling me right around the time I got back to the thread, you didn't literally ask Vivax if he wanted you to lynch him? Which means your spat back and forth was still going right around the time I got back. So I wanted people to take a definite side or if most were like me, under the impression you're both town, to just move the fck on. But ok.
And yes, I guess I should've explained that more clearly. I was asking who didn't believe/had an opinion on Vivax's claim/unclaim because it only happened a few hours ago and out of the active posters, I can only remember you, rayn, Damdred and now kush opining on it. Then we have Trfel and TT and Obi still catching up.
I also didn't ask you what you thought of eachother. I asked what everyone else thought of you two, post claim/unclaim.
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On December 29 2015 06:26 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then. Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him? Yes That is bad logic. That logic actually means if TT is town, HF cannot be scum. Not that I agree with the premises.
Yes, this is what I was getting at.
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yo I'm home (= read the thread until page 70 in the train, will catch up the rest now
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Which if you think both me and Vivax are town seems to be a waste of time, no?
Same as you. Vivax/HF are both town,
That quote towards Vivax was also sarcastic because he's trying to bait a reaction out of me clearly.
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22 pages to read not bad. I like that its ticktock over vivax hum meh
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