EPTFucking great job whoever turned the wagon off TT
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Fucking great job whoever turned the wagon off TT | ||
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TT is talking so much now but I still tend to think he's scum. I think some of the people who switched off of TT are scum (Palmar is pretty glaring). And though I'm sure it'll change and he'll squirm and scream I think I'm going to tunnel Palmar. And if somehow it becomes obvious that Vivax isn't JK, should lynch him too, imo. | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote: Outside of palmar who else do you think is most likely scum flipper? Without looking at it too closely, Damdred's flip seems suspect to me. I don't really like your flip either. I need to go re-read what happened before I took a nap (that turned into like 4 hours of sleep lol) and see exactly how this went down. And where the fuck is coag? For being basically confirmed masons, coag is being complete trash, and I'm not too happy with rsoultin either. I really hope a pair of masons CC them. But its irrationally stupid for both of them to be scum and claiming mason early, which mean coag just isn't giving a damn :/ | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:41 ritoky wrote: well and TT did this last game where some1 made a case on him, he had lynch pressure, then he spammed a bunch of posts for some TRs, then fucked off. spoiler: he was mafia in that game. i really wanna vote vivax with rayn tho, but i pretty much agree with HF that i think he is just JK doing some dumb shit. this is exactly what just happened. You called it, and yet you still switched. (I'm currently on page 93, but if you switched after saying this there better be a damn good explanation) | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:26 Tictock wrote: This has happened D1 in the last 3 games I played. Huanted Mansion - I was Town Nutcraker - I was Mafia And now here. Though I'm amazed that Rels actually got lynched over me. It's funny you said "swapped in a couple hours" in an earlier post kus it was more a matter of minuets that it all went down. yes it was. I went to sleep about 2 hours before EoD, which is why I said a couple of hours. This whole thing went down so suddenly. So I'll walk you through where I'm at right now: Palmar just switched out of the blue. No explanation. I want one. Koshi's vote change seems suspect to me as well. I don't see why he did it. Damdred's vote change is shitty, but at least he was talking about rel prior to the last second vote swapping Ritoky literally calls that if TT is scum he'll come in and talk at the last second and get it switched to someone else. Then helps this precise thing to happen. What the fuck. I could keep going but basically everyone flip flopped without explaining why. I get that it was last second but it seems fucked up. Damdred is the only person that I see that showed interest in rels before hand. So what I'm sitting here trying to figure out, is what motivation does mafia team have to make all of these vote shenanigans happen if TT isn't scum? I can't come up with anything that is super reasonable. If TT is mafia, then I can understand the last second vote switching (giving very little time for reaction/discussion.) I think it's possible mafia saw damdred and somebody else say rels and ran a gamble to pull votes off TT. But it all hinges on TT being mafia. If he isn't then I'm at a bit of a loss. I think TT should be our next lynch (at least for now) because if he is mafia it'll really help to clear things up, and if he isn't mafia it'll at least provide more information to work with. The other thing I'm really struggling with, is HF jumping onto the TT wagon at the end. Is he scum trying to earn a bit of town cred by saying he tried to save the mislynch, or is he town actually trying to prevent a last second vote swap off a target that he himself didn't think was worth voting for. idk, was such a stupid vote switch and it's messing with my ability to think it through :/ | ||
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the stupid vote switch I'm referring to is the mass vote switch to rels. As much as I dislike HF I'd hate for him to assume I'm antagonizing him over this specifically, at least not yet. | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:56 Palmar wrote: Exo, it's always in mafia's favour to have chaos. I know this sounds hypocritical, but it's usually great for mafia to have town do these last minute shenanigan switches because it reduces reasoning and discussion to something very low level (my own reasoning being an example, I literally voted someone for having a less than 2 page filter). So even if TT is town, this was good for mafia, especially if in the process people who aren't mafia (me, for example) are being implicated. so why did you switch then? You didn't even post in the main thread that you were switching | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:56 Palmar wrote: Exo, it's always in mafia's favour to have chaos. I know this sounds hypocritical, but it's usually great for mafia to have town do these last minute shenanigan switches because it reduces reasoning and discussion to something very low level (my own reasoning being an example, I literally voted someone for having a less than 2 page filter). So even if TT is town, this was good for mafia, especially if in the process people who aren't mafia (me, for example) are being implicated. and continuing on this line of thought, if it is in mafia's favor am I supposed to believe that 9 townies switched their votes at the last second? I don't think I do | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:44 Palmar wrote: On phone don't think I'll be at a computer before deadline. Very willing to shennie onto gb or kush that's about it. No mention of rels or anything else. | ||
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"I'm right and if you don't agree you're stupid".....well fucking great! It's not making anything you say more plausible to me. | ||
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I'm gonna keep reading, but I can't see how we don't lynch Palmar today. Maybe TT, but I think palmar is the better choice. Either way, I think both are scum | ||
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therefore either Vivax is scum, they believe rayn was more a threat as town/wouldn't actually tunnel Vivax, or scum wants us to think that Vivax is scum and therefore they killed rayn. Should watch Vivax closely. I've found him really hard to understand this game. | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote: exo are you caught up fully with the thread? For the most part. If I understand correctly: Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum. Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him. I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well. | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:16 ritoky wrote: Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable? Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by. If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk. | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:19 ritoky wrote: also by "one of our gunsmiths" you mean me. you make the guns, or have one? | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:32 ritoky wrote: I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies. Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened. Sure, but I was pretty much under the impression TT was a lock yesterday. I find it hard to imagine shenanigans happening again, as well, but I'd rather reduce the risk. I'm 99% on both TT and Palmar and would be okay with a lynch on either of them. I feel like Palmar lynch and shooting TT is safer, but I'm fine with it the other way. And I feel like in every TL mafia game I play, the logic by the end of a 48 hours period changes quite a bit. People can't stand sitting on the same target all day. I'm incredibly worried somebody is going to out-think themselves and we switch targets to another stupid target :/ | ||
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On December 30 2015 23:19 nooniansoong wrote: Why would you prefer a Palmar lynch to a lynch on certain scum? Is it not certain to you? Also why would Palmar not survive until d3? "Somehow" implies he will probably be dead by then. b/c if we're not lynching him he should be shot? somehow implying that our shooters were RBed or something | ||
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